This Is Kate's Thread About Dr. Nigel J. Spivey

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You knew it was coming. I'm only doing this so I don't keep randomly going off topic on all the other threads.

So, the wildcats strikes being over, my Big Box Of Spivey Goodness arrived yesterday. Conveniently while I was home sick in bed.

I've watched Disc One of "Kings & Queens" and so far, it's entertaining and engaging (and reasonably accurate, so I don't know what the Richard III Anti-Defamation League was so up in arms about) but, you know, like so many TV History programmes, it's a bit superficial, and doesn't really tell me much more than 2 years of English History at boarding school did. I'm always amused by silly historical reenactments, and well, Nigel Spivey wandering around battlefields with his fringe flopping in the breeze, firing longbows and stuff - K-ROWR!!!

Also got his big book of art history. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, I can't decide yet) it does read a bit like a textbook, albeit a rather chatty and colloquial textbook. I think his style irritates me, in that it is rather intellectual and abstract ideas presented in a non-intellelectual style. Lots of sentance fragments! ...to tell you his deepest thoughts. I just think to myself "Surely an Oxbridge educated professor should have a better grasp of grammar."

I'm still waiting to see what conclusions he draws. So far it has been a history of the depiction of "suffering" within art (lots of gratuitous sculptures and paintings of St. Sebastian - wonderful!) cleverly disguised as an art history textbook. (Or maybe the other way around.) I'm suspicious of any history textbook that starts with the Holocaust, but I'm waiting to see how he resolves this.

Anyway... This isn't a question. This is a thread for my random thoughts and outbursts of lust to keep them off other threads.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It looks so lonely with no one posting on it except me, so I better get to work.

Disc One did William the Conquerer up to Henry VIII. It skipped a lot of rulers, and I'm disapointed at the lack of Saxons. I mean, Alfred! Ethelread the Unready! Come on! And then he talked about Edward I, like there had never been an Edward before him - and Edward the Confessor rolling in his Saxon grave. Humph!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

all sounds great kate, glad they turned up yesterday when you needed them!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose I might also want to talk about Louis Wain on this thread! (Yes! I forgot! You know that crazy picture of the cats in a serpentine line all marching along holding books? It used to get posted on ILE quite a bit... that's a Louis Wain!)

And wonder out loud what songs I should pitch Brill-Building stylee for a well-known girl group. (If I can stop laughing long enough to take this seriously.)

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ack! X-post! Hello, Pink, how are you doing? Have you tried the gingerbread latte yet?

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

?? what was the Horny Historian thread about, then?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Sadly I haven't. I work outta town & there are no starbucks here. :-( I have started drinking fruit teas. At the moment I am enjoying a strawberry & raspberry swirl, very nice. I am fine thanx, are you feeling better today?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(genuine question, I never read it)

(bah xpost)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm full of lemsip so I'm feeling FIIIIIIIINE, but I don't really want to be here. Sigh. I slept most of yesterday so of course I didn't sleep last night, and of course, I was mildly exciting from all the kings and the BATTLES and I didn't really want to go to bed, I wanted to leap about the flat with a sword, smiting TROUBLESOME CLERKS and invading France. Sigh. Why can't I be a medieval king?

Swirly berry teas sound good; I've been drinking a lot of ginger tea, cause it's nice to drink when you're sick.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(Also, suggestions on how to stop HSA from mocking NStheHH and thereby mocking me, would gladly be accepted.)

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, it's 10am and I'm bored already. Why did I come in to work today?

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Show him a picture of this each time he mocks Nigel & in turn you....
http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/spencerchow/allyfinger.jpg

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and why don't you go home & say you're still feeling too poorly to be at work!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that Ally giving us the finger? I'm not showing HSA that, it would turn him on! Are you crazy?

I would have stayed home but I need the money. I'm a temp, I don't get sick leave. It's more the boredom than the illness which is making me not want to be here.

HSA was all curious when the box came, he was sitting on the bed and I kept trying to get him to LEAVE so I could open it in peace, cause I knew he was going to take the piss, and of course he did. Well, he should have gone in the other room and done his boystuff like I suggested.

