Canadians! Knock it off with the patriotism already!

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Jeez. I hope we didn't cover this somewhere else already.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I might have mentioned it somewhere.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

But not too loudly.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we should have some system to tell all the Canadian ILXors apart from the Americans.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Manners?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Like little tags on our I.D.s that say we are not eligible to bid on Iraq reconstruction because we're not Halliburton...er, weren't part of the Coalition of the Willing.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

There were a lot more business etc. that worked the maple leaf into their logo in Canada than you'd normally find business using a stars-and-bars motif in the U.S. (This may have to do with Canada's flag being several degrees less garish than the U.S. one.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it has something to do with US-based companies having to do something with their logos to make them Canadian here, not out of any patriotism. It used to be kind of a joke that what made us Canadian was that we weren't American BUT NOT ANYMORE!

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This article is really stupid. Canadians have been brandishing their luggage with maple leaVES for years. They've got to go with the pre-emptive strike -- "Don't you even DARE assume I'm American!" -- it's the only idenity they have beyond comedians, toques, and Rush.

When they want to act like assholes, they take the leaves off their bags and tell people they're Americans. I have a theory that the American Tourist stereotype actually comes from Canadians because everyone knows Americans don't travel.

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031211/ids_photos_wl/r2034701997.jpg

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

dammit! forgot about stupid yahoo.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031211/ids_photos_wl/r2034701997.jpg

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

this is a hilarious article... by brandishing their threatening maple leaves they're saying 'WE'RE NOT AMERICAN'....
well, sort of... in that they're saying 'we're canadian'. i don't think the world revolves around america to the extent that anyone displaying their national flag is having a dig at The Glorious Empire. i wasn't aware that it was compulsory to fly the stars and stripes, regardless of your nationality.

also... what's this bit about?

Canadian comedian Rick Mercer said at a recent Toronto show that being attached to America is like "being in a pen with a wounded bull," joking that between gay marriage and pot smoking, "it's a wonder there is not a giant deck of cards out there with all our faces on it."

gay marriage and pot smoking - still illegal in canada, aren't they? did i miss something??

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

See, you all also missed the fact that I had a maple leaf on my lapel on tour, because I left it at Ant's house.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

A front-page story in the New York Times this week, which declared that Canada's stance on social issues is opening rifts with the U.S., is unwittingly confirmed with the earlier findings of the report.

uhm, there's a slight different btween "the U.S" and "more vocal members of the U.S. Administration."

in other news, not that this has anything to do with anything, but Vancouver has a decent music scene and cute indie rock girls, yes?

I'm just askin'.

For a friend.

Just in case.

― Kingfish Beefstick (Kingfish), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

well, gay marriages are allowed, and pot smoking has been 'unofficially' de-criminalized. and should soon be legal for medicinal uses. i knew this guy who worked for the toronto police vice squad and for ages he's said that they have been told to let most pot offences pass, with the exception of large volumes (over 2 ounces i think)

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Canada, I just want to say

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

gay marriage is sort of legal right now. there's sort of a loophole (if the fact that banning it has been deemed unconstitutional can be called a loophole) that the current Prime Minister (whose last day is today) has said he has no intention of closing. Whether Paul Martin (who will be coronated, er, sworn in tomorrow) continues Chretien's underrated legacy of tolerance and progressiveness is a matter of serious speculation.

pot smoking is in the process of being decriminalized, which is significantly different from being made legal.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Kingfish: I can tell you with authority that Regina, at least, has a few cute indie-rock girls. I actually have the e-mail address of one, unless my bass player stole it from me.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, this could be the dumbest article ever. Americans generally couldn't give a rat's ass about us. The wounded bull bit - we can just get trampled by the US if they so chose, the cards thing refers to the Iraqi playing cards.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, that article is silly. the flag on backpack thing is indeed very old, and:

an American from San Diego is quoted saying: "What bugs me about Canadians, if I may, is that they wear that damn patch on their bags, the Canadian flag patch. That way, they differentiate themselves from us."

Oh, sorry. We'll pretend that we're part of America then, if you prefer.

