Never Use Two Small Words When One Big One Will Do: A Writing Question

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Editing an article for the voice I find myself adopting this rule to hit word count. "is like" becomes "resembles" and "along the way" becomes "en passant" and etc. This process sorta disturbs me, in part because it doesn't really save space, in part because it makes the writing more inaccessible. But it does help me hit count!

Are there any positive sides to this sort of niggling self-editing?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

you have yet to enumerate any negative ones

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah and at least you elminate a lot of passive voice that way.

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I just worry that sometimes things come off sounding fancier than they need to be and in fact just as long, characterwise. There was one 11 word clause I rewrote to be a 10 word clause and doubled the size of like half its words. Which made the tone less "folksy," perhaps slightly less precise, and also added about ten characters!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

don't worry about characters--they have fancy machines to do that part of the work for you. worry about saying what you want to say legibly.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

(and yes, it does help get rid of passive voice-isms. passive tone = shit writing every time out. see also: the English)

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Which is to say that usually I like editing to count, and generally I feel satisfied by stripping the lamer gags, tightening up ideas, looking for redundancy, etc.

But this time, for some reason, at least a few of the edits are of the "big word for two small words" varient -- and that's what particularly concerns me.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Like look at "en passant" -- doesn't that just scream "smug smarty-pants!"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

then pick a different one-word-for-two. it isn't that difficult.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

for example, "along the way" or "en passant" or whatever is almost always something you can throw to the side, unless you're specifically remarking on the passage of time.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i just realized that "en passant" can also just be "in passing"!!!!

god i'm slow sometimes.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I have one word for you: portmanteaus.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, is using "which" four times in a 900 word article too much? Two of them open sentences and two of them are followed by "is".

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, don't ever use common words more than three times in a 900 word piece. it's a law.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

haha in the piece i did for you i did a final edit just to remove some of the "but"s.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:00 (twenty-two years ago)

granted there were orig. about twelve.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Change the latter which's to that's (if there is no comma before them).

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

stone the whiches!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

what are other synonyms for "which is to say" and "in other words"?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"in short"
or, even better, an uncommented-upon em-dash

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Just leave them out!

(xpost)

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

what are other synonyms for "which is to say" and "in other words"?

i.e.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i just realized that "en passant" can also just be "in passing"!!!!
god i'm slow sometimes.

-- Sterling Clover (s_clove...) (webmail), December 2nd, 2003. (s_clover)

'En passant' is also a chess term, which prompts me to inflict on you the following irrelevant observation: it's great to confound people with terms derived from chess. For example, one excellent gambit is to describe any unusual strategy of lanthanine purpose as 'Nimzowitschian'. One can also refer to flank deployment of agents normally deployed in the centre as a 'fianchetto' ('Don't stack the polenta pieces over the mash - why not fianchetto them?'); or a recklessly debonair sacrifice as a 'fegatello'.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh! zugzwang!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

chess terms rock!

rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm going to start using zwischenzug for a surprising song stuck between two similar tracks.

rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"stone the whiches!"

i think they are supposed to be burned at the stake!

Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)

malegenitaliaagriculturalist.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

reducecountbyomittingspacesbtwnwdz&chrctazbyusingtxt

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

what are other synonyms for "which is to say" and "in other words"?

Do you have any excuse for writing a passage in Italian? The word "cioƩ" is just perfect for what you need.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the problem with passive voice?

Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I often wonder that too. Is it just clunky?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

In all fairness I'm not 100% sure what it means, but I doubt it's clunky. Probably takes 2 much space. Maybe it sounds sit-on-the-fencey, which isn't always a bad thing.

Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I tend to save on word counts by omitting all the bullshit and repetition I tend to write. I guess a better writer would be less able to do this. I am leery of using obscure words, though. I've done a bit of editing in the past, and I had the pain of working on stuff by one particular person who would always include a heavy amount of oblique or 'dead' words, amongst a writing style that suggested Charles Dickens was sitting on his shoulder. (He actually stole whole sentences almost verbatim from Bleak House on a few occasions; deliberate or osmosis, I couldn't begin to guess.) Working on that material made me especially self-conscious about my own writing.

ChrissieH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I love this discussion. More! Editor geeks unite!

I do find that on rare occasions, passive voice is appropriate and preferable to active voice. Please do not ask me to cite a specific example.

quincie, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Passive voice can be very politic. For example, Ronald Reagan, in a speech 'revealing' the Iran-Contra scandal said candidly, "Mistakes were made." This was passive voice at its face-saving finest. Now, if he had said, "My subordinates and I broke the law," imagine what a scandal it would have been!

Aimless, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, well, for criticism it sucks.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

NLYCNSNTSNDCPTLLTTRS

My finance teacher made us write 200-wd stories where we were forbidden to use commas. He forbade us to use the word "and" and the word "but"!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

now THAT is an exercise.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

THE EDITORIAL GEEK
a story without and, buts, or commas

I climbed the stairs to the goddamned cubicle. I had failed in my attempts to pad up the ill-fitting chair within into something me-shaped; sundry used packaging supplies spilled from behind the inadequate back-supporter as I tried to snuggle in. My feet fell asleep within seconds anyway. There was no reason to do anything once I got there since my job had lost meaning for everyone around me long before I was hired. I was just required to show up every day so I'd stay out of trouble.

Since the pencil sharpener was on the way to the bathroom I brought the main tools of my trade along on potty run #1. They say I'm pretty efficient. Always saving company time. I turned on my heel when I realized my pencils were already sharp -- I hadn't used them once the day before. So after pissing I trudged back to my desk with the texts I was supposed to look at. Unfortunately nothing I could think of that did not involve fire and forgetfulness could improve them. I remembered that this was why I hadn't written any suggestions on any of the texts I'd looked at the day before.