It was funny, when I first started watching the video, he sulked and stayed in the bedroom, reading. Then he washed his hair for, like, an hour. Then he came out and started dancing round the living room naked trying to distract me. He kept saying "Aren't you glad I'm not all jealous like most boys would be?" in a very silly, jealous sort of way. And then finally he just gave up and sat down and started watching it with me, and got hooked, and was all "Actually, this is really good..." So HAH!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the best thing you could've done, get him watching it & then he'll stop mocking you!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

he shd do the progs in verse like elanor farjeon:

crookback dick wz full of beans
he murdered half a dozen queens


etc

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Having read his prose, I don't want to hear his poetry...

Heh, someone has finally come up with something for me to do, now that I finally have something to talk about. How annoying! More commentary on the commentary at lunch...

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm 'Enery the Eighth I am,
'Enery the Eighth I am, I am.
I got married to the widow next door –
She's been married seven times before.

nb. not historically accurate

robster (robster), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

NStheHH says that Crookback Dick was not actually hunchbacked, either, so what does he know? They did, however, have historical reenactments of Henery the Eighth being winched onto his horse because he was so fat. (Being winched onto his wives, they did not show.)

Where do they FIND historical reenactors? And why do they feel the need to show endless clips of Henry II galloping moodily around on his horse by himself?

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate, make sure you keep the merchandise in tiptop condition as soon your crush will dissolve and you'll wonder what the hell to do with all these tedious historical works you spent so much money on...

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, the crush will dissolve. Eventually. (Sooner rather than later, I hope, but we can't choose these things.)

But it's quite unlikely that I'll ever stop being interested in either history, or art, or indeed art history or other "tedious" subjects. So I worry not about the merchandise becoming redundant. I tend to hold onto the interests much longer than the crushes which spurred them on.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

God, I'm bored. I should have stayed in bed. And I was just getting to the Baroque era, lots of pictures of St. Lawrence being roasted on a gridiron, and I was just about to get to the chapter with multiple paintings of the Massacre Of The Innocents or whatever it was called. Sigh.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I am bored too. I was trying to rally ppl up to go out to lunch, but ppl are too busy. :-(

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I am such a good programmer (heh, and modest, too) that I have simplified my reports to the point where it no longer actually holds my interest to run them. Curse those macros and filters!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

kate you are a total loon and you brighten up my mornings at work. also a colleague of mine was talking about spivey this morning (in a non-erotic way, i might add), i thought of you!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? REALLY?!?!? What did yer colleague say about Dr. Spivey? Why was he/she talking about him? In what context? Saying what? I am intrigued, I thought I was the only person in the world that had noticed him. (Except the Richard III Anti-Defamation League.)

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

he runs the telly desk at the newspaper of record at which i make my playboy-style living, he was talking about nigel being on tv in somethin (AND HE HAS PICTURES!!!). it's all about the spivey, today, kate!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Pictures? GET ME THESE PICTURES FROM YOUR COLLEAGUE!!! Please?

What else was he on TV for? Or was he talking about Horny Historian, I mean, Heroes of WWII or Kings and Queens or IS THERE TO BE MORE NEW SPIVEY GOODNESS OF WHICH I AM NOT AWARE YET?!?!?

Oh please let him host some Channel Five programme about horny art of the Romans or some such thing. I would explode, surely.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Blimey Kate, your prayers have been answered! Hey dave!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I want these pictures. I want them. Give them to me. NOW! Or else the NHS database bites it!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i've asked him for the pictures but they are press embargoed and also on our production system: sadly, this means i would have a right beeyatch of a time transferring them to our email server and i'm a busy man with no time to *ahem* waste right now! i can however print them and give them to you in a brown envelope for the very reasonable price of a pint or so ;)

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh you historian pusher!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Mutter mutter...

OK, you have a deal. Email me about the handover.

(What does press embargoed mean? Does that mean that they ARE for some future production thing, so there is Spivey Goodness yet to come?)

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i am just about to ask him if there is any likelihood of a spivey-hosted history of erotica special any time in the not too distant

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ask if Spivey will be *participating* in said erotica...

