This doesn't mean I'm definetely on the jury for this case, but I really wanted...fuck that, NEEDEDHOW DO I ENSURE MY DISMISSAL FROM THIS JURY? I'm going into work to have my boss draft a letter explaining what a hardship it will be for my department to lose my services for such a potentially lengthy period. My wife is very much indeed pregnant....I'm somewhat shocked that didn't sway them in my favour. Just shy of threatening to be a distracted, non-compliant and potentially disruptive juror (which might land me in "contempt of court" trouble), what do I have to do to make sure I don't get picked?
Should I dust off my most offensive Pussy Galore t-shirt? Maintain that Charles Manson was a criminally misunderstood genius? Wet my pants and walk into the interview with a big yellow stain? WHAT MUST I DO?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)
Well, I didn't expect to be dangled precariously over the gaping jaws of a two-month case. Normally it's just a week-long jobee and that's that. The timing for this, however, is completely poor and a two-month stint is just completely unacceptable right now.
And, in any case, they always find me. And they follow up.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)
go to jury duty, be a good citizen, it will be a lesson for the future kid.
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)
But them not being considerate of your Mrs being with kid just plain sucks.
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)
Okay, how about I give them yours and Felicity's addresses and tell them to call you, then? That sound good?
I'm at jury duty. I'm being a good citizen. I'd happily serve on a more conventional case. Two months, however, is something I cannot do in good conscience.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)
I can screen print you a t-shirt that says "My Other Car is a Vagina" with a pic of Mr. T on it.
I do not know what this means but I just read the what do you drive thread and that was worse than jury duty.
― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)
Hear hear! (I've been called...four times now? Sounds right.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)
Try and figure out what work you can do around the trial. In the UK you're only in court for 5 hours or so per day - if falling behind at work is a worry you should still have time to keep up with some stuff.
Otherwise, it's your duty. I'm sorry.
― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)
in NJ, it used to be that lawyers were automatically exempt from JD. NO MORE! i'm a worse citizen than either gabb or felicity HAW!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)
i want to be on a jury w.momus
judge: "have you reached a verdict yet?"foreman: "don't be silly, m'lud"
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)
1) no i've NEVER used drugs and i think people that do are EVIL2) no i've NEVER known a person that's been arrested and i think people who are arrested are EVIL3) i think drunk drivers SHOULD BE SHOT
that should cover all the bases for most criminal trials but i don't know what to tell you if it's a civil trial... maybe
4) i tend to side STRONGLY with the prosecution NO MATTER WHAT THE FACTS
― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)
a) Have gone to college (preferably with a master's degree, but bachelors is fine.)b) Make sure you ASK a lot of questions about WHAT exactly the lawyers mean when they say can you be fair about something (this really helps if the case is business related, it can harder to pull off if it's murder.) Example: Q: "Do you blame the general failings of the economy on the actions of individuals?" A: "You mean other than the president of the United States."c) Be generally snarky and seem unpredictable. Make numerous references (loud enough for the lawyers and plaintiff/defendants and fellow jurors to hear, but not for the judge) to scrapping the whole awards process and instead forcing the defendant to throw a picnic in the park for the plaintiff as a judgement.d) Don't claim to be racist. Don't refuse to answer questions. ESPECIALLY don't claim to have ANY specific knowledge ("I am a tax attorney and uh I would be biased to the defendant" bought one guy two weeks of being FOREMAN the last time I was called for regular jury duty) of the case in question. THIS does not disqualify you EVEN if you try to pretend that this knowledge impairs you impartiality. It just makes you look stupid and the LAWYERS want stupid people.
Have fun and good luck.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)
Can you plead being a new parent? Who'd want to miss 4 months of being with their new baby, to get cold coffee in the morning and a rock-hard bed?
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)
Uh, and Sarah Silverman to thread!
― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)
blount and alex on same jury = judge: "have you reached a verdict yet?"foreman: *rolls eyes disgustedly* *far-off sound of furniture being smashed against bone*
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)
I I got called up again I'd go as civic duty n'all, but Alex in NYC has the best reasons for avoiding it I can think of.
― Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)
(though it's not like I haven't gotten out of two cases in NYC in my time, because they would have interfered with school; now I wish I could have seen a jury operate)
Moreover, we didn't START until 10am. Why didn't they ask us to be there earlier? The lack of consideration is completely appalling.
Because judges just sit around all day. They don't have any work to do.
