Given the opportunity, would you sleep around if you were absolutely certain your partner could never find out?

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Ummm.... yes.

logged off, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh the guilt! No.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Probably not. I really don't see the point. If I wanted to still be single and sleep around, then I'd still be single.

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it's a bit of a silly question, because such a scenario is like very hard to contemplate unless you work in arctic research or something, or the navy.

Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

nope.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Logged out... I'm genuinely curious as to *why*?

Maybe I don't understand cause I've not been in a relationship long enough for it to get boring enough to want to sleep around... but what would be the point?

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Had such an unsuccessful time being single that the scenario doesn't even bear contemplation. And I'm a dreadful liar.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I said yes, but I probably wouldn't be able to stand the guilt either, and I'd never be able to pull it off, I couldn't be that two-faced. However... I've been in a relationship for a long time, I love my girlfriend, we do have a great sex life. And yet I do find this dichotomy. Although our relationship perfectly satisfies me emotionally, and our sex life is pretty damn good as well, I'm never ever going to stop being tormented by the thought of sex with other women. I'm never going to stop wanting that. It really is a torment and I wish I could be satisfied by having sex with just one person. As things stand now, I think the only solution is to ruthless suppress all desire for extra-relationship sex, and so I do. And if the cause of this desire was because I was unhappy in the relationship, somehow it'd be easy to bear. But that's not the case, I'm really happy with my girlfriend.

logged off, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

no, of course not.

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

no because just because your partner may never find out this would not counter the guilt you are likely to feel sooner or later

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

If things continue to be great, the yearning will diminish. Trust me...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i'm much more into the idea of sleeping around if your partner is okay with it. because let's say you've been with your partner for yeeeaaaarrrrsssss, after awhile, you may want to try a different side dish.

a lot of people disagree with this outlook, however. including my partner.

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope.

Jeremy the Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I tend not to think of human beings as dishes or food or things like that. It diminishes them, and in the process, diminishes yourself through diminishing your relationship.

If you want to be with someone, then be with them. If you want to be with someone else, or else you want to sleep around, then be single. Maybe this is too simplistic a dichotomy, but I just don't understand being any other way.

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey kate, I'm with you on this one.

Let's shag.

(Joke, btw)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

JUST HAVE A WANK.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i'm much more into the idea of sleeping around if your partner is okay with it. because let's say you've been with your partner for yeeeaaaarrrrsssss, after awhile, you may want to try a different side dish

i know what kate means in re terminology, but this sounds kind of humane really.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

EYES WIDE SHUT scene:

BILL : What makes me an exception is that...I
happen to be in love with you and because
we're married and because I would never lie to
you or hurt you.

ALICE: Do you realize that what you're saying is that
the only reason you wouldn't fuck those two
models is out of consideration for me, not
because you really wouldn't want to?

BILL: Let's just relax, Alice. This pot is making you
aggressive.


N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

So my life's a Kubrick movie. That's certainly putting a more glamorous gloss on it, at least...

logged off, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Being with someone is one thing. I'm all up for being with someone. But I also don't have the same kind of heavy romanticised emotional attachment to sex that a lot of people have. I think you can have a serious, loving, committed relationship with someone based on trust and mutual respect and still have a quick shag with someone else now and again. I don't believe in maintaining simultaneous relationships.

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that's pretty big of you catty.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Catty, you do realise how much you're starting to sound like Susan in that post?

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Duuuuuuude!

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Also... sex and trust are so interlinked. That's not a "heavy romanticised emotional attachment to sex" - that's just realising that sex is not a plaything and that other people's emotions are not playthings. I wouldn't do anything to my partner that I would not be OK with my partner doing to me. And I would SO not be OK with my partner sleeping around behind my back.