::slaps self::

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, he might think you're interested Dave!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Shoot me. Shoot me now.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i have explained about kate, it's okay. and, hey, i'm secure enough in my (*ahem* red-blooded and really rather virile) heteroness to ask this stuff on her behalf. sadly no new spivey fix for her, though... at least not that we know of thus far (damn i am such a tease). however, my colleague did agree that a history of erotica would be a good idea. personally, i think he should team up with linsey dawn mackenzie for this job...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

ergo, we shall start a campaign to make this happen for you, kate.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You can take the journalist away from the tabloid but....

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, indeed. Nigel Spivey Hosts The History Of Erotica. (I don't know who your co-host is, but would she look good half-naked surrounded by slave-girls with feathers?)

However, if there is no new goodness, why does your colleague have said photographs? Hrmmmmm? Or maybe his other series is about to come out in a lush box set?

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

but would she look good half-naked surrounded by slave-girls with feathers?

hstencil?

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, i've found out why now. it was something we published a few weeks ago and we have to detail all our picture usage for agency-payment purposes etc after we go to press, hence the reason for the spivey being talked about... all very dull and sorry to get yer hopes up

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

*shakes head & points at dave*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

*hangs head in shame*

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

*nods*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

would she look good half-naked surrounded by slave-girls with feathers?

she is not great at all (voluminously bosomed, but pretty rough british porn actress and model). however, this a look that would work for most women, as far as i can tell

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

What did you publish a few weeks ago? And did *that* have pictures in it? And ifso, HOW CAN I GET A COPY?!?!?

Ha-hem. Anyway, I was thinking more of Dr. Spivey being surrounded by naked slave-girls with feathers, i.e. ME. But this is getting very silly indeed.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Mutter mutter mutter.

I think I may have just volunteered to sell my soul to the Devil, but I'm not sure. Wouldn't it be annoying if the Devil said "Sorry, I've got enough souls"?

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

A picture of NJS would make my day go a heckuva lot quicker right now. Sigh.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Time - 19:30 - 20:00 (30 minutes long)
When - Wednesday 5th November on Five
The Men Who Lit Up Germany.
Documentary series about those individuals who shaped the outcome of World War II. This prograsmme looks at the elite force of night-bomber navigators that were trained to fly before the main bombing raids and mark targets with coloured flares, making bombing raids significantly more effective.
(Subtitles, Stereo)

We would have been devastated had we missed it!

A bit like the bomber squadrons! or, Unlike the good people of Hamburg! Or was that intentional?

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm in a bad mood now due to that other thread. :-(

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The anti-royal thread? The anti-mark s thread?

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't even know there was an anti-Mark S thread. That makes me even more depressed.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It's well funny actually -- a Moorcock flame.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but Mark S is the only person who gets a birthday thread when it's not even his birthday.

Anyway, WHERE DID THE STUARTS GO?!?!? WHAT ABOUT BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE PART I AND II? WHERE DID THOSE BLOODY HANOVERIANS COME FROM?!?!? OK, obviously Hanover, but still. Why them?

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

What's up sweetie?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

They are mocking the Monarchy on another thread.

OK, and I'm short tempered cause I haven't slept well the past two nights cause HSA is out of town and I'm upset cause I'm actually missing him and feeling like a big old fool, a big ole love fool, and I haven't had enough sleep and I want to know where the Stuarts went and I'm not having a very good day today WAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

WHERE DID THOSE BLOODY HANOVERIANS COME FROM?!?!?

I think Walpole actually influenced the highly dubious system of getting in a new set o' Royals after Jason of Orange. The early Gs *hated* England and spent most of their time beack in Hanover, leaving the the business of business to Walpole etc. 'We' needed a cast-iron non-catholic.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no, it's awful when your beloved is outta town, nowt to feel foolish about at all. Come on lady, it's friday, don't be down, start off a thread that you will enjoy.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

So why didn't Dr. Spivey talk about that, instead of the stupid American War of Independance? (Oh, yeah, because he would much rather blag a trip to "Upper New York State" than to Germany.)

(The irony being, that things for Catholics were actually much *better* under the Protestant Georges than they had ever been under the supposedly Catholic Stuarts.)

X-post, Pink, you're right. There was an article about hunter gathering and shopping in the Metro this morning, I'll start a thread about that.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Most ppl think the 18th century is k-dull next to the war-tastic 17th and the within-living-folk-memory 19th, I spose.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

But the 18th Century is amazing! The Industrial Revolution was just getting started! Revolutions of all kinds - America, France, etc. etc. etc!

