What's the deal with Americans and Buffalo Wings?

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1) did they really originate in Buffalo?

2) ts: drumstick vs. wing?

4) people breading them - wtf?

5) when david letterman quizzed jessica simpson on her previous belief that buffalo wings came from buffalo was her response really "I ask the questions others are afraid to ask"?

6) people ordering 'mild' ones - wtf?

7) is there any way to eat them that doesn't make you feel like an animal?

8) I don't think I saw buffalo wings on the menu anywhere in europe - has it not 'broke' there yet?

9) how come you can't get good mexican food in europe?

10) if you've ever worked in a place that made them how long until you were able to eat them again?

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

All I know is that my UCLA days meant that I ordered fantastic buffalo wings every couple of days or so from this one local place. Oh god they were delicious.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

surely that is not all you know!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

1. who cares?
2. drummies
3. (no #3 ha ha)
4. wtf indeed
5. prob'ly ha ha
6. see: answer to #4
7. pulling the meat from the bone, putting in blender, drinking
8. those wussies
9. Mexicans don't live there
10.10 minutes

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Buffalo wings are available at all good British American-style diners. Usually called hot wings though. Often served with fries and slaw. As is everything else in those places.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

7) is there any way to eat them that doesn't make you feel like an animal?

Yes, but it looks unflattering to put a whole wing in your mouth at once and then have them come out cleaned to the bone.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

They are gross.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39531000/jpg/_39531939_maleface203.jpg

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

drummies are good.

i prefer fried to being half-baked in a rancid ass bbq/"hot" sauce.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

It has just occured to me that I always assumed they were made from buffalos.

Are "buffalo wings" the same as good old honest to goodness HOT WINGS as found in Dallas Fried Chicken et al?

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Buffalo wings are a bit bigger than the wings over here as they have a bit of breast attached too. But you can get them in several places over here, yes.

I thought they did originate in Buffalo

I ate 32 in one sitting once, I was quite proud of this. and (for shame) it was at a hooters in Jacksonville)

chris (chris), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

1) did they really originate in Buffalo?
Duh.

2) ts: drumstick vs. wing?
Wing!

4) people breading them - wtf?
I dunno.

5) when david letterman quizzed jessica simpson on her previous belief that buffalo wings came from buffalo was her response really "I ask the questions others are afraid to ask"?
Sounds too intelligent to have come out of Jessica Simpson's mouth. If it'd been Kelly Osbourne, on the other hand, maybe.

6) people ordering 'mild' ones - wtf?
They is pain weenies.

7) is there any way to eat them that doesn't make you feel like an animal?
Nope. Gotta satiate those primeval urges somehow.

8) I don't think I saw buffalo wings on the menu anywhere in europe - has it not 'broke' there yet?
Dunno. But sports bars aren't really huge deals in Europe, are they?

9) how come you can't get good mexican food in europe?
This question is really too silly to answer. Though I do know of people of Mexican ancestry living in England....

10) if you've ever worked in a place that made them how long until you were able to eat them again?
n/a

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i like em boneless.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Take off your panties, Chris.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder what they are like dipped in Bovril?

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

bovrilicious?

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Hooters Waitress: "Would you like Bleu cheese or Ranch with those wangs?"

Me: "Bitch, you know i like mine with Bovril."

Hooters Waitress: *Kicks me in the face*

Me: "Damn, yo."

Random Dude: "AH SNAP!"

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

aren't they made out of genetically engineered buffalos who have ridges of little wings growing out of their backs? a bit like those mice with the giant ears?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm trying to do some calculations here: there is an asscociated chicken attached to every two wings. America consumes chicken wings like crazy. How many gazillion chickens does this country raise anyway?

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

chicken farms are something nasty too

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

blount were you in europe recently?

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

DV I appear to have been thinking along similiar lines. Now I'm just thinking that I'm HUNGRY.

