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The strange case of the chap who agreed to be sliced, diced, roasted and eaten after answering an internet ad posted by German cannibal, Armin Meiwes. "I always had the fantasy and in the end I fulfilled it," Meiwes told the court on the first day of his trial for murder in the nearby city of Kassel.

A remarkably calm Meiwes relayed the unlikely story claiming Bernd Brandes replied to his ad searching for a young, fit man willing to be eaten. On the evening of March 9, the two men went up to the bedroom in Meiwes' farmhouse where Brandes proceeded to swallow 20 sleeping tablets and half a bottle of schnapps before inviting Meiwes to cut off his penis. Meiwes then set about frying the severed organ for both of them to eat.

Brandes - by this stage bleeding heavily - then took a nice relaxing bath, while Meiwes, naturally, read a Star Trek novel.

In the early hours of the morning, Meiwes finished the job by stabbing Brandes in the neck with a large kitchen knife, after kissing him first.

The cannibal then chopped Mr Brandes into pieces and put several bits of him in his freezer, next to a takeaway pizza, and buried the skull in his garden.

"With every bite, my memory of him grew stronger," Meiwes told the court, reflecting that Brandes tasted of pork.

The trial continues. As does my incredulity.

A commentator last night mused that perhaps this case marks the collapsing of the last taboo. Oh does it now.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 4 December 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there a darker activity, the taboo status of which harshes your buzz, alex?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Worship of The Manic Street Preachers perhaps.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 4 December 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Though if indeed there is a taboo attached to such a crime as this, I deem it a boon to society.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 4 December 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Exciting new theory : Richey was EATEN.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i ate his left leg

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 4 December 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

hello. this is my first post here. if there's an induction rite, involving anything vaguely kinky, be sure not to forget it. or ignore me, your choice..

nice to start by talking about fried pensises (penii?) as well..

i find it interesting that this article talks about this case 'collapsing' the last taboo. i'm wondering if the implication is that this sort of behaviour will now become socially acceptable. after all, it happened with eating pot noodle and buying stereophonics records, both of which are equally disturbing behaviour.

if so... you'd imagine this sort of thing would become something of a delicacy. there aren't likely to be too many willies to go round, are there? there's going to be a finite supply, and anyone eating more than one in their life is just being greedy.
i can imagine haute cuisine restaurants (actually, i've never been to a haute cuisine restaurant, but i'm trying to imagine one) having it on their menus - and the inevitable, eternal dilemna: green salad on the side, or just a few vegetables (not chips, this is a posh place, remember)..
and, of course, the tv programmes would follow suit: 'cook your own dick' would be a top-rated show. 'celebrity cook your own dick' might attract even higher audiences. perhaps jamie oliver could be invited to appear and we'd be treated to the hitherto unseen spectacle of one dick consuming another.

i wonder how women will respond to such behaviour? is cooking and eating one's own phallus merely a reinforcement of the paternalist paradigm that underpins our society?

as for your theory, nick, richie being eaten? its unlikely, isn't it? he wouldn't be the most rewarding meal. you want someone with a bit of MEAT on them. james dean bradfield, for example, would be a better band member to consume in such a manner.

accordingly, i've written to their management, and to http://www.manics.co.uk/, suggesting that james might like to chop off his penis and send it to me, so that i can cook it.

unfortunately, i've also remembered that i'm vegetarian, so i won't be able to touch the thing. when it comes, would anyone like it?

hobart paving, Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not going to come.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, you pessimist.

i'm already imagining the e-bay ads.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

God I hate people

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The implications of "collapsing the last taboo" are bothering the shit out of me. There are some fairly disturbing parallells between this and the whole "gift-giver" subculture that really make me want to drop a very selective bomb on the entire Earth.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(Short version: Andrew OTM)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"is cooking and eating one's own phallus merely a reinforcement of the paternalist paradigm that underpins our society?"

A vital point. But I fear wide of the mark. If I was serious for one second, I might be tempted to argue that the philosophical ramifications of cock culling and cooking could, contrary to your assertion, conceivably threaten the epistemological superstructure of the Capitalist model of Western civilisation, since this controlled process of emasculation, articulated and executed in accordance with Capitalist postmodern convention (embracing the modes and practices of advertising, the internet, mutual consent) hardly reinforces paternalism, rather it obliterates it, stewing it in its own juices, and consumes it with alacrity.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You put it a little better, Dan. But GOD OH GOD this story has NEVER amused me, it just makes me sick and angry.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm I think my first post covers this

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

of course it won't 'collapse' any taboos at all (which was the point i was trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to make) i'm willing to bet that, even after this case, there won't be a large number of people eating each other's penises.

i'm also doubtful that this is the last taboo. i'm sure, somewhere, there are MUCH worse things than even this that humans could think about. however, it doesn't do us any good to think about what those might be.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 4 December 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever they are they're probably being done already

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 4 December 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. They are there, even if you don't want to think about them.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 4 December 2003 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate N's last post.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 4 December 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

alex, i'd love to respond to your 'paternalism' post in kind but:

1. i'm not sure that i could

2. it seems that some people find approaching this with humour a little distasteful and given that i'm new here, i'll respect that.

good response, though. shame i can't match it..

