So, the wildcats strikes being over, my Big Box Of Spivey Goodness arrived yesterday. Conveniently while I was home sick in bed.
I've watched Disc One of "Kings & Queens" and so far, it's entertaining and engaging (and reasonably accurate, so I don't know what the Richard III Anti-Defamation League was so up in arms about) but, you know, like so many TV History programmes, it's a bit superficial, and doesn't really tell me much more than 2 years of English History at boarding school did. I'm always amused by silly historical reenactments, and well, Nigel Spivey wandering around battlefields with his fringe flopping in the breeze, firing longbows and stuff - K-ROWR!!!
Also got his big book of art history. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, I can't decide yet) it does read a bit like a textbook, albeit a rather chatty and colloquial textbook. I think his style irritates me, in that it is rather intellectual and abstract ideas presented in a non-intellelectual style. Lots of sentance fragments! ...to tell you his deepest thoughts. I just think to myself "Surely an Oxbridge educated professor should have a better grasp of grammar."
I'm still waiting to see what conclusions he draws. So far it has been a history of the depiction of "suffering" within art (lots of gratuitous sculptures and paintings of St. Sebastian - wonderful!) cleverly disguised as an art history textbook. (Or maybe the other way around.) I'm suspicious of any history textbook that starts with the Holocaust, but I'm waiting to see how he resolves this.
Anyway... This isn't a question. This is a thread for my random thoughts and outbursts of lust to keep them off other threads.
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)
Disc One did William the Conquerer up to Henry VIII. It skipped a lot of rulers, and I'm disapointed at the lack of Saxons. I mean, Alfred! Ethelread the Unready! Come on! And then he talked about Edward I, like there had never been an Edward before him - and Edward the Confessor rolling in his Saxon grave. Humph!
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)
And wonder out loud what songs I should pitch Brill-Building stylee for a well-known girl group. (If I can stop laughing long enough to take this seriously.)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)
(bah xpost)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)
Swirly berry teas sound good; I've been drinking a lot of ginger tea, cause it's nice to drink when you're sick.
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)
I would have stayed home but I need the money. I'm a temp, I don't get sick leave. It's more the boredom than the illness which is making me not want to be here.
HSA was all curious when the box came, he was sitting on the bed and I kept trying to get him to LEAVE so I could open it in peace, cause I knew he was going to take the piss, and of course he did. Well, he should have gone in the other room and done his boystuff like I suggested.
It was funny, when I first started watching the video, he sulked and stayed in the bedroom, reading. Then he washed his hair for, like, an hour. Then he came out and started dancing round the living room naked trying to distract me. He kept saying "Aren't you glad I'm not all jealous like most boys would be?" in a very silly, jealous sort of way. And then finally he just gave up and sat down and started watching it with me, and got hooked, and was all "Actually, this is really good..." So HAH!
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)
crookback dick wz full of beanshe murdered half a dozen queens
etc
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)
Heh, someone has finally come up with something for me to do, now that I finally have something to talk about. How annoying! More commentary on the commentary at lunch...
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)
nb. not historically accurate
― robster (robster), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)
Where do they FIND historical reenactors? And why do they feel the need to show endless clips of Henry II galloping moodily around on his horse by himself?
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)
But it's quite unlikely that I'll ever stop being interested in either history, or art, or indeed art history or other "tedious" subjects. So I worry not about the merchandise becoming redundant. I tend to hold onto the interests much longer than the crushes which spurred them on.
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)
What else was he on TV for? Or was he talking about Horny Historian, I mean, Heroes of WWII or Kings and Queens or IS THERE TO BE MORE NEW SPIVEY GOODNESS OF WHICH I AM NOT AWARE YET?!?!?
Oh please let him host some Channel Five programme about horny art of the Romans or some such thing. I would explode, surely.
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)
OK, you have a deal. Email me about the handover.
(What does press embargoed mean? Does that mean that they ARE for some future production thing, so there is Spivey Goodness yet to come?)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)
::slaps self::
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)
However, if there is no new goodness, why does your colleague have said photographs? Hrmmmmm? Or maybe his other series is about to come out in a lush box set?
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)
hstencil?
― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)
she is not great at all (voluminously bosomed, but pretty rough british porn actress and model). however, this a look that would work for most women, as far as i can tell
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)
Ha-hem. Anyway, I was thinking more of Dr. Spivey being surrounded by naked slave-girls with feathers, i.e. ME. But this is getting very silly indeed.
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)
I think I may have just volunteered to sell my soul to the Devil, but I'm not sure. Wouldn't it be annoying if the Devil said "Sorry, I've got enough souls"?