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I think my ideal might be something like Catty's, but if I'm being totally honest I'd only like it that way for me, not my partner. I don't think I'd be too keen on my partner having quick shags with other people every now and then. Wherein lies the problem. I think total sexual fulfillment is a bit of a utopian dream.

logged off, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

This is just an opinion, and since my partner doesn't agree with it, I don't actually practise it. But I'm not going to look down on anyone else for doing it. I think it's far worse to screw around on someone and then lie about it.

"I mean, even Bono cheats on his wife, and he's next to God!" - The Boy

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I KNEW IT!

UK ILX = "Coupling"!!!!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I had this myself, Dawn was often asked "How do you know he isn't" by 'fellers' but dawn just knew I wasn't (correctly).

They weren't queueing up, admittedly. But they don't. (unless you are vaguely famous apparently, but anyway)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I'd be too keen on my partner having quick shags with other people every now and then.

If it's not OK for your partner, then it's not OK for you. End of story.

The funny thing is, my partner is fairly secure, and has even joked about me shagging other people. I don't find these jokes funny, because if he shagged someone else, I'd go mental and definitely leave him.

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

sex and trust are so interlinked. That's not a "heavy romanticised emotional attachment to sex" - that's just realising that sex is not a plaything and that other people's emotions are not playthings.

I totally agree. What I meant by "heavy romanticised emotional attachment to sex" is that sex does not always automatically equal love. Having sex with someone doesn't mean that person loves you or even likes you, which ties back into your comment about emotions note being something to toy with. Trust and honesty are important in any relationship, not just a sexual or Relationship relationship.

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

my partner is fairly secure, and has even joked about me shagging other people

Hah hah! Tell him we're off the see the Channel Six and see how secure he is! ;)

Maybe he's just trying to tell you he wants to see you and some of those ladies from that Renault commercial shake your groove thing ensemble. *rrrrrggglllllleeeee!!!!*

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate 100% OTM re: the Golden Rule.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

No, sex does not automatically equal love. I spent a lot of time fooling around and I know that. But if you trust someone, and you want them to trust you, that means that you don't betray that trust. Having a relationship means making a choice. I don't believe that "Oh, that didn't mean anything" extra-relationship sex has any place in a relationship.

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Sex without love is like eggs without the cake.

i.e. not the same.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

And a bit eggy.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

quite.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post... I think that part of the reason HSA can joke is cause he is secure. Also, he's of the opinion that the idea that other people desire me makes me more desireable to him.

However, the one time that he did actually get jealous and weird was in regards to the C6. (Even though that's a crush that's so dead I forget it ever meant something to me.) I said that you wanted to take me to see Dan C6, and he said "Who's Dan C6?" and I said "the boy that Channel Heaven is about" and he just got this supremely pissed off look and said "you're sacked!"

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, nine times out of ten, it doesn't.
Maybe I'm being utopian in my idea of having an open relationship.
It all stems from my running off to shag John Taylor in a heartbeat get-out-of-jail-free-card anyway. ;)

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Absolutely not. Kate is OTM and Catty is one of those people with a value system different in absolute terms to mine (totally not a diss, btw). It may be old-fashioned and constricting, but it's all I have.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm with HSA on that. I have no jealousy about it.

Conversely, I would never admit I fancied any girl (famous) to her. mostly as I don't. (That doesn't look right, but I'll leave it like that)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hah hah! Tell him we're off the see the Channel Six and see how secure he is! ;)

Maybe he's just trying to tell you he wants to see you and some of those ladies from that Renault commercial shake your groove thing ensemble. *rrrrrggglllllleeeee!!!!*

eh?

Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I said that you wanted to take me to see Dan C6

yeah, and he wasn't even the reason we were going! he was just an opening act!

I bet that has a lot to do with the art produced as a side effect of that crush. "Channel Heaven" is a luverly song and he's probably just moaning that there aren't any luverly songs about him on yummylicious thick raspberry vinyl.

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and this has only just got going good and I'm off home.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, the Renault commercial with all the shaking bottoms? "I see you baby, shaking that ass..." *cue peaches* "shaking that ass" *cue vibrating buttcheeks* etc....?