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

the trick is to eat them with mashed potatoe & then incubate on the couch

kephm, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I like when Kool Keith does shows and about halfway through they do the "chicken break" thing where they fling zip-lock bags full of buffalo wings and capri sun coolers out into the audience.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

They did originate in Buffalo in the 50s or 60s or something. I worked at a place that served buffalo wings and still had no problem eating them.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

ned, care to share the name of said local place for us local people?

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

They were called Big Red Wings and god knows if they're still around. Great fries and potato skins too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"How many gazillion chickens does this country raise anyway?"

The entire state of Arkansas is one large chicken farm (or it seems to be).

earlnash, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

this seems as good a place as any to point out that the nachos they served me at an "American-Style Sports Bar" in Cologne were the single most aggressive act of performance art I have ever eaten

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

TELL ME MORE

Annouschka (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you mad, JBR? Let the poor man recover.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Rank State Number Produced

1 GA 1,247,300

2 AR 1,170,900

3 AL 1,007,600

4 MS 765,300

5 NC 712,300

6 TX 565,500

United States Total 8,389,100

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the above stats are chicken production numbers- add three zeros to every number.

So the total number of chickens produced each year = 8.3 billion

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I love them.

Buffalo Wild Wings makes the only hot sauce I've never been able finish. I could not finish my plate of Wings, it was that hot. It was inedible. My hat it off to anyone who could eat that, and I've been known to munch on raw jalapenos.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

GA #1!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I still want to hear about the nachos in Cologne.

Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I had pretty decent (read good, but not fantastic) Mexican food last time I was in Madrid.

hstencil, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw a segment of The Best of on Food Network on this very subject! Yes, they originated in Buffalo--the dude-host went to the restaurant/bar that first coined the recipe and tried some. I am so happy to finally put my countless broke-ass NYC-dwelling Food Network viewing to actual productive use! Yay!

happy Matos! (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw that too! and i've been to that bar!

Annouschka (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

A friend of mine took me to a place in Buffalo called the Brick Bar and claimed "this is where the Buffalo wing started". He had this faraway look in his eyes so I believed him.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The Best of has such a strange format. Have the two hosts ever been in the same place at the same time?

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

they're like the proverbial two wings on the same chicken who never meet

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

guess what i had for lunch! mmmmmmm.

Annouschka (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

almost had them last night! then I decided to get a reuben. note to self: don't order reubens in Seattle, it's just too painful.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Curry-hot-sauce fried TURKEY wings - takin' it to a whole 'nother level or crime against wingity?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno. Send me over a basket and we'll find out!

Annouschka (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I love them and you can get very good ones in some places here. So true about no way of eating them without seeming like an animal though, I wouldn't get them unless many serviettes are at hand.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

http://nardwuar.com/gallery/albums/nardpics/nard_1213_013.jpg

Annouschka (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad Wrong is the ideal spokesperson for ilx food threads

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 00:22 (eight years ago)

badbadnotwrong

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 00:24 (eight years ago)

buffalo chicken pizza can be delicious done properly

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 00:25 (eight years ago)

drumettes >>>> wingettes

a but (brimstead), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 02:49 (eight years ago)

four years pass...

Buffalo chicken pizza is worse than ISIS

― Treeship, Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:16 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

i want to retract this statement, publicly. there is a place for buffalo chicken pizza.

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:33 (four years ago)

why did this come up for you today?

lord of the ting tings (map), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:10 (four years ago)

i am going to buffalo for a few days. wanted to see if there was good ilx content about it (not that there is anything to do there, really, during corona, but still). as often happens when i look in the archives, there is an embarrassing old post in there

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:12 (four years ago)

as presumably happens when looking on SNA

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:15 (four years ago)

i'm amused that you found an old opinion you had about food so embarrassing it needed public correction. are you close to some kind of buffalo chicken stakeholder now?

lord of the ting tings (map), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:17 (four years ago)

be a real head and eat beef on weck instead

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:18 (four years ago)

for good buffalo chicken pizza and to maybe run into a griselda rapper, La Nova is the place

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:24 (four years ago)

I've never understood wings at all. They're barely food. Why?

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:44 (four years ago)

It's one of the few American foods to provide a "bold", spicy, intense-flavor experience

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:49 (four years ago)

Seconding beef on weck. Have never been to Buffalo but there's a joint in my neighborhood owned by Buffalonians that offers it.

