TS: Angelina Jolie v. Angelina Jolie

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where did gina gershon go btw?

It's all been downhill since Hackers (or Gia, depending on which came first).

I tuned out of caring about Cinderella Man when John Podhoretz started blabbing about how wonderful it was in NROworld. He simultaneously started complaining about Star Wars III with levels of 'that damned lefty Lucas! grrr!' invective even S1ocki didn't reach (but then again S1ocki's a good writer and not a mildly talented propagandist), and then had to post lamer defense after lamer defense when the hordes over there apparently told him to fuck off (he showed a wondrously poor grasp of how the market works, pointing to the first weekend dropoff of SW as a sign it would surely fail -- oddly enough, Cinderella Man has now collapsed this weekend by a similar percentage, a fact I suspect he will say nothing about).

Unintentionally funniest bit from Podhoretz to the NRO crowd -- "Lucas isn't worthy of your energy!"

You are a sick man.

I'm the only one here that watched that ensemble luv flick w/ her & Phillippe (sic) & Sean Connery & Gena Rowlands & JON STEWART MACKING GILLIAN ANDERSON YOU LUCKY DOG!

The rom-com where she played a bitchy newscaster who had to remember what was good about living kind of sucked.

i just returned from seeing it (i was with my parents gimme a break, it was free). people murdered, shot, stabbed, beaten etc., all done with a callous "hahaha". all done by chipper supposedly attractive and "likable" and "good" characters. did anyone else notice it's just a ripoff of true lies anyway? that movie sucked too (and for lasrgely similar reasons.)

on the way out i heard a women complaining out the "sexy scenes". WTF!?! people have their priorities FUCKED UP. ugh.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/29500/Hot-Legs--29614.jpg

what the fuck was my problem

i can't see the image, roxy:-(

weird

Jesus Christ, the guy goes on at length

Oh right, written by a guy, who gives a fuck what he thinks?

you can really find anything on the internet

naturalnews.com... all the news thats natch

these people are obviously way in the margins, but what bugs me is how all that crackpot "natural living" anti-"Western" medicine stuff sort of trickles down into the world views of otherwise sensible folk. like the people who refuse to immunize their children. or more "sensibly" (but really only _apparently_ sensibly) i know parents who decide to give their children _fewer_ immunizations, or have their child receive immunizations that are supposed to take place at a certain age spaced out over many years. i guess that seems like a "sensible" middle ground to them, but it's like the "we give you both sides" canard in the mainstream media. if one side has a bunch of unsupported crackpot theories, and the other side piles upon piles of rigorous studies demonstrating the effectiveness of immunizations, then finding a "middle ground" is so much bullshit.

/rant over

I never thought you combine a new age health food hippie and a Tea Party conservative in the same person, but judging by the articles he's written, the Natural News guy has found that middle ground:

http://www.naturalnews.com/index-HRarticles.html

on the fringes there are mixes of just about everything no matter how seemingly unlikely

Don't see why it's that unlikely

Mike began his mission as the Health Ranger as a response to his own failing health. At the age of 30, he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, a disease brought on by poor diet and severe lack of exercise. As a high-powered software executive, extreme levels of stress and cholesterol, depression and chronic back pain were common features of Mike's past.

Searching for answers to his health woes, Mike dove into research; he devoured thousands of books on nutrition, pharmaceutical drugs, wellness programs, the politics of food - anything he could find.

Mike has now made it his life mission to share the most remarkable discovery he made on his quest: the vast majority of all diseases can be easily prevented and even cured without drugs or surgery.

And that's exactly what Mike did. He cured himself of diabetes in a matter of months and transformed himself into the picture of perfect health in mind, body and spirit.

People who have written their own Wikipedia article press release.

Don't see why it's that unlikely

I dunno, I've met many new age/natural lifestyle people, and read articles by them, but I've never before come across such a combination. I know some new age types are against abortion because it's "unnatural", but this guy also appears to be pro-gun, anti-immigration, etc, and I don't really get how you combine that with a "holistic", "natural" worldview.

Back-to-nature movements and extreme right wing politics have a long history

It's a generalised anti-authority thing, though, isn't it? 'The man' as represented by the state or the medical industry. Refusal to be told what to do. Rejection of any and all research unless it confirms your pre-conceived notions. Taking individual negatives and rolling them up into a wider conspiracy. Etc.

(Note that those things are not restricted to right-wing nutbags or health nuts.)

I guess that's mostly in the US, then? Because in here I don't think there's ever been such a common history.

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I was actually thinking of Europe more than the US, historically

But the anti-authority aspect is perhaps more US than Europe

Yeah, I don't think anti-authoritianism among the new age people in here manifests as a pro-gun, anti-immigrant stance. More likely they see guns and tight border control as tools of the authorities.

Back-to-nature movements and extreme right wing politics have a long history

http://www.andyross.net/images/heidegger_3.jpg

Has Tuomas heard of this guy? (I hadn't btw)

That guy sounds more like a psycophath than a right-winger.