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we're all in agreement that if both parties aren't open to the idea, then it isn't a good idea. What about cases where both parties are open to the idea?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

If both parties are open to the idea, and they can do it without hurting one another and maintaining trust and respect, then I don't think anyone else (religions, institutions, etc) should tell them how they should live their lives.

I would like to see a culture than can institutionalise a woman having more than one husband or a harem instead of the other way around.

Catty (Catty), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with basically everything Kate has said.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

And the rest of us can watch as their relationship crumbles with hate, acrimony and insecure weeping.

(x-post. sorta)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

beyond trust issues, beyond loyalty issues, beyond jealousy issues or even health issues...

I'm way too lazy to even think about dealing with someone who doesn't know what I like in bed.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes! I totally would!!!

ha ha. Just kidding.

But seriously, folks. I love my bf so much that I'm not having sex these whole 2 weeks he's out of the state. Isn't that amazing?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Sex without love is like eggs without the cake.
i.e. not the same.

Sex without love is like sharing potato waffles without love.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Given the opportunity, I would sleep with my partner.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Given the opportunity, I'd rather not sleep with nickalicious's partner.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a good idea, as my partner lately is my left hand.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Poor, neglected right hand.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Righty has his tasks, trust me.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ew. Okay...line = crossed. Sorry.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no tell me more!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 4 December 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I've too much conscience to enjoy getting away with it (even if I could), so no. As Kate said, why bother getting a partner (in the first place?)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 5 December 2003 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I must have weird friends or you lot are all old-fashioned, cause I know quite a few people who are actively polyamourous. It ain't my thing at all personally, but I have friends who not only do this, but make it work quite well.

It doesn't always have to equate to sex either. I'd love to be able to cuddle and have a snog/be physically close to a few of my lovely male friends. I choose not to because I know Nick would be upset about it. But we can both happily perv on people (of either sex) and tell each other about it and not get upset. Now THATS trust if you ask me. Hell, I was telling Jim about someone I crush on the other night and Nick was sitting right next to me and didnt mind a bit.

Cos he knows I lub him!

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 5 December 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Never. Ever. Seriously. But I'm strange like that.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 5 December 2003 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Possibly. Any prairie boys interested while I'm here? I have been pleasantly surprised...

c in regina, Friday, 5 December 2003 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

eh, probably not. But I'd do your partner when their sneaking around on you, ;)

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 5 December 2003 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, to be more specific: At one point I wanted to have cheated at least once, to see what it was like, and I even tried once. But alas, it didn't work out. And then I didn't break up with my bf anyway, which turned out to be kind of a mistake.... bleh.

c in regina, Friday, 5 December 2003 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, it didn't hit me exactly what was bothering me about this thread until I was halfway home. And then I realised:

if you were absolutely certain your partner could never find out?

Is the bit that bugs the shit out of me. Even what Catty is talking about is something very different from this. IF you are the type of person that wants/needs a flexible or open relationship, that's still very different from the subject of this thead. Because in infidelity, it's not the SEX that hurts and destroys the relationship, it's the lying. It's called infidelity for a reason.

I think what is being asked in this thread is "would you sleep around if you were absolutely certain that your partner COULD NOT GET HURT BY IT" which is NOT the same thing as not finding out/knowing about it. Not finding out/not knowing actually makes it WORSE because lying and betrayal of trust compounds the actual sex.

What Catty wants is a "get out of relationship free card" for fantasy.

The only way I could possibly see it as being OK is if both partners were aware of, and OK with it. And I am just not that kind of person. (Not a value judgement, BTW. It's just not in my personality.)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 5 December 2003 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ditto.

That scenario before (polyamorous), I know if my favourite girlfrend was getting cuddly w/someone else, i'd just get sulky.

It's not for me, but yeah I've seen it happen. It doesn't work though, not as well...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 December 2003 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)


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