Josefa, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:49 (four years ago)

How are they "barely food?" They're fun little bite-sized bits of chicken. You can do all kinds of fun variations with them. I'm a vegetarian and even I understand wings.

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:51 (four years ago)

Before I went veg I did used to go down to the local dive with my bros on 50 cent wing night, so maybe it's nostalgia talking, IDK

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:52 (four years ago)

They're real fun to just stick in your mouth and inhale it off the bone. Can't do that with a drumstick or thigh.

peace, man, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:55 (four years ago)

I don't want to do any of those things to chicken. I don't want bones or sinew or a mouthful of skin. It's fine, they're just not for me.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:07 (four years ago)

wings are a perfect latenight drinking food bc they offer the pleasures of casual dippable fried fingerfood while being just barely complicated enough to eat that its hard to eat too much too fast.

as a resident i never understood beef on weck tbh, maybe i take it for granted. idk why its such a big deal that the roll has salt on it.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:11 (four years ago)

That's fair. I have a certain tolerance for bones in dishes like wings for example, but my wife will chew up every piece of gristle and fat and cartilage and suck the marrow out. Just crunching on her meal like a wayward hyena or something. And frankly it's a little frightening to me.

peace, man, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:13 (four years ago)

its hard to eat too much too fast

this can definitely be overcome with sufficient practice

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:14 (four years ago)

some would say any amount is too much

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:16 (four years ago)

the idea of wings grosses me out, yet I know if I had some hot wings in front of me right now I'd eat the hell out of them

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:17 (four years ago)

As for beef on weck, I don't really understand what it is, but I find it hilarious that every rust belt state seems to have some "local delicacy" that is just a beef-carb combination that is a very slight variation on a more common beef-carb combination.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:19 (four years ago)

my wife will chew up every piece of gristle and fat and cartilage and suck the marrow out. Just crunching on her meal like a wayward hyena or something. And frankly it's a little frightening to me.

Tooootally. My partner PREFERS the tails left on shrimp. He audibly crunches through cartilage and connective tissue. There's a lot going on.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:21 (four years ago)

my mom's side of the family is all from the Buffalo area and beef on weck always seemed to me to be one of those old-timey local sandwiches that has been eclipsed by advancing sandwich technology and the general tastes of the public, yet retains a place of honor for being, like, an original sensation

wings on the other hand are imo a classic example of cooking unwanted or less-wanted parts of the animal and making something good out of them—not just Frank's-coated hot wings but wings in general, not unlike organ meats, sausages, etc

xp man alive otm on both counts

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:21 (four years ago)

chicago has the italian beef, nyc pastrami on rye, philly steaks + the pork/broccoli raab sandwich, I'm sure there are many more

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:22 (four years ago)

italian beef sandos rule

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:31 (four years ago)

ime here beef on weck has definitely become one of those foods that is propped up as representing 'a local food' moreso than it is actually ever consumed

definitely a long-forgotten racial fault line as well btw wings (african american dish co-opted by a successful white family) & beef on weck (imported and enjoyed by longer-established euro immigrants), but its taboo to discuss locally

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:51 (four years ago)

xp agreed, it's a classic for a reason

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:02 (four years ago)

i'm here to regulate because people are apparently denigrating western new york delicacies! Buffalo wings are amazing; i don't understand not understanding wings. they're delicious, and Buffalo wings are superior to every other kind i've tried. item: everywhere i've lived except western new york fucks them up for some accursed reason. beef on weck is also delicious; it's the kimmelweck roll that does it. in my experience, food in rust belt cities is delicious because life is cold and hard and people understand comfort.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:40 (four years ago)

pastrami on rye is better than all the rust belt meat and carb variants, i have to admit

horseshoe, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:41 (four years ago)

definitely buf wings are racial appropriation, but i think people quite openly acknowledge the indebtedness of other wny foods to euro immigrants, no? it's a city of white ethnics!

horseshoe, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:42 (four years ago)

