an epilogue of sorts to the 'kill bill' thread

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last friday: a friend is up to come and see her flatmate's b/f act in a play, 'serjeant musgrave's dance', a possibly brechtian 50s left-wing play about some british soldiers who desert and turn agitprop. in other words, momus-tastic, i should think.

we arrive at the theatre and there's a problem: one of the main actresses is ill, and the solution is someone reading her lines from offstage and the rest acting along. interesting in formal terms, perhaps -- like an edward yang film. but not for 15 quid and not on friday night.

the ladies opt to see 'intolerable cruelty' at the kino instead... but i've seen it. and opt for 'kill bill'. now, both were sold out, but there ya have it -- for all the posturing, when push came to shove, i abandoned the formally innaresting agitprop experience for the cheap thrills of tarantion. so maybe i don't seserve a place in the cluster bunch.

― enrique (Enrique), Friday, 14 November 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the poster for kill bill makes it look like a remake of the italian job. alternatively it looks like a 1974 advert for castrol gtx

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 14 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah -- how bad does uma look? is it deliberate?

― enrique (Enrique), Friday, 14 November 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

bad?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 November 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

it looks more like an advert for imaginary video game Taxi Bitch

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 November 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

that bad. she looks okay in the still i've seen, but the poster is weak.

― enrique (Enrique), Friday, 14 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

We must strive to make this "Taxi Bitch" a reality.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

what would make a better poster for the film?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Little scraps of the posters of every kung fu, anime, vigilante, gore and spaghetti western film ever made?

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Best film I saw recently: a ten minute art video by Jem Finer and Ansuman Biswas called 'Zero genie'. Two genies straight out of Aladdin are smoking hookah pipes and sitting on carpets in a transport aircraft of the type used to train astronauts. The plane goes into free fall, creating a state of zero gravity. The genies begin to float around the plane, their carpets beneath them. Hilarious. The scene repeats about 8 times. It's really happening, no special effects.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Little scraps of the posters of every kung fu, anime, vigilante, gore and spaghetti western film ever made?

i quite like this idea actually. it should have been proper photo-montage style anyway, sort of like the Goldfrapp 'Black Cherry' CD cover but better.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, Momus? Using a stunt plane to make someone float into the air is a special effect.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Dan, they were really in space and they were really genies.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 14 November 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

wow i need to go to this cinema!

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 November 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmm, Momus's head doesn't seem to be listed in this auditorium guide

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 November 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, Momus? Using a stunt plane to make someone float into the air is a special effect.

Well, they didn't resort to rubbing lamps or using Silicon Graphics workstations, is what I meant. Just good ole Mother Nature and her force of gravity.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 14 November 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

rockist.

(j/k)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 14 November 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"I WANT AN ACTUAL LIGHTSABER TO CUT OFF MARK HAMILL'S HAND."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

They didn't resort to computer graphics, they simply went out and HIRED A STUNT CARGO PLANE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

and GENIES.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 14 November 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

which probably cost much much more! ha ha! best argument ever!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Who knew so much merriment could come from semantics?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

and special effects technology don't forget!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(does sound like a cool little movie though)

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

UT: Long time before production he called me up and he was all kind of blushy and nervous on the phone and he said, "Uma I'm gonna read you something and I feel really bad about it and you can have any reaction you want". And he proceeded to read me a far meatier version of the "fuck Buck" scene.

Anyway he just read me the goriest, most violent, multi-Frances Farmer style sequence complete with a fantasy sequence that went on and on and I went to Hell …

QT: …You loved the Hell part

UT: The villain ended up having his behind smacked by a cloven footed-

QT: …Yeah I'll describe it. After she kills Buck, and bashes his head in with the door, it cut to a title card and said: "One week later … In HELLLLLLLL" [bellows theatrically] and all these centaurs and minotaurs are lining up to gang fuck Buck, alright, he's held down and this minotaur with a big blue veiny dick comes out and is just ramming it up his ass. The cloven hoof is smacking his cheek. The devils are laughing; they're playing little violins to his pain…

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 November 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

momus have you seen kazaam?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

that interview reminds me, i saw a quote somewhere by Tarantino proclaiming that the real reason people like A Clockwork Orange is the first 20 minutes, and that's the part people really want to watch.

― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

strangely OTM, for him

― thom west (thom w), Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Gosh, I wish he'd included the Hell sequence in the movie; that would've been hott.

― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

speaking of epilogues, i watched these movies again this weekend.

vol. 1 - totally holds up and is pretty awesome
vol. 2 - so much worse than i remember; so long; so boring, so much filler

in conclusion: shoulda kept it one movie, 3 hrs, 2 from vol. 1, 1 from vol. 2

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

dude part 1 doesn't even have 2 hrs

― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

i was guesstimating

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Vol. 2 would have kinda sucked by itself, but it rides on the energy of vol. 1 in a way that doesn't bother me.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

i had forgotten how loooooooong it feels, especially the second half, where she goes to see the mexican pimp, meets her daughter, watches a video with her, gets shot with a truth serum, talks to billzzzzzzzzzzzz...

and i still think it's cheap that she doesn't even kill michael madsen's character, wtf

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Vol 2 is a bit long, I agree. whenever I try to watch both back-to-back I usually lose interest somewhere around after Elle Driver knocks off Bud.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

i will give vol. 2 these things:

training seq is ok
coffin seq is good
fight with elle is good

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I agree with that assessment - the actual killing of Bill is pretty anticlimactic.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

good parts of v.2:

wedding
fight with Elle
the Bud story up to Bud shooting her (the coffin sequence is kind of meh)

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

Vol. 2 would have kinda sucked by itself, but it rides on the energy of vol. 1 in a way that doesn't bother me.

-- Jordan (jordan...), March 28th, 2006.

otm

― latebloomer: band to the planet mars (latebloomer), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the wedding scene is actually pretty good. if too long.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

the credit sequence in 2 pwns all, though.

― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

the opening credits or "uma thurman as MOMMY"?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember it?

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

incidentally, uma thurman is fucking terrific in these movies.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

i can't actually think of an american actress who could have pulled it off any better than she did

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

or would want to.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

and i was really never a big fan! but i think she totally nails it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

zing!

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

gear and slocki are otm, even though the actual killing of Bill is a bit anti-climatic (QT ran out of steam or something? Though I still think the "Of course he did" line is funny as hell), it still works cos she totally pulls it off. But yeah the mommy stuff goes on too long.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

did QT want the audience to go "AW!" at that moment?

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

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stone cold thug OTM. The first part only works for me because it leads into the far superior second part. Tarantino's action direction leaves me kind of cold frankly and it's no where as exciting as the movie's it is ripping off.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

well the pregnancy test scene does give you the crucial moment of her leaving! and it's much more entertaining than the hour of movie leading up to it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

The snake-in-the-money scene is worth it for Darryl Hannah reading Bud the Fun Snake Facts she found on teh internets.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

and for the crap in between the buttons on the blender

― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

haha i noticed that too

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

All the Hong Kong movies I've seen are complete and utter crap - from '70s b-movies to Hero/Crouching Tiger/etc.. Kill Bill 1 is like a Martial Arts movie if you made it good, funny and interesting. They don't take the kung fu mythos seriously, there's only one long fight sequence (and it's hilarious), and the tiny woman from Ally McBeal is my favorite movie character in recent movies.

I totally forgot the hotel scene, that was great. Really, I think I got tired of the endless Mexican Pimp/family bonding crap that seems to make Vol. 2 last forever. The rest of the sequences are pretty good (though never as good as O-Ren's anime backstory or her boardroom speech).

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

"All the Hong Kong movies I've seen are complete and utter crap "

you are insane.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think it depends on how much you get off on technically-skilled kung fu fighting without any real drama. I don't.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

part 2 is easily my favorite of the 2 to the point that I have no interest in watching 1 again and would watch 2 anytime it was on television.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

2 is probably the worst QT film. I'd go Jackie Brown>KB1>Reservoir Dogs>Pulp Fiction>KB2 (or reverse Res. Dogs and Pulp Fiction).