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

While I understand where Andrew is coming from and am willing to bet large sums of nonexistent money that my disgust matches his, I also have no problem with people making fun of these guys.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan can I ask what the "gift-giving subculture" is you're referring to upthread?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Exciting new theory : Richey was EATEN.

That's not even a new theory, it's a fact, have you seen how large JDB got after all that happened? You don't get that way having the occasional bowl of ice cream you know.

Allyzay, Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

There was an article in Rolling Stone about it; from what I gather it's a network of gay men who have fetishized HIV/AIDS to ridiculous totemistic extremes where men who are HIV- seek out HIV+ men willing to "share the gift" of their disease with them. Fucking creepy as hell.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

dan - i think there are some situations you have to face with humour - it can actually be a way of making people face up to things, making them see something they would otherwise turn away from, not want to think about.

i'm actually wondering if someone really DID answer the advertisement in the story above. it would certainly be odd behavour, but it wouldn't be completely unbelievable, i don't think. not completely.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

dan - i think there are some situations you have to face with humour

Hobart, have you by any chance tried searching for any of my posts to other threads? You've kind of quoted my credo to me.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i haven't, dan, i haven't worked out anything quite that technical yet. i'll take a look though.

what you said about infection fetishes: yes, i've read about that. i hadn't heard it called 'gift-giving' though (i actually wondered if you were referring to christmas, which isn't always very nice but not quite as bad as frying your own genitalia). i wonder if this only exists with this particular disease? do you get people wanting to 'share the gift' of herpes, or leprosy, for example?

perhaps the gift someone coming at life from that angle needs is a few hundred pounds worth of psychiatric assistance. sadly, that's probably harder to find someone willing to supply.

also - i'd be surprised if it was purely a gay thing, but i don't have any evidence or any studies on it to back me up there.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to know why Tracer hates my last post. I mean it's kind of rubbish, but hate?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The article I read was focused particularly on HIV and gay men (it was pitched as a fetishization/reclaimation thing by the proponents; the response of those against it ran the gamut from "What are you, STUPID???" to "What, are you INSANE???"), but it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that others were into this kind of thing as well with other diseases. In the context of the article, the "gift-giving" terminology was specific to this particular gay subculture; it was their code, if you will, for keeping their activities clandestine and under the mainstream radar. The heartbreaking part of the article was the interview with the guy who successfully got himself infected with HIV and then quickly discovered that it sucked spiny shit-covered donkey balls.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

(N, pay no mind to Hata Hand.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

N., I hate ALL of your posts, FYI.

Allyzay, Thursday, 4 December 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"With every bite, my memory of him grew stronger," Meiwes told the court, reflecting that Brandes tasted of pork.

I keep going back to this line. It's the perfect combination of horrifying and absurd.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for the clarification above about that article, dan. it suits my world-view a bit better now...

i find articles like that do tend to focus on gay people - whether that's because the fetish only exists in the gay community, or whether its because the process of coming out forces you to be more honest about sex, so its easier to get people to admit to this sort of thing, i don't know.

i sort of don't want to think about those people too much. and then sometimes it seems that its precisely the things we don't want to think about that we should be thinking about.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 4 December 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The idea of a guy "discovering" having AIDS kinda sucks seems pretty amusing, actually

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 5 December 2003 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"sometimes it seems that its precisely the things we don't want to think about that we should be thinking about."

Right on I reckon. Acknowledgement of our own perversions, kinks, bents, twists, eccentricities, even our instincts is often portrayed as some sort of flaw, like distinction or individuality is a mark of failure perhaps... Well we are what we are, or maybe even, what we eat, anyway there is plenty to suggest that as a race we are little better than frightened pack animals.

Alex K (Alex K), Friday, 5 December 2003 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The idea of a guy "discovering" having AIDS kinda sucks seems pretty amusing, actually

It was pretty rough, because I felt a huge wave of sympathy that was tempered with a huge wave of "WELL, WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING, DIPSHIT????????"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 December 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
according to Wikpedia, in the "cultural impact" section of the Meiwes entry:

In 2006, the Greek artist Doulo painted "Meiwes," a controversial abstract work celebrating Meiwes as a hero of the common man.

I thought about this for a minute and I think I have figured out how this angle must work. Meiwes is the hero of the common man because he got another man to eat his own fried penis. Am I missing anything?

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 26 May 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

We have all aimed for this dream, Thomas. Freud said that. While high.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 May 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)


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