Mark Latham, the new Australian opposition leader

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Thus.

Mr Latham has strongly criticised the war in Iraq, and earlier this year used coarse language in an interview to describe Mr Howard's close relationship with the US.

He also told parliament in March that George W Bush was "the most incompetent and dangerous president in living memory."

He defended his remark but has promised to tone down his plain speaking, saying "no more crudity."

He also achieved notoriety after a brawl in which he broke a taxi driver's arm in a row over a fare.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I was kind of all for him having known only the above about him plus Whitlam's support, but some more politically noused left leaning friends are horrified and saying this is suicide for the party.

From http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/30/1070127268663.html :

If Latham takes the Labor leadership tomorrow the ALP will gradually abandon interest in Aboriginal reconciliation. It will demonstrate a growing contempt for what Latham calls the left-wing "rights agenda". It will seek to match or outbid the Coalition on questions like the threat of terrorism, "illegal immigration" and the war on crime. Just as Tony Blair transformed the British Labour Party by incorporating Margaret Thatcher's economic ideas, if Latham succeeds in winning the ALP leadership he will attempt to incorporate into Labor Howard's brand of populist, cultural conservatism. After Blair, Britons could say "we are all Thatcherites now". If Latham wins the Labor leadership Australians may soon be able to remark: "We are all Howardites now."

I dont really know what to think anymore, except I realise how uneducated about politics I actually am.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know who this guy is, but frankly I'm completely disgusted with Crean, Beazley, and Howard anyway so what the fuck.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll still vote for Bob Brown.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I dont vote for either major party anymore, which is like not voting, to be honest but at least I'm voting against those I dont wanna see in power!

Hearing shit about Latham tho like that he's vigourously anti-immigration is a bit of a worry (if its true, I dont like going on peoples word but the people complaining are pretty politically educated so... meh).

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently, he lives by the credo of Raging Bull. Aussie politics can use the shakeup: Howard's gotten much too comfortable.

He defended his remark but has promised to tone down his plain speaking, saying "no more crudity."

Pity, about time there was some honest feeling in the political arena....even at the risk of future disagreement

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

his crudity is his best selling point!

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

At the core of Latham's thought is the ambition to reconcile the social democratic dream of rough equality with the neo-liberal faith in markets and individual enterprise. Rather than cash handouts for the disadvantaged, what he advocates, for example, are low-interest venture capital loans for "social entrepreneurs".

This assumes the "social entrepreneurs" have actual possessions to offer as collateral. Curious. How does he decide which "outsiders" are worthy? A 10- or 20-point questionnaire? I sense further discontent among the masses.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

At this stage I think I'd prefer Latham boldly leading ALP rightwards over Beasley weakly capitulating in the same direction. Anyway since he's gotten up with the support of the left (who wanted to punish Beasley and his right-faction supporters) I suspect his own political tendencies might be tempered a bit by his (shadow) cabinet. A Latham/Gillard/Rudd power-trio wouldn't be too awful I'd hope.

Also: at the end of the day isn't Latham just Paul Keating without the watches and clocks and classical music?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Tim is right. Latham won with the backing of the left so that is a good sign. Any friend of Whitlam is a friend of mine. He is definately a bit of a loose cannon and his politics are not really very well ordered in terms of left-right policy, but I think this can be a good thing. He's going on gut and he's not going to bullshit us like the rest ( well not quite so badly). He reminds me of a young Hawke before the spinners worked on him and took away his human edge (not that I was around then!). I'm excited I just hope the Labor party decides to do something dramatic with him, and the only way they can stand apart from the Liberals is to become more left, from his early comments that's where he's headed. He was such a dude about Bush I thought it was bloody excellent! I'ts time once again.

Anna. (Anna.), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's an awful outcome. beazley vacillated enough to be movable: all the interviews he gave recently (from my reading) indicated that he was ready to move leftward. he wouldn't have been revelatory, but he did maintain, for instance, good relations with carmen lawrence (surely the apotheosis labor leftism, currently). latham is awful; a recent book review by ben spies-butcher (i think) basically constructed him as a fukayama end-of-ideology type. better a weak labor and a strong greens in these kind of circumstances- the last thing australia needs is further triangulation to the right. interesting scenario: liberals win, green b-o-p in the senate. the greens and the liberals recently combined to preserve the senate's power to block supply. there's an off chance that it'd be '75 again. except howard wouldn't be as amenable to senate exercise of power as whitlam was, i think.

charles m, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Some more Latham quotes. Whatever you think of him, you've gotta admit he has John Howard's way of thinking completely fathomed:

Some of Mark Latham's better quotes:

On Prime Minister John Howard:

"Howard is an 'arse-licker'," he told (The Bulletin). "He went over there, kissed some bums, and got patted on the head."