The wheel of fruitless boredom ground over my soul like a tank crushing its own side's dead soldiers; neither the wheel nor the blandly-drafted texts would ever register my presence. I felt their (leisure-class) writers should all be shot. With those bullets that split into several evil shards so they can tear the shit out of your innards. The thought made me feel good for a few minutes. Then I felt even worse than I had before. Finally an alarm whistle sounded. We all went outside to smoke cigarettes in the merciless wind while the firefighters tried to save the building.

The moral of the story: Don't bitch about editorial geeks. They dwell in very colorful fantasy worlds.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

who was bitching?

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

passive voice: the child was beaten (thank freud for that one)

overall i have learned that the anticipated audience is the most important factor in chosing what words and grammatical structures to use, unless a writer wants to sound hoity-toity (spelling, anyone?)

and also, the act of combining words, ifyouknowwhatimean, is generally less aimed at eliminating space or being trite than it is a visual way to demarcate a common phrase that is, for all intents and purposes, a singular entity.

i hate academia. youknowwhatimean?

possible m (mandinina), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

ILX:
"I love this discussion. More! Editor geeks unite!"

(today's bitchin' was all in real space)

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

(editorialgeeks, dotheyalwayscomeoutatnight?

(*staresatclockalarmed*)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yethhhhhthhhhhhh... night faaaaletttth... briiing me my lurrrking shoes, Igor...

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Passive voice can be very politic. For example, Ronald Reagan, in a speech 'revealing' the Iran-Contra scandal said candidly, "Mistakes were made." This was passive voice at its face-saving finest.

I am nonpartisan on this issue. Someone should spank both Reagan and Clinton for using the passive voice this way.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(hoity vs untoity: I prefer to use what seems most readable. Sometimes colloquialisms just look strange, and ironically sound stilted when read back aloud from print. But using the big word on purpose is gross and almost always detectable.)

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The in-house style guide I was using today includes:

"Window of opportunity
Please close it; it's cold."

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm, prepare to open fire on debate: "the proper use of cliches: or, when the 'original' phrase you crafted is so unwieldy and self-conscious that please, please, can we just use the cliche/wheel you're trying to reinvent here, Shakespeare"? Nothing like a mediocre writer's struggle to give fresh expression to a stale thought for givin' the drones a laff. Or a vomit, depending on the general mood.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i just make bad jokes.

possible m (mandinina), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Since the editors are gathering on this thread, I'd like to exploit the situation and ask you all to explain this part of my current style sheet:

"SINCE is to be replaced by BECAUSE when a cause-and-effect relationship is meant."

Mind you, this is a style sheet that I came up with, so supposedly I have an opinion on this issue. But I lifted the above from another style sheet and now I wonder if it serves any meaningful purpose. Opinions?

quincie, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

What's another word for outdoor pool, besides lido?

Mary (Mary), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Quincie, I don't like 'since' as 'because' much, but then again I quite liked 'as' and someone told me that that was no good either. 'Because' is so ugly. Bring back 'for'.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Do people get the anti passive-voice stance hammered into them at school or something? It's a tool like anything else. There are times when you want to sound a little bit distanced from the subject.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I first came across the 'drop the passive voice' thing in Word's bizarre grammar checker.

Social science papers rely on it heavily. It can get a bit wearing after a while, I guess.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Physics papers are even worse. It's really refreshing when you come across the occasional one which isn't written entirely in the passive voice.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

'And then we set gas taps alight and teacher told us off'

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Do people get the anti passive-voice stance hammered into them at school or something? It's a tool like anything else. There are times when you want to sound a little bit distanced from the subject.

Indeed, it's a bit like saying 'I don't like songs which use organs'; or, I will make this table without a saw'.

Gas taps were set alight -- is that passive? As in the film 'Fires were started'?

En-Ri-Q (Enrique), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry that should have been distanced from the object. But it's also useful in sentences where you want to downplay the agency of the subject - i.e. in pop reviews it can be dead useful.

I mean if you don't like it fair enough, don't use it - I'm just surprised to find a reasonable fellow like Matos coming across so dogmatic upthread.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique - yes.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, how nice! We all get to share hobby horses...Here's mine.

I can not stand when editors remove the commas after introductory prepositional phrases:

"In fact The Drop Nineteens were a seminal band for some."

VS:

"In fact, The Drop Nineteens were a seminal band for some."

There are sentences in Harper's (among other Yankee mags) that are virtually unreadable. It drives me nuts. I also hate the use of infinitives when the writer clearly wants to use a preposition. I mean come on, no one would write "I look forward to hear from you" so why would anyone write something like "Our company is committed to improve the working conditions in our fabrication plants." ARRRGH!!!

cybele (cybele), Friday, 5 December 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

In regard to "because" vs. "since" to signify a cause and effect relationship: in its most fundamental and literal meaning, "since" signifies a temporal relationship, rather than a causal one. Putting that aside, popular American speech uses them indistinguishably. Over time, popular use always trumps prescriptive rules.

It's fine by me to put niggling points of style into a style guide, but it often comes down to a case of 'style for style's sake'. To me it is rather reminiscent of all other canons of good taste; the more detailed and demanding they are, the more easily they become outdated.

Aimless, Friday, 5 December 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Excellent point, aimless. Perhaps I should qualify that I do technical editing (primarily molecular biology and pharmacology stuff) and scientific audiences may be (or at least SHOULD be) particularly attuned to subtle shades of meaning in descriptions of relationships. But screw that, most science geeks don't have a good liberal arts education and such nuances are lost on us.

I should, however, be able to back up my own style sheet if called upon.

quincie, Friday, 5 December 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)


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