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)
We would have been devastated had we missed it!
A bit like the bomber squadrons! or, Unlike the good people of Hamburg! Or was that intentional?
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)
Anyway, WHERE DID THE STUARTS GO?!?!? WHAT ABOUT BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE PART I AND II? WHERE DID THOSE BLOODY HANOVERIANS COME FROM?!?!? OK, obviously Hanover, but still. Why them?
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)
OK, and I'm short tempered cause I haven't slept well the past two nights cause HSA is out of town and I'm upset cause I'm actually missing him and feeling like a big old fool, a big ole love fool, and I haven't had enough sleep and I want to know where the Stuarts went and I'm not having a very good day today WAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)
I think Walpole actually influenced the highly dubious system of getting in a new set o' Royals after Jason of Orange. The early Gs *hated* England and spent most of their time beack in Hanover, leaving the the business of business to Walpole etc. 'We' needed a cast-iron non-catholic.
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)
(The irony being, that things for Catholics were actually much *better* under the Protestant Georges than they had ever been under the supposedly Catholic Stuarts.)
X-post, Pink, you're right. There was an article about hunter gathering and shopping in the Metro this morning, I'll start a thread about that.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)
(I love how the British decided that Mad Old King George wasn't so bad when faced with the idea of having a Napoleon instead.)
Hogarth! Gin! The Gordon Riots! The 18th Century Made Us What We Are Today!
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)
But! Considering how fast London was expanding, the whole stinkiness of St.Giles rookery and all that really fascinates me.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)
Whigs, wit and mincing, it sounds like Momus to you, doesn't it?
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)
Gothick=Catholic Form vs Protestant Content=Victorian hypocrisy=Bloody ColdNeo-Palladian/Classical=Town Planning=Protestants on their uppers=Still basically repressed catholicism=much warmer
Oxford corner: TS: Keble vs Wadham
[ducks]
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)
I know, fie, for shame, I know the buildings in Oxford, but can't place the name to the building. Some Oxbridge academic I would make, sigh. I blame booze and my ex-boyfriend.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)
Get yer girlfriend on the thread to talk about Oxford Architecture! (But oh no, then I will start disparraging Cambridge and will offend both Dr. Spivey and Baronness Panther so perhaps that's not a good idea.)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)
In fact, actually, I'm quite sure that it does, my family nearly moved to Cambridge when I was 9 (why they couldn't have moved there instead of New York is quite beyond me, grrrr, I mean, the house we were looking at had FIVE FLOORS so each of us could have had our own floor, plus one for the dogs!) and I remember the architecture being really nice, and a really cool alternative school, instead of the evil Christian Scientists who locked me in a closet for talking about Evolution, grrrrrr...
Ha-hem. Cambridge is confusing to drive through, though. All the one-ways and the narrow streets and the dead people in the middle of the road.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)
Rad Cam, if that is the Round Thing I am thinking of = way cool.
HANG ON, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT NIGEL SPIVEY AND I REFUSE TO LET YOU TURN IT INTO TAKING SIDES: OXFORD VS. CAMBRIDGE!!!
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)
Hm! Ditto Oxford! And the crazies standing on top of the dead ppl and extolling their long-burned-up-by-royalist-zealots virtues.
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― cis (cis), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)
Oh god, that reminds me, I had completely forgotten!
The funny thing is, I was once actually sort-of internet stalked by a Cambridge prof. When I first got to the UK and knew no one and was very lonely (boo hoo) I signed up for this internet dating service, you know, as a lark. It was supposed to be all anonymous until you *chose* to meet the person, so it seemed safe enough. So this guy - who was some kind of Cambridge prof (not Spivey, BTW, in fact, I think he was in the maths department) - started writing me. And then he started to mention all this really personal stuff about me that I hadn't put on my profile. I started to get freaked out - so I confronted him. He said he'd just worked out my name and googled me. Turns out he had done a lot more than that - he had actually signed up for the Lollies' mailing list and read all my mail. I was super bugged and told him to get lost.
The last time we played in Cambridge, he saw my photo in the newspaper and came down. He bought an album and was all "Oh, BTW, ha ha, I'm that guy..." and tried to make a joke of it, but it was genuinely quite creepy.
Not that I hold that against the city of Cambridge, or the University, but still...
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)
And yes, this dead person was quite, quite dead and quite lying in the middle of the road. Where his bicycle had quite recently been struck by quite a bus.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)
(Plus, I know, obv. I do not hold the behaviour of their maths department against, say, their Classics department.)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― emsk, Friday, 7 November 2003 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― emsk, Friday, 7 November 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― emsk, Friday, 7 November 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)