(I love how the British decided that Mad Old King George wasn't so bad when faced with the idea of having a Napoleon instead.)

Hogarth! Gin! The Gordon Riots! The 18th Century Made Us What We Are Today!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, tell me about it. Nice architecture too. I think the Industrial Revolution was probably a bit of a chore for lots of ppl, but hey! whaddayagonnado! I wd like to study it better, but I hear George Rude's 'Hanoverian London' (just repubbed) is a keeper.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, you can keep the architecture. All that post-Paladian neo-Classical nonsense, ugh, give me 19th Century Gothick any day. I mean, the 18th Century had its downsides. You know, the wigs, the mannered wit, the mincing, I just have this image of the entire city of London (in fact probably all of Europe) walking around like they're all Momus.

But! Considering how fast London was expanding, the whole stinkiness of St.Giles rookery and all that really fascinates me.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Gothick = stone poperie, nah? Whigs, the mannered wit, the mincing.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hrmmm, I'm trying to remember the association. Gothick was Christian, and Northern European and Romantic, while Classical was Pagan and Southern European and, well, Classical. A lot of Protestant Churches aped Classical architecture, because being non-medieval, it was seen as non-Popish. But Pagan is closer to Popish than you would think, innit? It all came from Rome, after all (like Ver Pope) so I think they really should just have come up with their own architectural style. Modernist or Bauhausian or something, you know?

Whigs, wit and mincing, it sounds like Momus to you, doesn't it?

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus is a sort of 'effect of the text' thing for me -- he seems to exert some mythical power round these parts, but I dunno who he is. But that does sound Momusy, bless his powdered cotton socks.

Gothick=Catholic Form vs Protestant Content=Victorian hypocrisy=Bloody Cold
Neo-Palladian/Classical=Town Planning=Protestants on their uppers=Still basically repressed catholicism=much warmer

Oxford corner: TS: Keble vs Wadham

[ducks]

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Unfortunately, the only proper architect I know of Oxford is Butterfield - who was properly protestant and Victorian and Gothick with a capital buttress.

I know, fie, for shame, I know the buildings in Oxford, but can't place the name to the building. Some Oxbridge academic I would make, sigh. I blame booze and my ex-boyfriend.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Wren = big cheese here b4 St Pauls etc. My g/f wd help but she's off -- o FUCK I haven't done her sicknote
FUCKFUCKFUCK

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I am of two minds about Wren. Well, I am a former architecture student and a London-opihle and an Ackroyd reader and therefore HE IS LIKE A GOD ON EARTH BEFORE ME, but then again, he's very heavy on the Neo-Classicism which makes me think maybe he's overrated, but then again ST. PAULS!!! I mean, really! It's writhing and frou-frou and convoluted classicism and I love it.

Get yer girlfriend on the thread to talk about Oxford Architecture! (But oh no, then I will start disparraging Cambridge and will offend both Dr. Spivey and Baronness Panther so perhaps that's not a good idea.)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

*clears throat*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

We went to the top of St Pauls one day, and all the churches in that area (this was a few years ago, b4 we'd heard of Ackroyd/Sinclair, so it felt todally original chiz). It's amazing + tres scary. But yeah she's the expert. I like mentallist buildings like Oxford's Rad Cam (the globular thing where this pm I shall read old movie journal hahaha). But also nice churches like that one nr Jermyn St. Verily, as Derrida probably would say the romantic finds its way into the classical in the work of Wren &c.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus I am from Cambridge so can judge OBJECTIVELY AND SCIENTIFICALLY that Ox ROOLZ ts: Pink Floyd vs Supergrass/Ian McEwan vs Jeffrey Archer. But I miss it all the same.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure that Cambridge has some lovely architecture, too, Pink

In fact, actually, I'm quite sure that it does, my family nearly moved to Cambridge when I was 9 (why they couldn't have moved there instead of New York is quite beyond me, grrrr, I mean, the house we were looking at had FIVE FLOORS so each of us could have had our own floor, plus one for the dogs!) and I remember the architecture being really nice, and a really cool alternative school, instead of the evil Christian Scientists who locked me in a closet for talking about Evolution, grrrrrr...

