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Single parenthood by choice. . .how do you feel about this?
Is it irresponsible? Can it be a well-informed choice? Is it advisable?

I feel I'm quickly coming upon a do or die moment as to whether or not I will be a mother. A parenting partner does not ever equate itself into my projections of this. Am I naive? How should I proceed?

FWIW, every single mother I've spoke to about this say I should go ahead the sooner the better.

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Sunday, 16 November 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think that it is irresponsible to be a single mother, if the father is out of the picture 1) by choice 2)because of substance abuse or mental disturbance. otherwise, the father should be part of the child's life, definitley. if this is not possible, you can do it on your own, though granted, everything will be harder. that is not to say that it will be impossible or unhappy. this will be the time of your life, i would guess!

Emilymv (Emilymv), Sunday, 16 November 2003 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

how about choosing to have a child and not caring about the possible father's feelings? (e.g. choosing to exclude the father regardless of how he feels)

Keep in mind this is not something I say that I would do. . .I'm just gathering opinions and ideas.

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Sunday, 16 November 2003 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

wrong, for sure the father of the child has at least as much say as the mother, period. to precede with having the child otherwise would be wrong, i think.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Sunday, 16 November 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Samantha, be very very careful. You're not just changing your own life here. There are three people involved in this business, and all of them have rights.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 16 November 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

at least three.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 November 2003 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the child may ask why the father has been excluded, and, although they will most likely accept any explanation when younger, may well attempt to find out more later, which could put the mother in a difficult position as time goes by, and possibly harm the relationship with the child. also, even if this doesnt happen, there may well be the worry that this will happen, which might be almost as problematic as the actuality

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 16 November 2003 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The above comments are true - there are serious risks to this. If you are seriously contemplating it, do think carefully about how you would go about getting pregnant, how your life would be through pregnancy and the early years in particular of bringing up the child. A good pair of parents is better than one parent, but one good parent is better than most kids get, I think.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 16 November 2003 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

But what about a situation like a sperm donor where the "father" has knowingly given up his right to be involved... how does this change things? I think if you definitely do not want a father involved whatsoever, than you need to go down this route instead of messing with someone's rights.

Mandee (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 16 November 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as choosing single parenthood intentionally, I can see the appeal. But I'm not sure I could go through it alone.

Mandee (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 16 November 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The most selfish thing you can do is bring life into the world.

The person you bring in has no voice in the matter--it is all yours.

That person will rely on you for everything.

It takes two people to create life. I really don't understand why anyone would want to be the only participant or caregiver.

I think you are very naive but it doesn't make you a bad person at all. If you are so intent on being a parent then adopt.

don weiner, Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

How does adopting change any of that?

I feel like defending the single parent side here. I guess I have more exposure to the worst side of couples than most - my ex-wife worked in and then ran a refuge for victims of domestic violence for years, and as well as being a genuine expert in this area, she sat on the child protection committee, overseeing the actions of social services, in our local area - but I'd be surprised if a majority of children have two good parents who don't abuse them, one way or another. I'm sure that one good, loving parent (and I certainly don't think Sam is naive!) is far better than growing up with a bad one. I think Sam's child would be better off than most.

I worry a bit about whether you could cope happily though, Sam. I'd be worried about money, for instance, as your career position sounds to be less than completely secure right now.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 16 November 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

my friend Laur13 is having a child as a single mother (sperm bank, the whole thing) at the age of 37. she gave up on finding 'the perfect guy' and has decided, quite rightly, that she is in the proper position to do this all herself. she has an awesome job and lots of family and friend support and she made the decision that works out best for her life. my wife, who has never been in this position, says she would have done the same thing, and maybe not even waited that long.

