The Eagleton Equation, or, are scholarship and readability alternatives?

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NB: this is not supposed to be a question about TE per se, or I would have revived the thread devoted to him, but it was inspired by re-reading some of his work yesterday, and worrying about a project I'm about to start writing up.

One of the things I most admire TE for is his clarity and style. I'm sure this is one of the key things that has made his work so widely read. However, whenever I read his writing I am very aware that this clarity is often bought at the expense of smoothing over subtle discrimination; and that the authority of his style is more impressive than his mastery of the material under discussion.

So my question is:

In academic writing, are scholarship and readability at opposite poles? Must you necessarily sacrifice accuracy and precision if you want to make your writing accessible and (potentially) more widely read?

You could either answer directly, or suggest writers you think manage to combine the two.

alext (alext), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

quite a lot of this has to to with publishers and length really. wordcounts an ting. an introduction-typoe book shd be a jump-off and it's hard to think of any that are truly definitive.

what do you think of honcderich's oxford companion to philosophy. i used to find it v hepful and am thinking of digging it out

enrique (Enrique), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Reading Stephen Jay Gould he brings this up quite a lot. He claims that his essays for popular consumption don't hold back the technical stuff, and that makes sense to me in the way that you don't have to speak in legalese to make sense in a way that works perfectly well in practice.

Perhaps hyper-academic language is only necessary when fine-tuning, questioning or developing new positions or theories. When talking about accepted or extant concepts, a degree of lassistude can be taken into account that does away with the need for every tiny detail to be semantically accurate.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

am i readable?

mark s (mark s), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it can be helped. If that is the way that x philosopher thinks abt stuff.

Maybe there should be a digest version as well as an uncut version but whether that's feasible i just don't know.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the problem really kicks in, and this is much more of a problem in the arts than in science which has its own set of problems, when techincal terms are the same as normal colloquial language. Which means you either have to define all your terms or invent new ones. Solution a spoils the flow and also gets a 'no fair - that's not what substance means' cry back. Solution b means the whole thing is unreadable except as a whole, and seems a touch pompous.

Basically if you ever have to explain what your saying after the fact or wave yer hand saying you know what I mean, then you've flubbed it. But who is your audience in the first place....

Pete (Pete), Friday, 21 November 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if clarity necessarily = readibility. For me, readability is more about seductiveness than transparency or simplicity. If someone has an engaging style you are more willing to follow them through dense thickets of thought... more so than with someone who has a characterless but explicatory zeal. Eg, Chris Ricks and Michael Wood aren't straightforwardly clear writers - indeed a lot of people find them quite unreadable - but they seem to be having fun from sentence to sentence, have a writerly desire to avoid clogged jargon or academic cliché, and so seem much more companionable, to this reader, than a lot of writers who simply inhabit an academic discourse.

Frank Kermode has good things to say on this matter in his introduction to 'An Appetite for Poetry' I think.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 21 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

JtN OTM re: readability meaning seductiveness. That might be a better way to put the problem as I see it. Do you write an account which tries to persuade or which sets out 'facts' clearly and allows someone to draw their own conclusions.

So I'm not thinking so much about textbook clarification which can be dry and still do its job, but the kind of style which says 'look, there's basically only two things you really need to get about this and they are...' or 'the choice comes down to'. Which shades very easily into the kind of rhetorical techniques which set up a question in such a way that to the 'right' and 'wrong' answers are very obvious.

I think Pete is dead right also -> this is particularly the case where language is used in messy and conflicting ways at the same time (see the endless arguments we could have over the meaning of 'culture'). (Redoubled when it's that messy aspect of communication which you want to talk about, say). I think a useful technique is to say 'we use the term in the following ways' as a way of clarifying things (i.e. I'm sympathetic to some analytic philosophy because it seems to do just this very well) but it does pose certain intractable problems in the area I work in. e.g. how to talk about Hegel's idea of 'reason': reason in English doesn't seem to cover it, now 'knowing' or 'understanding', 'rationality'? But I think the test of a good writer would be to use these terms in ways which don't mystify or confuse... and without clumsy circumlocutions the whole time.

FWIW I have always assumed that there is no necessary opposition between scholarship / academic integrity and readability but that might only be an ideal; in practice you're always going to have to trade one off against the other a bit, if only because no-one likes to read something so hedged with 'buts' and 'although some might say'...

alext (alext), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Talking a bit about this last night, there should be some way of getting into the casual, are over-awed reader that any book of this sort is part of a discourse with the reader. I think sometimes there is a dichotomy between a reader believing they don't understand something because they disagree with it and since they agree with everything else the fault must be in them rather than in the writer. (And in that the fault is not necessarily a lack of clarity in the text, just a slavish devotion to what is supposedly good in the field).

But who wants to have an introduction saying 'by the way, all this might be bollocks, make up your own mind'.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha I regularly say that when I'm teaching, but that's a bit different I suppose...

alext (alext), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I'm shocked at the number of lecturers who don't say it, which may make me think they might not even believe it.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

am i readable?
-- mark s (mar...), November 21st, 2003. (later)

yes and no
i've enjoyed anything i've read by you,up to a point,but i always get the feeling that i'm missing out on some points,or find sentences that i can't really figure out,things like that...
i still enjoy reading it,so i suppose it is readable,but its not exactly the clearest,most straightforeward writing in the world...

having said that,i am,despite the fact that i do read quite a lot,particularly bad at following what i'm reading,in terms of any abstract concepts,allusions,or even complicated plots in novels/films

a lot of my efforts to read various theorists (efforts which,to be fair,have been fairly half arsed) have resulted in me giving up through not following what is being said,although perhaps this is to do with me throwing myself in at the deep end,in that my reading to date has been very haphazard,without any really basic grounding in various schools of thought...

robin (robin), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there is definitely a problem nowadays in that it is impossible to presume *any* philosophical background knowledge, never mind knowledge of any particular school or tradition, if you're writing for the supposed general reader. Don't know if that ever was the case, though. Re-reading some of the early Fontana Modern Masters, and some of them are pretty tough-going.

alext (alext), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

nine years pass...

http://lareviewofbooks.org/article.php?id=1791

TERRY EAGLETON IS A FUNNY MAN. Writing about Hal Gladfelder’s Fanny Hill in Bombay for the London Review of Books, he offered an overview of the changes in academic manners and morals he has seen over the last few decades. “In the prelapsarian 1960s,” Eagleton recalls:

a typical critical essay might be entitled “Window Imagery in the Later Pasternak,” while in the theoretico-political 1970s, “Class Struggle in The Divine Comedy” was a more predictable topic. By the 1980s and 1990s, conference papers with titles like “Putting the Anus back into Coriolanus” had arrived on the scene.

This is great stuff, and the fact that Eagleton’s own career has thrived amidst these intellectual tectonic shifts makes it all the more hilarious. Mock what you know.

j., Monday, 24 June 2013 19:56 (twelve years ago)

Is requiring interest in the topic the same as requiring knowledge of the topic?

cardamon, Monday, 24 June 2013 21:27 (twelve years ago)


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