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

There are so many things wrong with that last sentence (and the preceding paragraph too actually) that I can't imagine where I would start tearing it apart. Suffice it to say the two or three Hong Kong movies you may have actually seen (hint: neither Crouching Tiger and Hero were made in HK) are probably not representative of the totality of the films produced there in the last 40 plus years.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

were NOT made, ahem. And that was an xpost to the previous sentence (and paragraph.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but do you think he'd like those either? I doubt it. It's an acquired taste.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

No, I don't. But the problem (if there is one) with Hong Kong films or martial arts films is certainly not that they "take the kung fu mythos seriously". I mean WTF?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

The best of John Woo's HK films (The Killer, A Better Tomorrow, Bullet in the Head) = zero kung fu.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

I only just saw these (this?) for the first time recently, and I'm still very attached to the whole thing. I didn't find the second part excessively slow at all, and the scene in which she kills Bill worked perfectly well for me. It was appropriate that it be different, more about their relationship. The very fact that she killed him in a way that came as a complete surprise to him seemed significant (because of the way she eluded his attempts to know her--e.g., the truth serum section, which was about a particular issue, but also seemed to reflect a broader pattern of the difficulties he had getting to the bottom of her).

What is happening near the very end when she is breaking down on the bathroom floor? This may be a really stupid idea, but is it possible that the euphoria effect of the truth serum has been delayed? And if that's the case, is it possible that the serum never really took hold while Bill was interrogating her?

(I have stopped renting DVDs for the moment, but once I am in my new apartment, toward the middle of next month, I'll be watching more, especially more martial arts films. I saw a couple minutes of "House of Flying Daggers" and now I really want to see that.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - Well, yes, obviously they weren't made in Hong Kong, and neither was KB. They remain in the 'Hong Kong' tradition - or else you can simply call them martial arts movies. That works too.

But, no, I haven't seen all fourty years of movies (hence 'that I've seen') and I have no desire to. Martial arts movies, from what I've seen and from what I can tell of their fandom and off-shoots (ala the Matrix) are interested in form and choreography more than anything I like.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

xpost again - not taking things seriously was a comment on KB1 and what I liked about it. The scenes inside the sushi house, O-Ren getting her top lopped off (silly white girl thinks she can play with samurai sword and so on), the training sequence in two all appeal to me more than other martial arts movies I've seen. (And while some I've seen are funny, that didn't seem to be on purpose.)

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

Those Woo films would be yakuza/triad films, right? I thought it was fairly explicit in my first post that I was referring to the Hong Kong martial arts tradition that Kill Bill parodies/is an homage to.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

I figured it was just the weird feeling of completing a huge burden, combined with killing the love of her life / father of her child, plus the shock of discovering that she has her daughter and that her daughter is alive. A very exhausting thing, emotionally speaking.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

yakuza are Japanese.

I find it laughable that anyone could appreciate the martial arts stuff in Tarantino's work while slagging off the very obvious and directly referenced source material.

There are plenty of kung fu comedies where the laughs are intentional - Drunken Master springs to mind, as does most of Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung's ouevre (The Postman!!)

There are so many things wrong with the conclusions you're drawing I don't know where to start, I almost don't have the time...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

I hated most of these movies... and I LIKE QT!

Speaking of, the QT has been in San Francisco for the past month, making frequent mid-day appearances at Zeitgeist and getting ridiculously drunk (incl. passing out and puking).

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

(note that Tarantino lifted several bits SHOT-FOR-SHOT from "A Better Tomorrow" for "Reservoir Dogs")

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

There are so many things wrong with the conclusions you're drawing I don't know where to start, I almost don't have the time...

If he doesn't like them, should he just be dishonest and pretend to like them?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

(x-post)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

(note that Tarantino lifted several bits SHOT-FOR-SHOT from "A Better Tomorrow" for "Reservoir Dogs")

Stephen Chow lifted several bits SHOT-FOR-SHOT from "Pulp Fiction" in "Sixty Million Dollar Man"

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

is it 'a better tomorrow' or 'city on fire'?

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think writing off a whole genre/school of filmmaking based upone generalizations and second-hand references (the Matrix?! Crouching Tiger?!?) is willfully ignorant.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

(oh shit it is City on Fire, the robbery at the end - sorry!)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I feel funny even asking, since she obviously has more than one life time's worth of emotionally wrenching experiences. I still feel like there is some mystery about it. She's so alone at that moment, but then, she couldn't really begin to share all of that with a child, so it makes sense that she would be alone. Maybe the only reason I even thought about the other possibility is that I was afraid maybe she was going to die at that point, that whatever Bill had shot her with would actually take her life ultimately, and they'd both be dead. (I really didn't know much about the movie going into it.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

The whole Keitel/Roth subplot of Reservoir Dogs was lifted from City on Fire. Of course a large portion of the plot of Kill Bill was lifted directly from The Bride Wore Black too heh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

yakuza are Japanese.
That's why I slashed it with triad. The Japanese yakuza and Chinese/HK triad films share more than a little in common, no?