sam you're not up on any 'do or die' position yet. make the decision based on where you are right now in life. raising a kid takes a lot of resources, the LEAST important of which is finances. emotional support is key, and other trustable people around to give you a break sometimes. if these factors are in place, and you truly feel like you are ready, then hey, who are any of us to say you nay? but don't do it just because you think there's some kind of biological clock ticking. laur13's last checkup indicated that she's got a nice healthy little girl in there. you could wait another decade and still be fine, no?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 16 November 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

most people on ilx having children scares the living shit out of me.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

actually all the people WITH children seem to be fairly well adjusted, and all the people without are the raving mentalists, so maybe children are the equation for mental stability.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

how much does a good baby go for on the black market these days?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mark 'em up, sell 'em on."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

in any event, i can't imagine why anyone "our" age (i forget exactly how old you are sam, but i assume it's close enough) would want to have a child, especially alone. as i said on the "parents" thread a few minutes ago, my mother had me for three years by the time she was my age, and my sister for one. while her life was effectively over from that point on, it was especially over a year or so later when my mom and dad divorced. my mom struggled with two kids on her own for about two years (oddly enough the happiest memories of my little life) before she moved us with my (future) stepfather, mostly because i think she couldn't take doing it alone anymore. somehow they built a 20 year marriage out of this fear and inability of raising children alone. and now, once the responsibility has gone, it's falling apart. i don't really know what my point is except: CHILDREN ALONE IN YOUR 20s = BAD BAD BAD.

if you really want a kid, adopt once you're in your 30s and have your own shit sorted out. it's better for almost everyone.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was 32 when my first son was born and now with two sons I don't know why anyone would want to do it alone. It's such a selfish decision to have kids, and the most unfair thing to do is to bring them into the world if you're unsure about it or unsure whether or not you could handle it. I don't know how single mothers do it, except out of pure desperation because there is no other option.

It's fucking unbearably tiring, and that's even with two people involved in the parenting. To say your life is over when kids come is in some ways an understatement.

don weiner, Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Boys with dads usually hate them, boys without dads grow up to be unbelievable fuckups. Have a girl, they usually do OK whatever the situ

dave q, Sunday, 16 November 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"boys with dads usually hate them"???

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 16 November 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't adopt.
It sounds good, but what the adoption agency won't tell you is that the child is probably severely emotionally disturbed because think about who gives their kids up for adoption: living in chaos, on drugs, alcohol etc. I've recently come to see this in my job, where the kids that end up in residential mental health facilities are adopted. One couple adopted two kids from another county who hid a family history of mental illness, drug abuse, and the fact that the kids witnessed hardcore violence and abuse as toddlers--now both are fucked up irreparably and can't even attend regular schools. I wouldn't advise anyone to adopt unless they *know* the parents.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

where the hell did my last entry go?

anyway i'm not planning anything, just thinking. wanted to get the ilx take on the subject.

Orbit, but aren't these children precisely the ones who need loving parents? Emotionally distrubed children have the right to a family as well and nobody said raising kids was easy.

I'll be in 30 in 3 weeks and part of me would want to still be relatively young when my child graduated and moved out. Would hate to be the oldest paretn at pta, etc.

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish you could talk to the parents. if you have the infinite money and time to have your entire life devoted to taking care of emotionally disturbed kids, go for it!

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Single parenthood by choice. . .how do you feel about this?
Is it irresponsible? Can it be a well-informed choice? Is it advisable?

I have no qualms about it, though I tend to think of it as something an older woman does in an attempt to bring meaning to her life (see Murphy Brown). I think it's only well-informed if you have the financial stabiltiy to pull it off (let alone emotional stability).

A parenting partner does not ever equate itself into my projections of this. Am I naive? How should I proceed?

I would definitely suggest adoption, or some sort of set-up where the likely lad knows that he is to impegnate you -- I think that only works in the movies though -- so I would suggest adoption.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, orbit, should these useless kids just be executed?

