'the funk', simulacra?

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The Funk, then: in 2003, every bit as much an idea of Black Pop cherished by the white middle-class critelligentsia (99.9% of bloggers, that is, myself included), rather than the core audience for the music right now, as Macy Gray was/is. Discuss.

robin c, partially on 2 gunz up...

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 24 November 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, it's too useful as a mystificatory trump card (Lady if you have to ask) to give up entirely surely?

(I was thinking about this in re. the Sgt Peppers vs Star Time thread last week but couldn't work out how to put it, thanks 'lido)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 24 November 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

the well-marketed funk compilation is/was an intriguing development of the last five-odd years. i know plenty middle class etc etc who say their favourite music is, for example, 'heavy funk', or 'funk', ie from the seventies. is it any different than being keen on the faces?

― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 24 November 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't hear or read the word 'funk' without thinking of Jamiroquai or slap bass or Reef or Ocean Colour Scene badly recycling old blues rock riffs - it always seems to me to be an innacurate abstraction of an outdated concept of 'black music' (see also 'soul').

'Funky' on the other hand, makes me think of filter disco and French house and is a good thing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 24 November 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

but, as in relation to the nebuluous 'concept' of "da funk", as opposed to the genre.

also, need it be a clarification tico? could it not be a further mystification, a 'lady, if you have to ask', for those who thought they didnt have to ask

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 24 November 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

rock
soul
funk

as qualities found in records aren't these all mystification?

― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 24 November 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, they are mystification, of course. but im not sure of your point. i mean, this is what im trying to get at in the question. not necessarily that concretely, certain qualities are either present or not, but that they are there socially.

the fact that these qualities dont necessarily 'exist' as such isnt really what this is about i think. they are perceived to exist, therefore they exist

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 24 November 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I am most mystificated here by the reference above to the Faces. Though 'You Can Make Me Dance, Sing Or Anything' was pretty funky...

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 November 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"funk" is bar-none what DJs get asked to play most when doing a party for ppl in their late 20s-mid-30s in New York; what is actually meant is James Brown, Chic, and "We Are Family"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 24 November 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

comfort funk

― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 24 November 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

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