I think I'm still in love with my Ex-Girlfriend

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In the spirit of the anonymous group hug, here's the worst thing I can admit to right now...

I think I'm still in love with my Ex-Girlfriend. We split 18 months ago after 4 turbulent months in a long-distance relationship, lots of snatched moments of utter fucking glorious magic, but also lots of stretches of silence, of her having to deal with her first year at University and feeling torn about being in such a relationship. And I didn't handle it well either. Her silence and my growing insecurity sabotaged it all.

I'm with another girl now; she's wonderful, helping me through what had been the worst year of my life (death in the family, then a car accident, followed by a near breakdown). I know that she 'needs' me too, my support and my ear to listen to her troubles, in a way my Ex could never admit (but which, by he actions, she tacitly admitted, and subsequently tried to reject). My Ex is pretty fucked up, emotionally, where my Girlfriend is very stable. But...

But my Ex walked footsteps through my soul no other girl could ever trace. She spoke in poetry and she believed in dreams and beauty and all these other intangible things that mean so much to me. A few weeks back I texted her, drunk, at 5am on a Sunday morning after standing in a field listening to leaves fall from the trees, something we did together once, and I told her I hoped she still saw magic in every little thing. She emailed me a week ago, wishing me luck and happiness; she'd heard I was seeing someone else now and was happy (and I am) and that she'd sent me a silent blessing when she heard that, and was truly happy for me.

But her words have reawoken something very powerful inside me, a realisation that I'm not over this girl, and in reality probably never will be. She has the power to make me happier than I've ever been, but I also know, through the pain I felt when we split, that she has the power to destroy me. But I can't deny the feelings I have fr her are stronger than anything I've ever felt in my life.

What is going on? I feel like I'm going mad...

Ps I am an ILX lurker, mainly. But please respect my anonymity for this thread... This is the guiltiest secret I have, and it is tearing me apart.

logged off, Friday, 7 November 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Trust me. You are not still in love with your ex.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

this is by a fair stretch the most depressing thing i've ever read in my whole life

(xpost ffs)

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, it's the excitement and the drama that you are in love with, not the girl.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it it unfair to your current g/f to have such strong feelings for someone else. I would be devastated if I found this out about my boy. You need to ask yourself whether your feelings about your ex are current or just a longing for the past. Do you know how your ex feels about you? Would a reconciliation be possible? Would you want that?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

But her words have reawoken something very powerful inside me, a realisation that I'm not over this girl, and in reality probably never will be.

to some extent one never gets over old loves. This is life.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't comment, but it's a very moving post.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

This is life.

i preferred it when bum touching was life

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Listen to Gloomy Sunday by Billie Holliday. There's a song in tune with your mood.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

pete otm.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Look.

I'm going to say something here that's very unpopular and will be hissed at, but I believe it is the truth. It doesn't really have to do with your specific situation, since I don't know if you really did love this girl or if you're just nursing an attachment - but it can be applied to what you wrote about...only you can judge for yourself where you were, or are, emotionally. Not strangers on the internet.

If you realy fall in "love" with someone - and by this I mean the you could fucking give your life to save theirs level of emotion - then no matter what the outcome is of the relationship, you will always continue to feel at least something for them...which is why the adage is true, the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. Yes, I am indeed saying what most will scream as being a fallacy, but once you fall in love deeply, you don't just "fall out" of it or "get over" it - or else it's not "love" - it was maybe developing into that, but not quite the real thing, which is why it's always been described as being so rare and elusive, and "only coming once" each lifetime (which IS a fallacy, btw). I guess if I were to make an analogy of it to ilx discussions of pop music, my point of view re: love would be rockist...lovist? Very strict definition...and it really sounds like I'm simplying the most emotionally complex matter concerning human beings, especially when you factor in the "but what if the person i loved *changed*...and so did my feelings?" counterpoint, which I have to make some sort of genuine exception for. But otherwise, speaking in a broad generalization, I think my opinion is true..

So, knowing this, you don't have to tear yourself up over the fact that you've never "gotten over" this person - because if you did, you wouldn't have loved her. This of course does not mean that you should now attempt to be with her again, if you don't feel it's right. You have to face your current emotional reality, as well as accepting the reality that a part you will always love this person...but that perhaps (? - I cannot really answer this for you, only you can) you cannot be with them, and are better off without them. It is of course the hardest thing you might ever do, but at some point, you'll accept it, but not until you realize that one day you can and will be able to love someone else as much as you loved that person...not in the same way of course, because you never love two people in the same way twice, but with as much intensity, yes, yes you can.

