richard donner, oh richard donner

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I used to love this guy, he did The Goonies and Superman 1-2 and the (early, good) Lethal Weapons. then he started with the (late, bad) Lethal Weapons and seeing his new movie, Timeline has made me very depressed, it is entirely incompetent and shitty-looking and Paul Walker's there and the time-travel special effect consists of a fan and a dissolve and some screaming and is this really the man who brought us the magnificent destruction of krypton?

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

this is historical revisionism run amok!!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, i thought this was going to be a thread about those people who ate each other.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean timeline?

(xpost)

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

hee hee

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i mean "good lethal weapon movies" wtf?!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the funny thing about that movie is that it was shot in quebec and it so obviously takes place behind some guy's cottage in the laurentians and not (shockingly) 14th-century france

also at the screening a bunch of quebec sword-fighting types stood up before the movie, they were in it! the guys who swordfight on the mountain every weekend! those guys.

on xpost: lethal weapon 2 rules, what are you talking about?!?!

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!!!"

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

the happiest day of my life will be the day I actually get to shout that as they drag me away

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

also superman is a masterpiece!

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

if by Superman, you mean Superman I & II together as one unit, then I concur

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

My theory which belongs to me:

"My body is falling apart! I need to keep it together, and I need money for that. I make the movie."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

superman II was made by richard lester (you know, the hard day's night guy)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought they were one movie.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

whats funny about richard donner is that he's really old, and like robert altman started way back in the 50s in TV but unlike robert altman never really obtained any sort of critical profile except for a brief period in the 80s when he was considered one of the more talented of hollywood directors who could not by any stretch be considered an auteur (perhaps s1utsky will like to argue otherwise?).

i saw his first film on cable once, it's called x-15 and is about an early, abortive space program within the air force... pilots and the women (including mary tyler moore IIRC) who love them. it had very TV-style values, with a predominance of close ups and ugly simplistic decor. the documentary-esque sequences involving the testing and launch of the planes (yes, planes) were better than the sequences of wives yammering about their absent husbands.

i think a lot of people are kept from wanting to become directors because they're afraid they'll become richard donner.

i thought superman II was COMPLETED by lester after donner left the project. in fact he shot stuff for the first two movies at the same time, but gave up before the second project was complete.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"donner's left the project! can you get us another richard whose last name ends in 'r'?"

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

amateurist is right about supes 2

I wouldn't argue that donner was an "auteur" of any kind, and not just because I don't like that word--but he was a talented action director

and that counts for something

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

so really he's from the oldest generation of still-active hollywood directors (excepting er stanley donen who keeps threatening to make a comeback) but the first generation of hollywood directors to be TV-trained.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

my favourite from that generation is john frankenheimer (RIP)

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

as for a talented action director, he was--the car chases in those lethal weapon movies are models of their kind, even if they take the opposite approach from say the hong kong directors, and even if that style has led to michael bay-style incoherency...

frankenheimer over altman????

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmmm, I think I have more affection for frankenheimer (speaking of car chases!) but altman probably has the edge

it's tough with altman because my opinion really changes on him depending what movie I've seen last, he's such a yo-yo

I really think superman is a terrific movie though, it's really really well-directed and funny and great and the spectacle is just beautiful!

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.georgettesworld.com/main/stamp3.jpg
Zod, not God, rules you now!

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

superman II was made by richard lester (you know, the hard day's night guy)

Now that I know that, I feel cheated at not getting to see General Zod and Ursa and Non run around a field in super-sped-up motion.

"Sorry about your field, PITIFUL EARTH PERSON"

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

is lester dead?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

don't think so!

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

we do know that frankenheimer is michael bay's dad right?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah!!!

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

wow lester's filmography includes such highlights as "Butch and Sundance: The Early Days"!!

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I like those weird Musketeers movies of his.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 27 November 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

But dont't forget:

http://www.whoosh.org/issue34/graphics/mur1.jpg

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 27 November 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

we do know that frankenheimer is michael bay's dad right?
literally?

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 27 November 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 November 2003 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I though it it was more like Bay traced his birth mother, she used to date Frankenheimer, Bay claims in Movieline that Frankenheimer's his dad, DNA test says otherwise, Bay claims those tests aren't that reliable?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
GUESS WHOS BACK, BITCHES

A character-driven action thriller that stars Bruce Willis as Jack Mosley, a broken down NY detective assigned to escort a petty criminal (Mos Def) from the precinct to the courthouse. The seemingly simple 16 block journey becomes a test of character for them when Jack’s ex-partners attempt to stop them.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/16blocks/trailer/

Yawn (Wintermute), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

he will never top the attack of the 50 foot headless chicken that was Lethal Weapon 4 though

Yawn (Wintermute), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

oh god lethal weapon 4 was on TV last night. danny glover worrying that chris rock fancied him! I changed channel.

"DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!!!"

hahahaha

rez one-bagger (haitch), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

donner's best film - The Omen, duh - has just been remade by some bozo

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

i started this thread?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

you did!

rez one-bagger (haitch), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

Does s1ocki even remember now?

For the first time in god knows how long I watched Superman this evening; I'd been meaning to go back and look at it ever since the Man of Steel trailer came out. I remember telling a (much younger) member of the group who saw said trailer with Dark Knight Rises that Donner's effort was essentially the first 'modern' superhero film in terms of technical accomplishment and taking it with some degree of seriousness, and I just wanted to make sure it held up in my brain.

My god, Donner, the Salkind production team, everyone made it work so, so ridiculously well. Just the opening half hour or so alone, everything about it -- tells a full origin story without wasting any time, hits every beat of the 'classic' background to the character while creating a film-specific aesthetic and approach, never once doesn't look gorgeous whether on Krypton or the Midwest or the Arctic. It's so clearly not a 'superhero'/comic book movie as we collectively deal with it, it's a movie about a character who happens to be a superhero instead, and everyone's given just enough room to breath to make an impact with their characters, from Brando and Stamp onward. Opening pre-credits tackle the comic book origins of the story with sheer love, the credits and space sequences still work as a weird, wonderful queasy interstellar journey, and Jeff East, who played young Clark Kent with Reeve's overdubbed voice for consistency, carries out that necessary part pretty beautifully. And I just love how the first reveal of Superman full on is Reeve in the distance, he takes off, flies towards the camera but not close enough for a proper close-up/hero shot and...we're in everyday New York and things continue from there.

Seriously impressed. The whole opening is an inadvertant masterclass in how to do this and I really don't think any movie that followed since has nailed it just so without seeming either completely contrived or by just taking another route and going in medias res plus flashbacks.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 August 2012 03:48 (thirteen years ago)

Any 'comic book' movie, I should say, in the last sentence there. Anyway!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 August 2012 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

eight years pass...

https://deadline.com/2021/07/richard-donner-dead-superman-lethal-weapon-director-1234786372/

Dead at 91.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Monday, 5 July 2021 19:57 (four years ago)

"DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!!!"

...

the happiest day of my life will be the day I actually get to shout that as they drag me away
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:48 AM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 July 2021 20:09 (four years ago)

I'm of an age where I never missed The Banana Splits on Saturday mornings so I could catch Donner's Danger Island serial.

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Monday, 5 July 2021 21:27 (four years ago)


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