Pork & Raab is different enough that it doesn't count. I was thinking more of stuff like the "horseshoe sandwich" which apparently is just like a hamburger with french fries and cheese sauce on thick toast. Also I remember there being some kind of chili pasta thing maybe in ohio or st louis but I can't remember what it's called or which city.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:45 (four years ago)

maybe I'm just thinking of cincinatti chili, which is sometimes served with pasta

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:46 (four years ago)

chili pasta is cincinatti, maybe?

horseshoe, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:47 (four years ago)

I just feel like whenever I'm going to be passing through one of these cities and I start googling it's like "Where to get the BEST Albany Slammer" and an Albany slammer just turns out to be a roast beef sandwich but the top half of the bun is on the bottom or something.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:52 (four years ago)

chicken wings are great cos if you get in someone shows up that you don't like afterwards you can throw the bones at them

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:55 (four years ago)

cincinnati chili is much more distinct from other chilis than italian beef is from other beef sandwiches

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:58 (four years ago)

but I find it hilarious that every rust belt state seems to have some "local delicacy" that is just a beef-carb combination that is a very slight variation on a more common beef-carb combination.

The Juicy Lucy is perhaps my favorite example of this

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:59 (four years ago)

xp to horseshoe for sure - i was more just thinking about the whitewashing of wings specifically, which is just weird that i never hear anyone mention locally, while the euro origins of other local specialties are much discussed.

imho the pierogi of buffalo are slept-on, increased proximity to a Great Lake correlates to an increase in pierogi quality ime. i used to know an ancient place on the east side run by an octogenarian polish couple - you had to call ahead to wake them up in case theyd closed to take a nap. like little pillows of starchy heaven.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:06 (four years ago)

i'm here to regulate because people are apparently denigrating western new york delicacies! Buffalo wings are amazing; i don't understand not understanding wings. they're delicious, and Buffalo wings are superior to every other kind i've tried. item: everywhere i've lived except western new york fucks them up for some accursed reason. beef on weck is also delicious; it's the kimmelweck roll that does it. in my experience, food in rust belt cities is delicious because life is cold and hard and people understand comfort.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 9, 2021 6:40 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

here here, beautiful post

lord of the ting tings (map), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:09 (four years ago)

looks like i'm going to get some takeout beef on wek in buffalo too! thank you

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:14 (four years ago)

horseshoe ilu but you can't make me like wings. I will just have to be a terrible person.

I've had both wings and beef on wek *in* Buffalo, in fact the former was AT the Anchor Bar (it was on a work trip)! I wish Buffalo all the best.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:15 (four years ago)

The Juicy Lucy is perhaps my favorite example of this

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:59 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol, this is not that far off from the one I made up

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:25 (four years ago)

I passed by two Wing Stops on (Superbowl) Sunday, and saw long lines coming out of both; a first. And despite her mask, I recognized a friend-of-a-friend in one of the lines, and asked her about it - is this a Superbowl thing? Apparently, yes it is.

What do they do with the rest of the bird?

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:40 (four years ago)

I mean, presumably they just buy wings from a chicken processor

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:48 (four years ago)

i'm reminded of a leftist librarian i follow who used to do a bit about buffalo wild wings and how much she loved them.

i remember when i used to go out drinking many years ago, often the next day i wouldn't eat anything until around 5 p.m. when in a fit of animalistic hunger i would order a 15 pc from wing stop and then watch torrents of weeds or whatever.

lord of the ting tings (map), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:58 (four years ago)

haha it's very easy to buy big orders from Wingstop and gorge in front of the tv, i used to do that when i had one closer to me. it's no wonder my cholesterol isn't fatally high by now.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:59 (four years ago)

there is a yearly chicken wing festival at the local ballpark- i went to one of the early iterations and was disappointed to discover that the wings were being cooked centrally and each vendor was just applying their own sauce, which imo took a lot of variety out of the equation. i will never forget the site of enormous, truck-sized tubs of 1000s of pounds of cooked & uncooked wings being driven to and fro around the field.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 20:00 (four years ago)


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