Veggie Relapse

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I've been a vegetarian for around 6 years. In the past year or two I started bringing fish back into my diet. Just occaisionally and mainly b/c I couldn't resist sushi. In the las couple of months I have eaten *shock horror* Whataburgers. I can't help but feel Paul McCartney is eternally dissappointed and ashamed. But the burgers taste so good. . .

Has anyone else who forsaked dead animal flesh slidback and if so how did you deal with it?

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It doesn't bother you a lot that you're eating meat again? Your vegetarianism must not have been all that important to you, then.

Besides, there's imitation sushi that's fantastic.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it doesn't count as a genuine relapse samantha unless it's LIVE animal flesh

mark s, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, thanks Mark, that's clarifying. I went veggie for a variety of reasons: health, social, moral; but was never fanatical about it. I figure it's a personal thing. You're right though, if it was a huge deal to me I wouldn't be tempted to go back. I do think there are many more good reasons to not eat meat than to eat it but what can I say? The flesh is weak.

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Flesh is good if it's cooked right.

Smarmus alarmus, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have my own thoughts about your flesh, Smarmy, but I'll spare everyone else.

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I learned from my brother the news that top comics writer Grant Morrison apparently went back to eating meat again after years of being really hardline pro-veggie, and apparently is taking the "So what? Fuck off" line to his disenchanted fans.

We've covered this on another thread though - if you want to test whether you are a veggie or not then for heavens sake dont start with burgers.

Tom, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Why b/c burgers doom you to veggie failure or b/c they're a crappy food in general?

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have been veggie twice in my life. Once for health reasons , the next time to win a girl's heart. BOTH times I was won back to meat by MCDONALDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess I can't live without Mcdonalds. How depressing

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually in your case burgers were enuff but I think the idea was that someone said 'Ah yes I am a veggie and I decided to see if I missed meat by going to McDonalds' and it was suggested that this was pretty much a no-lose argument for a veggie but as Mike has just proved that is not the case, so my argument crumbles into sand once again.

Tom, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I slid back about a week after I decided to be vegetarian. (how soon!) It was chicken noodle soup and i was very hungry. Same happened a month later for baked beans that had been baked with pork. Other than that I've been good. Burgers have not been tempting at all, though. I like fake ones better.

Mara, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You can get some of yr meat fix through McDonald's French fries, believe it or not.

Andy, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Curious. How many of you ex-vegetarians tried to give up meat cold turkey? (Pun fully intended)

Giving up meat all at once is a bad way to become a vegetarian. You'd want to give up one type of meat at a time. Pork is usually the easiest to give up first... Once you start getting sick of red meat, and then chicken, and then fish, it's easy to eventually become a vegetarian and stay a vegetarian.

Then again, vegetarian are wimps compared to vegans -- or better yet, compared to people with bad food allergies. Casually eating out becomes a task -- and that's always a sad thing.

(Vegetarian for 8 years, and have less desire to go back to meat than ever before..)

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I learned from my brother the news that top comics writer Grant Morrison apparently went back to eating meat again after years of being really hardline pro-veggie, and apparently is taking the "So what? Fuck off" line to his disenchanted fans."

that's really...depressing. if it's indeed true. not only because it renders his entire run on animal man completely...hypocritical seems strong, but...(it makes me seem like a crass fan circa 79)...yer greatest work = based on hardline ideology = you better walk it like you talk it? i smell another thread coming on... (it smells like couscous, not meat, in case you were wondering...) ;)

jess, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Geez Brian, I only wish I was as hard as you. I went off in this order: pork, beef, poultry, fish. Six years isn't too bad. I don't know why I'm having a problem now. I guess as I've gotten older I've put my efforts behind other personal values and have found it hard to resist food I once loved. *sigh*

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I'm a level 5 vegan... I don't eat anything that casts a shadow."

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was never much of a meat-eater to begin with, so it wasn't exactly hard to kick meat cold tofurky. I just kinda decided one day to give vegetarianism a shot and it's worked out fine -- almost three years thus far and I have absolutely no intention of eating meat again. The only reason I ate meat before was merely because it was 'there' in the house to be eaten. It doesn't hurt that my wife has been vegetarian for over a decade and knows her shit; it also doesn't hurt that there are several restaurants to keep us more than happy. Personally it's been a great health move.

Andy, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm omnivorous, for better or worse. I don't *need* meat in a meal, for instance. But alternately I never mind it either. And certainly Brian introduced me to many Good Places around here, so yay. :-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Samantha: I think I came off in my last message sounding like a dick... and I apologize. Just that a few past friends of mine that went veggie/vegan ended up giving me crap for not being hardline enough, and now they're meat eaters again. I guess there was some residual smugness left in me. Again, sorry.

ASS, U, ME, etc.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I never could convince my self it was WRONG to eat meat, because so many animals do it in nature.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whenever I tell people I am am on-off Vegan they assume I am a punk.

What's the dilly with that?

Mandee, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe you should say you're an off-on punk and they'll assume you're a vegan.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i tried so hard, but salami and bacon just taste soooo fucking good.