LOL, this is true

I think we read a thing by him in my ES 101 class. Professor trying to mix it up by introducing controversial ideas for debate.

I think that guy is a right winger though and broadly speaking, discourses that encourage a return to a more "natural" way of being are reactionary. You can criticize ecological destruction and capitalism without reverting to a romanticized view of "nature."

Yeah, he was pretty well known (and controversial, obviously) in here. His ideas are usually described as "ecofascism", i.e. he supports the idea that the current human population cannot live in an economically sound way, but also that humankind cannot reach ecological balance via democratic means, so something radical and undemocratic needs to be done to save planet. But I think this kind of "fascism" usually rises from deep biocentrism and misantropy, and isn't connected with the sort nationalism or racism/xenophobia that is usually the trait of extreme right-wingers. Basically, these kind of ecofascists see the whole humanity in negative light, so they don't support "national values" or hate specific ethnic groups.

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But i think their worldview springs from a similar place... A desire to return to a more natural/harmonious/whatever kind of society and a hatred of the forces that took us away from this ideal. Leftism, in contrast, is about empowering people to take charge of their own society and shape it in a way that will work best for them. Given conditions are to be transcended, not destroyed in the hope of finding the "purer" state that lies underneath. idk i see a deep family resemblance between traditional fascism and eco fascism because both discourses root themselves in a mythology of a purer past that has been "contaminated."

Just to make it sure, there aren't too many people in here who would actually subscribe to his ideas; the majority of ecoactivists and Green party members see him as a harmless eccentric at best, dangerous at worst.

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discourses that encourage a return to a more "natural" way of being are reactionary

well it depends what you consider is "progress". Living in a more natural way is a good goal in my book...

http://www.memo.fr/Media/JJR_000.jpg

I've met some people working in deep ecology who take Linkola's work seriously, while also accepting that he's yknow quite the nutter.

sry i didn't mean to say deep ecology, just environmental philosophy more generally.

It's a generalised anti-authority thing, though, isn't it? 'The man' as represented by the state or the medical industry. Refusal to be told what to do. Rejection of any and all research unless it confirms your pre-conceived notions. Taking individual negatives and rolling them up into a wider conspiracy. Etc.

― emil.y, Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:13 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

real talk when i see one of my lefty brethren start talking about vaccinations or GMOs or the 'suspicious death' of so and so that's when i reach for my pop gun

gbx had an otm post a month or so ago along those same lines

without going all paranoid/conspiracy theories, I think it's quite reasonable to have some doubts regarding the governments and big companies on health issues.
we've had many examples of scandals related to medication, food, environment, pollution, etc.
for instance HIV contaminated blood that was injected to sick patients in french hospitals in the 80s, lies about the radioactive cloud of Tchernobyl, the Mediator medication scandal, mad cow disease, etc.

absolutely! and i'm all about the spread of knowledge on that. i get looks when i talk about the CIA's involvement in the drug trade etc.

just saying that some of these things have solid historical evidence to back them up, and some don't. takes discerning.

interestingly, naturalnews was i think banned from facebook for a while? don't remember the deets, but it happened alongside the suspension of accounts of the alex jones/prisonplanet/infowars crew and a bunch of truther bullshit too. they eventually backed off

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/12/washingtons-blog-facebook-censors-prominent-political-critics.html (plz take that url with a grain of salt)

so yeah if your looking for a nice stew of crypto-racialist panic and dangerous body-fear quackery, check out naturalnews dot com!

*you're

oh yeah, CIA's involvement in drug trade is so obvious !
same as the more than active role of the british government, banks and big companies in spreading opium in China in the 19th century for commercial reasons... among the most cynical political decisions ever !

no time to link right now, but p 1 NYT story quotes assorted medical smartppl who believe this news will lead to premature / unnecessary mastectomies.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/opinion/carroll-jolie-mastectomy

on that note, this is kind of gauche but aaron carroll is the shit

great catherine!

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/06/angelina-jolie-film-catherine-the-great-simon-sebag-montefiore

I was hoping that her forthcoming By the Sea (starring herself and the husband as a troubled couple) would approach the worst of Taylor-Burton camp, but David Ehrlich sez

part EYES WIDE SHUT, part Red Shoe Diaries, part perfume commercial. if there's meat on this bone, i haven't been able to classify it, yet.

but the dude from A SUMMER'S TALE in a movie with Brad Pitt... not something i ever thought i'd live to see. so points for that?

first response hall of fame

naturalnews.com... all the news thats natch

― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 12:44 (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's a thing now where i revive threads and have no fucking idea what the succeeding posts mean.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/20/angelina-joile-files-for-divorce-brad-pitt/

http://www.cityam.com/249735/london-school-economics-lecturer-divorce-actor-husband

so Jolie has made a Khmer Rouge movie now, and...

guuhhh https://t.co/CjZ8CRl35L pic.twitter.com/NGFxgZMHSE

— Margaret Lyons (@margeincharge) July 26, 2017

can we get a movie of the making of this movie

this and the new Sean Penn should make for a great double feature