Trust me. You must look forward now and realize that what you felt in the past won't go away because it was real, because it lives inside you, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't look ahead. You must, and believe that something greater awaits you in the future...and that'll be the truth then, if that's what you want to make of it. Your life is in your hands, don't worry if *all* of your heart isn't - and don't ever listen to those that says that love doesn't last forever =)

Vic, Friday, 7 November 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Your future has as much poetry and passion as you want it to. First love doesn't leave you but it's something to celebrate because it helped make you. Don't mean your the same person as you were back then though. Things change. Look forwards, not back.

Alex K (Alex K), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

to those that say, not says...sorry

Vic, Friday, 7 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It can't be the same now because there's no way you are the exact same as you were then. And there is no way the circumstances that produced such goodness could be the same. I am a chronic romanticiser of past relationships, and I understand where you are coming from.

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

VIc, how is what you said any different from what DV said?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

oh dv hadnt posted that when i started writing my monster post..it took me almost a half hour to churn that baby out!! sorry x-post folly

Vic (Vic), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

VIc, how is what you said any different from what DV said?

Vic said it better, while I looked like I was being dismissive.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

No, brevity always wins. DV, you were concise and sharp at it; you said it better consdering it took you a fraction of the time to write that than it took me to write my novella!

Vic (Vic), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks to all of you; everything everyone added to this thread, no matter how contradictory, makes a lot of sense. I guess, in the end, I'm too romantic at heart, in a truly and totally impractical way. When it felt good, it felt so good I couldn't possibly imagine being without her. But when it felt bad, it tore me in two and made me so deeply and darkly miserable.
I couldn't be with her again, though I sometimes fantasise about it, and I sense that, at some point, she would be into it. When we split up, she said, "You're the man I want to live the rest of my life with, I'm just not ready to settle down yet." And while that's some comfort, I'm not willing to live my life waiting for that peny to drop, or to betray whomever I'm with currently in deference to some absent and promised future love.
It is difficult to come to terms with a love that's both true and requited but ultimately impossible. It's also difficult to leave such a love and imagine that you can find someone/thing that'll provide succour for its absence.
But I love my girlfriend, and she is a wonderful person. And she doesn't deserve a man pining over the impossible. So I will get over it, to the extent that one can...

logged off, Friday, 7 November 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It's very easy and tempting to live in the past: this is like crushes, they're a great substitute for the trouble of dealing with everyday life. If a relationship really meant something to you, it will never really go away, but a relationship with the *memory* of someone you loved -- which is all it could ever be -- is never going to be possible either. This is about recognising your feelings for what they are (i.e. not 'wrong' in the way you seem to imply, so don't beat yourself up over them / obsess about them (a sure way to actually alienate your current g/f)), and dealing with them, rather than letting them overcome you.

alext (alext), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

jeepers... vic brilliantly and so very movingly OTM...

stevie (stevie), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Vic, that was a great post.

(x-post)

And logged off, although it sounds silly, you never *ever* get over people you've really loved. That's the beauty and the tragedy of it. I guess the only thing I can tell you is to try to be honest with yourself in order to move on (or back), because that's the only way the memories will stop tormenting you.

Miggie (Miggie), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Children of Bodom is opening up for Dimmu Borgir on their US tour, that would cheer me up in a time like this.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasnt being an ass with that comment, merely stating that metal always makes me feel better. Either that or a once-over of the Crumb movie. I cant tell if that makes me feel better because his life is wack, or im just confused afterwards and forgot what was going on prior to hitting the START button.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread hurts my heart.

Chris Hungus (Chris V), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex K OTM

calstars (calstars), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It's also very hard to get over someone if you still have the notion that you might get back together someday. Once you move on from that I think you'll feel better about things.

Mandee, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Eh. You get over it. The notion that you will 'ALWAYS AND FOREVER' feel this way is dimbulb romanticism and while being very nice and moving I've found it to not be the case. There are three or four girls I thought I would lay down and die for at some point in my youth and now I'm just 'whatever.' If they were so perfect for me I wouldn't have broken up with them or vice versa, capiche?

Though if you have a new girlfriend who hasn't "replaced" whatever you had for your ex, then I wouldn't put too many eggs in that basket either.

You need time and distance. Also grow up.

TOMBOT, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't mean to sound quite so rude with that last comment. I'll try and qualify by saying that I think as I got older and dealt with more things I didn't have so much trouble with these issues.

I'm also not capable of being in 'love' with more than one person at a time. So that seems odd. Also Pinkpanther basically OTM.

TOMBOT, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, why didn't you even mention the word love in your frist post? Either you're in it or you're not, you can call it dimbulb or dumbell romanticism, but I just don't believe you can completely eradicate it if you've felt it for a particular person, and it's pretty much obvious that you haven't experienced it yet, isn't it? Certainly not with those girls.