I think if they made a better effort to compensate jury duty (ie either compulsory full-day pay from the govt or forcing person's employer to do same)
I believe in NYC you get paid a certain amount (not large) a day, whether or not you are sat on a jury. There may also be a financial hardship out.
Yes, little old ladies and the unemployed are all stupid or corrupt, I've noticed.
whether or not they are stupid or corrupt, they are unrepresentative.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 November 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 21 November 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 21 November 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 November 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 21 November 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 21 November 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 21 November 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)
You live in Cobb County? Like, right outside Atlanta?
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 21 November 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 21 November 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 21 November 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 21 November 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)
my heart goes out to alex ... think jaz coleman thoughts while yer waiting in the jury pool.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 21 November 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Clarke B. (stolenbus), Friday, 21 November 2003 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 21 November 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 21 November 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)
run, alex, RUN.
― crack baby, Friday, 21 November 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 21 November 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)
For a start, I've seen the jury system operate. I've been on more juries than you've had hot fuckin' dinners. And I think my reason for wanting to be sprung (a pregnant wife) trumps your reason (school interference) every damn day of the week!
I think if they made a better effort to compensate jury duty (ie either compulsory full-day pay from the govt or forcing person's employer to do same)...I believe in NYC you get paid a certain amount (not large) a day, whether or not you are sat on a jury. There may also be a financial hardship out.
My reasons for not wanting to serve have never been about money. I'm paid by my employer. My freelancing gigs will be hurt, but it's not about money at all.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)
After yet another agonizing morning of waiting around and countless instances of inefficent shenanigans, they finally got around to the second batch of prospective jurors (self included therein). When they got to me, they practically imediately conceded (I guess my constant fidgeting, glaring and fang-baring gave them the clue), and I was released. Two of the twenty (!!!) lawyers came up to me as we broke for lunch (after I'd been excused) and expressed their apologies, admitting that when they'd heard I had a pregnant wife, they expected I'd be a reluctant juror and blah blah blah... They were perfectly nice about it, truthfully, but by then I was so relieved that they could've been speaking in Klingon for all I was absorbing. I tell ya, after being so tense and angry and anxiety-ridden for the last three days, I feel positively hungover.
Anyway, that's that. Thanks to everyone's advice and support.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)
(my back-up plan wz you shd print out ilx threads and read them out doing all the voices)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)
http://members.aol.com/motelhell/KJ-Webster-Hall-2003/images/JazRaven2.jpg
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)
No, it's pretty hysterical. ILX Theatre would be pretty fantastic.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
Here's my New York juror story:
My summons came in spring 2002 to serve jury duty at the Supreme Court in downtown Brooklyn. "Supreme Court" sounds like hot shit (not that it would affect my hatred of civic obligation) but in New York-- gotcha-- it's the court in which trial cases are first heard. After a Lionel Hutz-narrated orientation to your duty as a juror, with what I think was a musical number, hundreds of average drips took our seats on the hard benches. Morning, day two: I was called into a 50-person pool for voir dire on what was evidently a serious assault case. For a day and a half, we were kept STANDING in a hallway upstairs while a plea was worked out. Every time the door to the empanelling room opened, dozens of frustrated potential jurors, driven mad by aching legs and in a kind of shock from the inhuman interior design, looked at whoever came out like they wanted to take a rock hammer to some skulls. A young guy who looked to be the defendant was brought in and out in front of this hate chorale, and after a few iterations gave up on his jury trial. So we were free to eat at Juniors or whatever, fuck yeah.
I suppose three days split evenly between the waiting rooms and STANDING in a hallway beats a potential two month trial, but neither fills me with any desire to serve on a jury. But HStencil: it was made clear that volunteering for jury service is a-okay, if you're really all that bored.
― Benjamin (benjamin), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
I was about to say!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 22 November 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dada, Saturday, 22 November 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 22 November 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)
Alex, truly glad you were able to get out of jury duty. They should've let you off the hook from the get go, what with your pregnant wife situation and all.
My dad was called to jury duty six months before he passed on, and he was able to get out of it by just sending in a doctor's notice that he was quite ill, so he wouldn't be able to serve. It worked.
I've never YET been called to jury duty, but hopefully if that day ever comes I'll know how to get out of it. (Unless I can actually handle it, that is.)
― Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 22 November 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)
I didn't show up for jury duty. But I incurred an injury and had to be hospitalized for (minor) surgery! Will I be forgiven?
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Dannon's Yogurt Dumplings and Pam Poo (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 1 November 2012 15:57 (thirteen years ago)