I love how everytime I meet people here in the UK, as soon as they find out I'm Canadian, the first thing they say almost every time is "Oh, so sorry. I thought you were American"

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Vancouver has an excellent music scene and cute indie chicks, tell your "friend" to fear not.
Though my sources tell me the Sugar Refinery is closing and this will dampen the scene a bit. So perhaps your "friend" can comfort all the cute indie chicks by strumming a sad little tune on your six-string acoustic while they weep into your hemp cardigan.

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, your friend's guitar and your friend's cardigan, obviously.

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Regina is actually the new Halifax.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The report says even Americans who blame the Bush administration to some extent for the country's poor relations with the world do not seem to understand why friendly countries and neighbours such as Canada would want to distance themselves from Americans.

This is so ridiculous.

― kirsten (kirsten), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like your at a party and you happened to show up at the same time as the coke head and wearing similar clothes. You spent half the party saying, "Oh no, we're not here together."

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

For instance, an American from San Diego is quoted saying: "What bugs me about Canadians, if I may, is that they wear that damn patch on their bags, the Canadian flag patch. That way, they differentiate themselves from us."
=
High School student on a Model UN field trip, "Those nerds think they're so damn cool just because they're surrounded by nerds from other schools talking about stupid global politics. Wait 'till we get back home, we'll put them back in their place. Nerds!"

― BrianB (BrianB), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Canadians are totally the kid who knows all the answers and gets good grades, but never gets to date the cheerleader.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

H. Mann OTM.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I will say this: at least we still have FRENCH fries, for chrissakes.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

When I was travelling, I met several Americans who wore the maple leaf patches on their bags, like, to go undercover. So stupid. People didn't know I was American until they spoke to me, and speaking to me seemed to make them realize I was neither a drooling idiot nor a fascist. No "bad vibes" for me. That's why things like this irritate me so much.

― kirsten (kirsten), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Lots of Americans wear the Canadian flag patch when they travel, too.

― Nemo (JND), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

You go the extra mile and have "poutine", French Fries IN FRENCH.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

My first encounter with extreme Canadian patriotism was seeing the Hanson Brothers and Nomeansno live in 1993... It's like they were going to take over or some shit like that. And the audience were all "YEAH, CANADA, WOOHOO! YOU ROCK!".

You guys just need a new PR campaign involving old guys in Victoria that play punk rock.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't Canada have enough PR campaigns?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

and we invented French Fries De Luxe, a way to make French Fries even more cholesterolian and tasty and big bottom making, and we named them a homonym for whore!
http://athleteca.tierranet.com/images/poutine.gif

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

big xpost btw

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Canada should follow the New Zealand model: have a Canadian director film a superexpensive and ambitious series of "Chronicles of Narnia" movies, and then create a "Come to Narnia!" tourism campaign.

― Nemo (JND), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

or better yet, come to the New York you've come to love in the movies (aka Toronto).

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

They already film everything in Canada. There was a film being made in Moose Jaw the day after we played there. (Apparently the producers were supposed to stay there a week but only lasted two days before saying it was too goddamn cold and leaving town.)

― (Chris Piuma), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

or the Chicago you're going to hate (Winnipeg in an upcoming J.Lo movie) (x-post)

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but "Come to the Fake Chicago!" doesn't have the same appeal as "Come to Narnia!", at least for me.

― Nemo (JND), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Regina stood in for Kansas once (in an Andy Garcia movie starring ME!!!). I think people actually go to Kansas now expecting it to look like Regina.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

>My first encounter with extreme Canadian patriotism was seeing the Hanson Brothers and Nomeansno live in 1993

On that note, have you ever seen a Nardwuar/Evaporators gig? Christ, talk about serious Canadiana:
http://www.nardwuar.com/records/

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Huck, you are not in the IMDB, I call shenanigans!

― (Chris Piuma), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

also (and this could be my most oft-repeated line on ILX) Calgary is Metropolis!!! (At least in the the first two Supes flicks).

