TS: The Wizard of Oz & LOTR (films)

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munchkinland vs. the shire
saruman vs. the wicked witch of the west
the fellowship vs. the scarecrow, tinman & lion
"somewhere over the rainbow" vs that enya song
orcs vs flying monkees

etc.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

the ring vs ruby slippers
the wizard of oz vs gandalf
etc.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

dorothy vs. frodo

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

WOZ by merciless first-round KO

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

on a symbolic level its TS Hallucingens vs, Heroin

L Frank Baum was well known for putting poppy references, and political references, and Harrison Act subtexts in his stories, AND I'll be damned if Gollum isn't the ultimate junkie and the Ring is his fix. Discuss!

― Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

but poppies = heroin

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

not at that time.
poppies=smoking opium--a hallucinogenic experience, visions etc.
Heroin was refined into injectable form later.

― Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Heroin pre-dates Wizard of Oz

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me clarify--
In the 1800's poppies were cut and the opium was smoked, producing visions (Kubla Khan and all that).
In the mid-1800s it was used in the battlefield under the refined form known as morphine. Many wounded Confederate soldiers in the American South became addicted to it during the Civil War (1865). Morphine was commonly used in patent medicines, and cocaine was used in Coca-Cola.
a bit later, morphine was further refined into herion, which was used as a tooth powder.
The Harrison Act in the early 1900s made it all illegal. Much political/power/social undertones went with that legislation.

― Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I got WOZ on DVD last year and when watching it again for the first time I was annoyed at how it seemed every dangerous situation was suddenly resolved in two seconds.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

when frodo, sam and gollum are peering over that ridge at the gates of Mordor, I think Jackson paying homage to WOZ... the guards could have started singing oh-wee-oh wo-oh at any moment.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Oz by a country mile.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, this is like Foreman v. Fraizer...

― ModJ (ModJ), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

All the characters in Wizard are so distinctly "good" or "bad", whereas with LoTR stuff there's less easy distinction, "bad" people doing things that are good, "good" people doing bad, it's madness! And that's one reason I love it so.

"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto" vs. "if [hobbit] from the Shire could see us now, Mr. Frodo"
Isengard drowned in an unleashed river vs. wicked witch "I'm melting" water-as-WMD-to-the-wicked

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

but the Wizard is kind of a good guy doing bad things... I mean he sends them off to get the witch's broomstick just to get rid of them, right?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but can you play "Dark Side of the Moon" along with LOTR.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure in 1973 or so it was a required soundtrack for reading it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

The Wizard of Oz is going to be on Xmas TV.

― the wizfox, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

flying Monkees >>>>>> flying monkeys

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Wizard of Id vs LOTR?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Wollner is right, comparisons are possible.

Watching some of the film this xmas showed me one thing: that it has only one great song.

― the wizfox, Sunday, 28 December 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

i hope the pinefox was referring to the lion's "if i were king of the forest" song, because that's clearly the most beyond-criticism song of all time, ever.

i just watched oz for the first time in about 15 years and i've got to say it's a lot funnier than i realized when i was a kid.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

oz the tv show right?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

The short 1910 silent version, The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz was on TCM the other day and it was pretty cool and Melies-like. There was also apparently a really bad and offensive version in 1925.

― The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

imdb description of the 1925 versh:

A Toymaker tells a bizarre story about how the Land of Oz was ruled by Prince Kynd, but he was overthrown by Prime Minister Kruel. Dorothy learns from Aunt Em that fat, cruel Uncle Henry is not her uncle, and gives her a note due on her eighteenth birthday, which reveals she is actually Princess Dorothea of Oz, and is supposed to marry Prince Kynd. She, Uncle Henry , and two farmhands are swept to Oz by a tornado. Snowball, a black farmhand soon joins them after a lightning bolt chases him into the sky. They land in Oz, where the farmhands try to avoid capture. Semon becomes a scarecrow, Hardy briefly disguises himself as a Tin Woodman, and Snowball is given a Lion suit by the Wizard, which he uses to scare the Pumperdink guards.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, this makes Samwise the equivalent of Toto.

― 100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

Also, WTF with the Dark Side of the Moon/WOZ thing? Okay, you sync them up and a few goofy coincidences make your pot addled brain go "like whoa dude!" No prob so far. Stupid, but no prob.

The trouble is that Wizard of Oz is 101 minutes long, and Dark Side of the Moon is only what? 40-45 minutes? That leaves over half the movie running there with no sountrack. So now what - do you play "Wish You Were Here" or just turn off the TV or what?

― 100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently you could put it on for the second time.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

Glynn = The Cowardly Lion
Schillinger = The Tin Man
Keller = The Scarecrow
Beecher = Dorothy

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

I accidentally tivoed the 1925 version this weekend (I was trying to tivo the REAL WoZ for my son who's never seen it). Worst tivo mixup yet.

― you can email me if you wish to challenge the truth (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

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