Humanism can go suck it

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Being "nice" and "understanding" people only leads to situations where everyone else fucks you over. And you "understand" why which makes it FIVE TIMES AS PAINFUL.

Nearly everyone under the age of 30 is a jerkoff operating on instinct, hormones, and self-centered delusion.

Fuck em.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't wanna screw, I just wanna post-coital cuddle.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Good. I'll send her over when I'm done.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I don't trust any of my close friends.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(the sad part, oops, is that you've just described my life)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

nice guys don't finish last, they don't even get to the starting lineup.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

you speak the truth. i too am bitter and have decided to shun the world. people can't be trusted! i can't even trust myself!

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The question is how I always put myself in situations where people's basic decency or lack thereof ever has a chance to come into play.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I've thought about what it would be like if I couldn't trust my closest friends, if I realized no one really gave a shit about me. Makes me shudder---if you can't trust those you know best and who know you best, where does that leave the rest of humanity.
BUT, the alternative to being a humanist is to put up the 'defensive asshole' shield, which just doesn't seem like a fun way to live.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes I feel the need to call friends in other cities just to reassure myself that wait, yeah, the idea of "ethics" isn't something that I just dreamed up on my own.

I never saw the "teaching people to be nice" part of the job description for "getting by" but somehow it worked its way in there.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

And then you think "yeah but I could really inflict some emotional damage back with not much work" and then you think "but that would just be sorta pointless" so you just sit and fucking stew instead.

And sometimes you explain to someone just why they're being hurtful in clear tones and then they get even more freaky and nasty to you.

I have some fucking martyr complex or something called "giving a damn".

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)

And sometimes I feel like the only person on the planet whose idea of emotional connection involves talking and thinking about, y'know, the world.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope your mom is proud of you Sterling. Oh I'm kidding, but trust me you're not the only one.

You know what? If your friends betray you, cut them off. If you lack the nerve for revenge, don't do it because it'll make you feel unnatural and wrong. Just cut them off. When they call, talk fast and hang up before they can explain themselves. It works.

If you find that far too many people are fucking you over at once, check if you're the one that's doing something wrong.

Dancing Queen, Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate myself and want to die.

Kurt Cobain, Thursday, 13 November 2003 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)

then i'll have no friends at all!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Guh, don't get me started! Not being a sufficiently heartless bitch keeps biting me in the arse!

I finally broke up w the Boyfriendthing last month, after six months of Understanding and Supporting him through his post-grad study [translation, was ignored for large stretches, blamed as distraction for lack of study progress - during said stretches of ignoredness, mind - and periodically used as Emotional Dartboard]. Eventually realised that even his ex was ahead of me in his priorities, & being taken for granted/blamy own state of mind.

Unfortunately being so bloody Understanding and Supportive meant i had to still be nice and friendly to him in all his "I Don't Know What's Wrong I Thought We Were So Happy" incredulity. And today, after following me around for a month demanding reconciliation & to know what went wrong for the 57th time [apparently the other 56 answers suggested he was in some teensy tiny way responsible, and therefore null and void], he announced that actually he'd gone off me months ago, found Political Science sexier than me, was glad he was single...oh, and we're still friends, right?

In future ima get the "Objectified Toy Boy Plaything" t-shirt printed in advance. Kwp-schh.

petra jane (petra jane), Thursday, 13 November 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

streling- how abtbeing nice even ppl are nasty to you so you make 'em feel guilty abt it?

Unless you think ppl are like the fascists in pasolini's 'salo' (which means that wouldn't work).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 November 2003 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i may be too nice

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

sterl ru on-line, i just emailed u on this addy

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 November 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

hi petra jane!!

Sterling (I almost just wrote "SterLONG") your photos from the NYC FAP really freaked me out! You lost all your "baby fat"!!

Epictetus comes in really handy in these situations, Sterling. I recommend.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

sterling, i'm totally with you. the part i'm having the most trouble with is that while i'm the one who's really and truly being fucked over, i'm being tricked into believing that it's me who's the bad one. amazing how much of other peoples' guilt i let get projected back onto me. "self-centered delusion" is rampant amongst my friends, acquaintances, peers, etc...

to a certain extent, i can accept that people can be assholes. and they're not always going to behave according to my expectations and all that. but where do you draw the line? i mean, "okay, i can deal with the fact that you don't exactly know how to treat me with respect and compassion. that's totally fine! yes, just go ahead and stick that knife in there a little deeper, i don't mind. i mean, i 'understand' that this is just the way you are!" shit.

And sometimes I feel like the only person on the planet whose idea of emotional connection involves talking and thinking about, y'know, the world.

i hear ya.

crazy biotch, Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

thing is, "the world" also includes the stuff the other person considers "emotional connection" even if you consider it boring

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

bah. sorry I didn't read the thread properly a few hours ago.

hope the hurt you're feeling fades away quickly and that you can somehow move on.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

What happens when you feel like this AND you're emotionally remote to the point where you can't even be bothered to really get upset about it?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

http://design.open.ac.uk/images/MaxGrace.jpg

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(= you win the world robot dance competition!)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

best picture ever

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

lock the thread!

Dale the Titled (cprek), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

sterl your only mistake is the "under 30" part.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

got a phone call this morning which restores at least some of my faith in at least one person.

feeling slightly better.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad you are feeling better, Sterling.

In my experience, some people will take advantage of your opening up, and use it against you. But in my experience, they are in a minority compared to those with whom this makes your relationship stronger. I think I've gained a lot more than I've lost by this, and I think my life would have been poorer without it - so I'll keep putting a fair degree of faith in others, with a bit of caution where I don't really trust the person (this is fairly rare), and I'll be happy if it turns out roughly as it has so far.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 13 November 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes it's not that people don't, but that they can't.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

NB: I don't think "humanism" has much to do with "being nice", although Xtianity was once, a long time ago, supposed to promote that love thy neighbor, forgive your brother seventy times seven times, sort of thingmabob. I believe humanism has more to do with measuring good and bad according to human needs, desires, and abilities rather than by whatever the diety issued as the Order of the Day.

Aimless, Friday, 14 November 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Nearly everyone under the age of 30 is a jerkoff operating on instinct, hormones, and self-centered delusion.

It's dangerous to think this way, because you can lose your ability to distinguish between asshats and normal people.

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 14 November 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil, Friday, 14 November 2003 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

christine the point was that asshats ARE the normal human condition.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 14 November 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
GE is talking about it. So are American Express and eBay. It’s at the
top of the agenda at the world’s leading companies, from consumer electronics to pharmaceuticals. As ever, it’s at the heart of small business. It’s global, from China to Brazil to India. Governments are onto it. So is academia. It’s hard to pin down. And yet you can sum it up in a single question. What Makes You Special?

-- From IBM advertising campaign, spring 2006

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

it's like IBM is tryina get out of ol' winesburg, ohio!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

isn't china still communist?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

how dare you suggest the chinese don't thirst for the same selfishness we enjoy

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Yet sad sacks still believe they got it all figured out. Despite the fact that their lives and outlook on life sucks shit.

Hmm, Friday, 10 March 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

I wondered why eggs had to be and why from the egg came the hen who again laid the egg. The question got into my blood. It has stayed there, I imagine, because I am the son of my father. At any rate, the problem remains unsolved in my mind. And that, I conclude, is but another evidence of the complete and final triumph of the egg--at least as far as my family is concerned.

George Willard (TRG), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)


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