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

troll-la-la

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 17 November 2003 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i have been/am currently and prolly will be for ever a single parent. its a choice i would not make again . its unbelievably hard being solely responsible for another person as well as yourself. i am well supported and now earn plenty of money and my daughter is a reasonably well adjusted 15 year old and i still find it hard going on many levels. i wouldnt be without her for anything but its a huge committment for ever!!

hellbaby (hellbaby), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Considering the fact that I do not envision myself ever getting married or even being the type of individual whom someone would want to get married to, single parenthood would most definitely be the default way that I myself would become a parent. I am absolutely too young to become a parent at present, but once I reach the age of 31, I'm absolutely going to start to think about things. I don't want to become pregnant, either -- I don't see that as something I will ever be ready for, plus I've been told that it would be rather difficult for me to become pregnant if indeed I wanted that to happen, so I would definitely choose adoption as the preferred method for me to become a parent.

Oh yes, and would you consider me a complete waste or a fuckup? People give up children for adoption because of economic reasons too, fyi. There could be, for example, a 20-year-old waitress who just barely graduated from high school, who found school very difficult and finds life highly difficult, who got orphaned at a very young age and who has lived on her own since she was 18, who works very hard for a very small amount of money, who gives birth to a healthy baby and decides she can't handle the fiscal responsibilities behind becoming a mother, and so she gives up this baby for adoption, hoping that the baby will land with a couple who will give said baby a stable, comfortable home life and a lot more than this very young waitress could EVER give. Doesn't this baby deserve a home?

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(Note: This is not my life story. Just the story of someone else.)

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the notion that the primary element used in defining whether someone would make a "good" parent is based in financial realms.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

If 30 is the deadline crunch age, then my god, I'm screwed. I made a pact with myself that if I wasn't in a stable relationship by the time I was 35, I'd go it alone.

Citizen Kate (kate), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

How is that a troll, Orbit? It's a good question. What exactly do you suggest people do with these malforms?

Allyzay, Monday, 17 November 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought she was admitting that she was trolling.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Make hats out of them!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

asshats!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Use them as servants?

Allyzay, Monday, 17 November 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Samantha, I think that even if you *were* the oldest mum at PTA you'd still be the coolest. More importantly, things are changing wrt the age we have kids these days - I'm pretty sure you've got a LONG way to go before you'd be the oldest.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally is otm, it is a good question. Also not all children given up for adoption are emotionally disturbed, it's a bit of a sweeping statement to make.

Sam - if you feel 30 is a do or die age then so be it, but imho i dont see it as that. Although that said, if I was due to turn 30 & was not in the position to have kids with a partner, then it is soemthing i would give serious consideration to. I would hope i would have the strength of character to cope with a child on my own, but I really dont know if i would.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This question is particularly poignant to me right now after being out with my strong, independent, financially stable, well supported best friend on Saturday night who has just had a baby. The father doesn’t want to know (long, long story) She’s the strongest person I know but she is finding it extremely hard emotionally to be a single parent and just cannot fathom her daughters father not wanting to know her. While being on her own has it’s benefits (no interfering grandparents for a start, complete autonomy, unconditional love all for yourself etc etc) she’s still wrestling with what she tells her daughter when she’s older.

Also, my boyf’s situation, where his ex wants him to disappear out of his kids lives forever to make it easier for her to get on with her life - I’ve seen what it’s doing to him and his children (I know it’s different coz he got to know his children and vice versa) and it’s not pretty.

I’m not a parent, so I’m not really qualified to give an opinion but recent experiences make me think, if you can have a father for your children, do so.

smee (smee), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the notion that the primary element used in defining whether someone would make a "good" parent is based in financial realms.

What if it comes to the point where the pregnant woman, were she to choose to keep the baby, ended up finding herself having to choose between feeding herself and feeding her baby, both of which would be disastrous choices? Or what if the woman is barely making ends meet at that moment, and would end up being pushed past the breaking point by the presence of another individual whom she'd have to care for?

It wouldn't be an issue if she would be a "good" parent; she'd actually be better off giving the child up for adoption so she could send the child off to a better and more stable home life than the one she could provide.

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)


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