Vic (Vic), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, I agree with Tom. Turns out that 75% of my post-breakup love was 25% dimbulb romanticism and 50% loneliness. I definitely still care about her but a lot of what I thought was gonna be around forever didn't last six months.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Fine. But don't say that those who have been "in love" can
"get over it" thesame way you got over your non-love.

Vic (Vic), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr Logged Off, it it makes it any easier, I know exactly how you feel - I'm still in love with your ex-girlfriend too.

alsologgedoff, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Millar did say that.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

No, he didn't at all.

Allyzay, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I was responding to more to what you said while thinking about your percentages

Vic (Vic), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

here's where I don't get really really mad.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Pinkpanther is OTM btw; I found myself in this situation once too and I realized eventually that it was more nostalgia for the past. When I had my fiance I also had several friends who no longer hung out with me because of the situation at hand (it was literally dangerous for them and me, so the friendships ended for a while). I kept breaking up with people and not dating people and only dating people from Israel! Then one day I realized this behavior was for shit and that really A) it was unfair to the people I was seeing B) it was unfair to myself--eventually you do get over things. 90% of "love" is nothing but "infatuation". I'm also kind of worried about anon--18 months post breakup still thinking about a girl he only saw 4 months :/

Of course I am a heartless cow and have never been in love and also I eat children, so feel free to dismiss what I say!!

Allyzay, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

pass the salt

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Love is as different as the people who fall in it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I have an image in my head of a children eating cow, just what I needed.

Vic (Vic), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

No, that's my way of saying you and Tom and right, and Vic is being totally insane here and kind of rude to both of you.

Nick OTM

Allyzay, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing I was reacting most to in Vic's post was the "this is going to be unpopular" preface. It seemed really odd to put that there when a good 85% of the people I know feel that way, and DV's micro-post that made the same point magnified that for me.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

ally, I know. still, pass the salt. I want my baby back...RIBS!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I should have modified my sentence to say that my entire stance on this issue may be very unpopular with some? And Anthony, I disagree with you but just want to clarify that I'm sorry if I came across as being disrespectful towards your feelings for your girlfriend.

Vic (Vic), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick's post is why I'm reluctant to ever use the word, especially on this forum, which is full of children.

TOMBOT, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously I am beginning to think you people listen to too much pop music

TOMBOT, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.rnw.nl/science/assets/images/sony12.jpg

mark s (mark s), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

They probably listen to too much indie.

Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes the things we feel are so strong and overwhelming that we assume that everybody else must feel this way, even if only fleetingly. The simple fact is that this is not the case. Neither intensity, frequency nor sensation or emotion are necessarily shared. This is true even of people in a relationship with each other.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Sadly.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

They probably listen to too much indie.

No, they just listen too much. We should all go deaf.

(Any attempt by me to come up with something serious to say would already have been said.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I'm still in love with my ex too. It's been over two years and I haven't (before OR after) met anyone who made me feel the way he did (ie happy). Or am I just in love with those memories and the way I felt? I woudn't go back to him I don't think (not that it's an option) but I want those times back so badly. So badly. The way I felt, the person I was.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)


this thread = redundant. i'm still in love with girls i haven't seen in over 5 years.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

1. I never thought I'd say this, but Pete speaks the truth right at the start.

2. All generalisations are always wrong (yes yes, paradoxes to thread, get over it). I think what Vic says is very often the case but not always. I was with one woman for 23 years and loved her more deeply than I can possibly express, but I no longer have remotely strong feelings for her, only for the memories of the good times together.

3. You are romanticising excitement and memories and fantasies over what you have. What this says about your current relationship I don't know, but I think it hints at some concerns. Forget about the old one, move on, give the current one your best shot and look at it as honestly as you can.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

But, still what a beautiful way to feel, even for the slightest moment of time - to feel that you had perfect love even for a minute. Life holds enough crushing reality. Don't listen. If the fantasy of a love seems real, than play it, in your head but be forewarned: when nothing is done; nothing is undone.

Gored, Friday, 7 November 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)


this is by a fair stretch the most depressing thing i've ever read in my whole life
-- the surface noise (electricsoun...), November 7th, 2003.

Why? Do you feel bad for 'logged off' or for his current gf?
This is so much better than my own situation that I am JEALOUS of logged off. Really. Lucky bastard.

mei (mei), Saturday, 8 November 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

both. i pity him and his current girlfriend. i was in a similar situation (or so i thought) once, and i was wrong wrong wrong and destroyed the potential of another relationship as a result.

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 8 November 2003 09:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Then I'm jealous of you too.

mei (mei), Saturday, 8 November 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck. I wish I had the guts to killpeople.

mei (mei), Saturday, 8 November 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

no i dont

mei (mei), Saturday, 8 November 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i do

mei (mei), Saturday, 8 November 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

no i dont'

mei (mei), Saturday, 8 November 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i do

mei (mei), Saturday, 8 November 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)


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