I think writing off a whole genre/school of filmmaking
What part of 'that I've seen' is difficult to read? I never claimed to be an expert in the field - the films I have seen were bad enough (including, if not especially the Jackie Chan films mentioned) that I have no desire to watch hundreds more.

Undoubtedly Tarantino has borrowed liberally from HK source material - but I'm not sure why I should care. He does it better, with more flair, and has only subjected me to one long, fight sequence that pays off with Evil Dead-laughs more than anything.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, when is the whole movie gonna arrive?

I've read that "Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" is supposed to arrive in theaters later this year. Does anyone know if TWBA is going to be the same complete cut QT apparently screened at that 2005 Cannes Film Festival?

I just googled it and found this quote (which I've read before): "'I want to cut the whole movie together like one big epic with an intermission in the middle like a 60s film,' explained the iconic director. 'It'll be coming out in theatres.'"

I hope that's true! I love both volumes of Kill Bill but have only ever seen them on DVD and cable. It would be very exciting to see the whole thing on the big screen.

― Mama Roux (Mama Roux), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

the bit with the mexican pimp is the only part of 2 that i really liked! mainly cos the guy gos "mmmhhhbeeeeehhhhhllllmmmmm" every time. that and "cut your face" comes out "hhghaat yor hhfehhhsss."

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

i still stand by 'intolerable cruelty'. never got round to 'kill bill 2'.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Tarantino has borrowed liberally from HK source material ...He does it better, with more flair

hahahahahaha ... maybe with more Office Space-style flair.

btw, catch Sydney Pollack's The Yakuza w/ Mitchum whenever you can. (no US video)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

It is understandable (but incorrect) to accuse HK films of lacking emotional depth, but to accuse them of lacking flair is patently ridiculous.

― chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

i want to add that i think KB1's major flaw is when the final mega-action-climax goes into black & white. i guess it was a ratings thing? but it kills that sequence. kills it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

I've read that "Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" is supposed to arrive in theaters later this year.

Hmm, nice. I suppose I'll finally catch it there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

i want to add that i think KB1's major flaw is when the final mega-action-climax goes into black & white. i guess it was a ratings thing? but it kills that sequence. kills it.

Madness. That's the exact moment when that scene becomes unbearably awesome (followed shortly thereafter by the even awesomer silhouette scene).

― Dan (Say Yes To Fun, People!) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

The silhouette scene is fantastic.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

The B&W switch doesn't bother me as much as the sudden and really badly segued music switch when that happens. Neither of them bother me very much.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

i love the silhouette sequence! but the b&w switch takes me totally out of the fight

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

the silhouette scene is the one scene in the movie that I think can genuinely called "comic book-y" (mostly because it seems like a direct homage to Frank Miller's Daredevil/Wolverine ninja-fight sequences). Works great on-screen.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

i think that's the point, its a fight like that can only really be appreciated in an aesthetic sense anyway - it flips to black & white & yr head tilts, you become curiours & detatched instead of viscerally involved in a way that can't be sustained.

i think i may have been totally wrong abt the pregnancy test scene but i felt similarly 'taken out' at the time by the cleverness of the concept, or the way it was executed, or where it was placed, or something. cuz i mean looking back it does SEEM like it should've been cool & funny.

― tcm, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

KB 2 is still banging

― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 6 October 2012 19:13 (thirteen years ago)

Pacing is mesmerizing, a part of me wishes it were longer

― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 6 October 2012 19:27 (thirteen years ago)

I just noticed for the first time that the Johnny Cash song on the soundtrack cuts off when MM thought he heard something, and returned when he stopped looking out the window, a few minutes before UT burst in

― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 6 October 2012 19:33 (thirteen years ago)

I forgot how intense and intimidating Uma can be in this role, damn

― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 6 October 2012 20:02 (thirteen years ago)

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