Ha-hem. Cambridge is confusing to drive through, though. All the one-ways and the narrow streets and the dead people in the middle of the road.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post!

Rad Cam, if that is the Round Thing I am thinking of = way cool.

HANG ON, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT NIGEL SPIVEY AND I REFUSE TO LET YOU TURN IT INTO TAKING SIDES: OXFORD VS. CAMBRIDGE!!!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Cambridge is confusing to drive through, though. All the one-ways and the narrow streets and the dead people in the middle of the road.

Hm! Ditto Oxford! And the crazies standing on top of the dead ppl and extolling their long-burned-up-by-royalist-zealots virtues.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not taking sides, there is no contest. Now come to cambridge & let's put an end to this!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh & cam is not weird to drive thru, i do it all of the time & if i can...

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Oxford == royalist
Cambridge == dissenting.

cis (cis), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, sorry about that!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Fitz==Wittgenstein==at the moment. He lived in Chesterton Road.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The last time I drove (or rather was driven) in Cambridge, there was a dead guy in the middle of the town centre, and all the traffic was diverted around him, so we ended up having to go the wrong way up a bus only lane in order to get to the venue!

Oh god, that reminds me, I had completely forgotten!

The funny thing is, I was once actually sort-of internet stalked by a Cambridge prof. When I first got to the UK and knew no one and was very lonely (boo hoo) I signed up for this internet dating service, you know, as a lark. It was supposed to be all anonymous until you *chose* to meet the person, so it seemed safe enough. So this guy - who was some kind of Cambridge prof (not Spivey, BTW, in fact, I think he was in the maths department) - started writing me. And then he started to mention all this really personal stuff about me that I hadn't put on my profile. I started to get freaked out - so I confronted him. He said he'd just worked out my name and googled me. Turns out he had done a lot more than that - he had actually signed up for the Lollies' mailing list and read all my mail. I was super bugged and told him to get lost.

The last time we played in Cambridge, he saw my photo in the newspaper and came down. He bought an album and was all "Oh, BTW, ha ha, I'm that guy..." and tried to make a joke of it, but it was genuinely quite creepy.

Not that I hold that against the city of Cambridge, or the University, but still...

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, did his first surname start with an 'A'? Anyhoo, our dead ppl are underground (or not, if they were burned then obv. not) rather than literally in the middle of the road.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

What did you expect with a maths prof? Pls dont hold that against us kate, remember the rainbow cafe is your friend!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't actually remember what the prof's surname was, if indeed, I ever knew it. He drove a unfeasibly nice vintage sportscar, if that helps the ID.

And yes, this dead person was quite, quite dead and quite lying in the middle of the road. Where his bicycle had quite recently been struck by quite a bus.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I don't think that happens all that often, but there is alot of cyclists in cambridge & they are a pain in the ass. not saying that they deserved to be killed but maybe a severe fingure pointing is in order!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Or perhaps being knocked off their bicycles by mad Spivey-stalking history obsessives!

(Plus, I know, obv. I do not hold the behaviour of their maths department against, say, their Classics department.)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

kate, you are bloody marvellous.

emsk, Friday, 7 November 2003 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

*moves away quietly*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(Ooh, thanks, Ems, usually you say "bloody mad" so marvellous is an improvement!)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

you have made me larf like a drain reading this thread, now am all delighted with the world an ting. so, bigup!

emsk, Friday, 7 November 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

is laughing like a drain a good thing?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You should come round and watch Kings & Queens with us at me and Catty's Spivey Party, Ems! Then you would laff even harder!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Plus for more laffing like drain goodness, you should really read Tudor ILE - hrmm, come to think of it, we don't have a Baronness Of Bethnal Green yet...)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh, spivey party - when is spivey party? i don't think i've ever even seen king spivey. i need to have my mind taken off the Quandary (kate i just sent email...) pink, laffing like a drain is one of my favourite things in the whole world! kate excels at making it happen.

emsk, Friday, 7 November 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah she does seem to!!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh dear. I've been having terrible email problems lately, but I will check.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Email sent, Ems!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)


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