"Mr Howard and his Government are just yes-men to the
United States. There they are, a conga line of suckholes on the conservative side of Australian politics.
The backbench sucks up to the Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister sucks up to George W. That is how it works for the little Tories, and they have the hide to call themselves Australians."

On US President George W. Bush

"Bush himself is the most incompetent and dangerous president in living memory" he told the House. "It is a bit rich for him to be preaching democratic values when he himself failed to win a democratic majority in the 2000 presidential election. His war with Iraq is more about revenging his father's mistakes."

On Federal Treasurer Peter Costello

"There you have it. He dogged a fight, he would not stand up and fight for himself."
"He was lying on his back like a mangy dog, saying, `Red, Red, stop hitting me'.
"It was the stuff of legend at Monash, and it is now the stuff of a disappointing Budget in this House of Representatives."

On Health Minister Tony Abbott

"Tony Abbott salivates at the mere mention of Work for the Dole. Yet he supports a royal family that wouldn't work in an iron lung."

On former immigration minister Philip Ruddock

"Hand in your badge, Adolf."

On the Howard Government

"Of the 25 Liberal members of the Howard Ministry, 17 are corporate lawyers. The best way to get Liberal preselection is to own a wig."

On politics

"I'm a hater. Part of the tribalness of politics is to really dislike the other side with intensity. And the more I see of them the more I hate them. I hate their negativity. I hate their narrowness.
"I hate the way, for instance, John Howard tries to appeal to suburban values when I know that he hasn't got any real answers to the problems and challenges we face. I hate the phoniness of that."

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, this guy sounds great.

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Except now that he's leader, he's saying THIS:

from http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/04/1070351722965.html


Mr Latham, who spoke after his meeting in front of the American flag, did not apologise for describing President Bush as incompetent and dangerous, but said he was looking to the future.

"As an individual member I made a contribution that was based on some party political considerations but that's in the past," he said.

"The reality today and for the future is that I am the leader of the alternative government of this country and my starting point in these particular matters is very much the importance of the relationship and the importance of the alliance."

Mr Latham also backed away from his description of the US war on terror as a "march of folly", saying that before being elected leader he did not have the information available to make "a considered judgement in the national interest".

Translation: I have been told to suck arse by ASIO (probably).

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

He's seriously backing down on every critical thing he's said in the past few years. Which in the sense of being mature and a good leader is fine, but whats the point of having political leaders whos opinions you share and therefore want in the top job if, once they get there, they kowtow to everything they were against just to keep the peace?

Stupid politics.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

and i seriously doubt if he would have substantively opposed, for instance, the exponentially pernicious nelson review. i'm sure i read him in the murdoch press a while ago, berating universities for acting as a middle class coddle mechanism, as opposed to his fictive 'westies', who, of course, don't want no education, 'cause they're too busy being social entrepreneurs (working in an undeterminedly new relationship to work modes, as someone pointed out above). charming.

on a practical level, the green preference spillage (even if its only 10% of their vote, as it has been historically) could lose the election for labor. so electing someone to the right of tony blair, only rhetorically vehement, is the worst possible outcome for a useless party.

charles m, Friday, 5 December 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
You would have to be the greatest "shoot from the hip" individual I have ever seen in the last forty years. You would have to be an absolute fuckwit as far as policy is concerned. Any person with any intelligence, any person, I repeat, they would have to stop and say before they votefd " this person is a loose cannon". I cannot vote for him. He makes policy on the run. He has said our troops must be out by a certain day from Iraq,>...l.What an absolute incompetent fool. There was a time , earlier in his political coreer, when he was going ok, but remember, the chickens always come home to roost. Mr LaTHAM, SIR

Colin t.Smith, Saturday, 10 April 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You would have to be the greatest "shoot from the hip" individual I have ever seen in the last forty years. You would have to be an absolute fuckwit as far as policy is concerned. Any person with any intelligence, any person, I repeat, they would have to stop and say before they voted " this person is a loose cannon". "I cannot vote for him. He makes policy on the run. He has said our troops must be out by a certain day from Iraq,">...l.What an absolute incompetent fool. There was a time , earlier in his political coreer, when he was going ok, but remember, the chickens always come home to roost. Mr LaTHAM, SIR, you have no chance of winning the next election, nor any election, while you are a shoot from the hip politician, but I suppose you have followed previous Labor Politicians Good luck sir, you certainly are going to need it!!!!!!!!!!

Colin t.Smith, Saturday, 10 April 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

politics: they say a few things you want to hear. they scheme. they base their "personality" on previously successful models.

mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 10 April 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)


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