Geoff, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pork is usually the easiest to give up first...

But no pork means no bacon or sausages, the two tastiest forms of mammalian flesh known to humanity.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I went veggie for three months and was BETRAYED BY MY OWN MOTHER. She bought some really excellent pastrami, like one whole pound, and placed it in its posh white wrapper in a key display point in our fridge next to loaf of black/pumpernickel bread and nice mustard. And then waited. After a few days of midnight snacking I was apprehended by my mum, who is STILL smug about this.

suzy, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I went veggie for two weeks and then was betrayed by a combination of it being the morning, my brane not working, easy suggestibility and a concerned flatmate.

Whilst going through my usual morning routine, moaning, weeping, gnashing of teeth that sorta thing, I decided I'd try and improve this morning by having cereal. My wee heart leapt as I padded down the stairs in anticipation of my (probably someone elses actually) Crunchy Nut Whole Wheat Shreddies Krispies or whatever they were, with NICE COLD MILK. Open fridge. NO MILK! Arrrghh! Flatmate asks me why I am very sad. I weep bitter tears of lack of breakfast, go back upstairs and console myself with the saved calories. BUT THEY MEAN SO LITTLE COMPARED TO BREAKFAST CRAVING.

When I come back downstairs, I find flatmate has abandoned kitchen but left out some ham and some bread with instructions to "have a ham sammiche". The glee that strikes me! I make one vvvv quickly. I nosh on the way to the tube, and as you do, think about what you will have for lunch.

"Mmm this sammiche is yummy", I think.

"Shame I cannot have one at lunchtime because I am off... meat..."

.....

(oops)

However, I have learnt that I like the Burger King Spicy Beanburger. Giving up meat for that amount of time wasn't really hard - I can't say I missed it so much. But I rarely buy meat to cook myself anyway - I guess it would be EATING OUT that cause the problem.

Sarah, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It depends why you don't eat meat, whether it's bad or not. I'm vegetarian because I just don't like the taste of meat, so it's no big loss in any way.

Paul Strange, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I went all at once, overnight, after years of taking the piss out of my sister for being veggie. Now she guzzles steak and I'm pretty hard line about it if pushed.

Not sure how I would slip back, though free vouchers for Rick Stein's restaurant in Padstow would fuck me up.

chris, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well... I wanted to know if giving up meat would have any effect on me and I would become as thin as a stick and then boys would fancy me - alternately I could have a career as a twig.

It didn't. But then again, it only lasted two weeks. Dammit.

Sarah, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One reason why I don't want a solely vegetarian diet is because I REALLY don't want to live a life where eating a type of food I enjoy is considered "cheating". On the other hand, it seems to be cheaper to make vegetarian meals, and right now I'm all about that. So far, the big compromise has been to cook a huge meal at the beginning of the weekend and eat the leftovers from it for the rest of the week.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm a pretty strict vegan (ie. am usually tempted off the straight and narrow by ALCOHOL that may not be vegan) and the only thing i miss is cheese. i have no desire whatsoever to consume meat, eggs or milk. the combined health, social, ethical and spiritual aspects to my veganism make it pretty certain that i won't ever go back to eating meat, but who knows?

katie, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

am usually tempted off the straight and narrow by ALCOHOL that may not be vegan

This might be a stupid question, but how would alcohol not be vegan?

Nicole, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

fining agents for wine and beer may be made of various gelatines or eggshells - it's not an ingredient as such but is used in the process of making it. there was a scare a few months ago that BSE-infected blood may have found its way into several red wines...

katie, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And Guinness has fish in it.

Nick, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Swim bladders to be precise. The isinglass used to fine the vast majority of ales is made from fish swim bladders. There are alternatives but they are seldom used. Ale brewers who don't use isinglass include Sam Smiths, Fullers, Badger and Charles Wells, all of whom make damn good beer.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sam smiths beer = CLASSIC

i really should be more careful about drinking vegan wine though. it makes me feel kind of crap that my alcoholic tendencies overrule my ethical ones...

katie, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I had no idea that some alcohol contains animal parts. not cool. detest pork so that's no problem. chicken's pretty gross too. I only like beef in hamburgers. Hmm, so maybe only hamburgers are the problem. If fast food places in the US had veggie burgers even this probably wouldn't be such a problem. I just need to slow down and eat less fast food.

Samantha, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sam Smiths beer contains all major food groups.

Tom, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like to put pork on my nips

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It doesn't matter if you meant children or nipples, Mike; you have disturbed all shades of HOLY FUCK out of me.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i was veggie for about 4 years or so, started off to impress a girl (which failed), then kind of continued through student days due to impoverishment. however i was tempted back not by prime steak or fine leg of lamb, but by chinese spare ribs, sweet and sour pork and DONER KEBABS of all things, good grief. now i cook with meat loads, i think mainly due to mrs carsmile's influence. last nite we had sossies and mash and stuck the sossies in the mash like in the beano :)

carsmilesteve, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't Doner Kebab trucks have veggie burgers too? At least this is what I remember. . .

Samantha, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Please explain on-off vegans and their relation to being a punk.

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