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I should put myself in. I've seen people I know on IMDB, who obviously put themselves on there. For just as dubious accomplishments.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Canada should follow the New Zealand model: have a Canadian director film a superexpensive and ambitious series of "Chronicles of Narnia" movies, and then create a "Come to Narnia!" tourism campaign.

We tried that but "Come to Toronto and get Short Circuited" or "Vancouver, the other Bronx" and "Canada, Have a Crashing good time!" didn't help.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

My first assault of severe Candianism came from some of the most damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't Canadians EVER.

Want to assert your Canadiancy? Want to be patriotic? Stop shopping at Wal-Mart. Stop driving across the border to see bands.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Sorry. I've had to deal with a lot of this since I began a romantic relationship with a Canadian six years ago.

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha. Catty OTM.
Yesterday some American firm bought 10% of the Hudson's Bay Co. and a few people were all like "But this is a Cdn institution! We must protect it!"
Meanwhile Canadians are in DEEP love with Wal-Mart.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Winnipeg in an upcoming J.Lo movie

Oh no! Married to a Winnipeglet means I have to hear this bit of trivia for the next 60000000 years. (See: "Anna Paquin? She's from Winnipeg!" or "That girl who did My Big Fat Greek Wedding is from Winnipeg!)

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

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Boston Pizza?!? Why aren't there any Taco Bells in Boston, BTW?

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops I forgot to be all patriotic that time.

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

BOSTON PIZZA?!!!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it's a huge chain up there. We were shocked.

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It's seriously about as popular as Pizza Hut down here, except it's got more of a Denny's feel and they serve booze.

There's also a chain called Houston Pizza; it's like they just pick places randomly. (Though my bf suggested maybe it's Houston Pizza as in Houston Street in NYC, but that seems unlikely.)

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

First off, yes, Taco Time is vaguely Mexican BUT OH SO GOOD STOP BEING A HATA!!! Second, what did you eat at Boston Pizza? I love that place, goddamnit! Denny's feel? YOU ARE SO DRUNK M'MAN!!!

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I would swear there at least two Taco Bells in Winnipeg alone. But I wouldn't be surprised if you skipped Winnipeg on your trip.

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I see by their website that there is a U.S. version called "Boston's, The Gourmet PIzza"! Crazy. They're in a sort of random assortment of midwest states (and Alaska).

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT'S IT, CATTY!!! DROP THE GLOVES!!! ;-)

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

No, we saw them in Winnipeg and (I think) Calgary. But we ate better food in Winnipeg, they are down with the vegetarian shit in the Peg.

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Boston Pizza -- where 80s interior design lives forever.

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes! HA!!! I feel so nostalgic when I eat there!!!

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Take that! and that! *pow*

Winnipeg is nice. It's got lovely rivers and monastic ruins. And... er... a ballet.

Actually, if anyone knows where to get one's paws on a DVD of the Winnipeg Ballet's Dracula, please email me STAT. It was actually aired on telly here ONCE and I missed it. I was pissed. Especially after I arrived in Winnipeg like the day after it closed and missed it live. feck!

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Veggies in the 'Peg dig Little Saigon. The Husband still weeps over it, he misses it so much. Mmmm, fried yam.

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Boston Pizza does rate better than Denny's, which isn't saying much.

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I can pick one up for you, Catty. Just email me your address. That's right! I forgot to take the boys to walk around the ruins in St. Norbert. I haven't been to Little Saigon in a while. It is really good but the service has sucked st times unlike Delicious where the service is CRAZY.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

It'll be the wrong region, though, won't it?

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Especially when we're the only ones there!

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It's often like that at Little Saigon, too. They tend to ignore you and concentrate on the karaoke machine instead.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

We could have done karaoke? How drunk would we have had to get you to hear you belt out "Solid! Solid as a rock! That's what this love is!"?

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Stone cold sober my friend. Can we do karaoke if I go down there?

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Only if you sing "Solid As A Rock".

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure. Can I do "War Pigs" after that?

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If they have it at the Alibi, yes.

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool! I'll pop a bunch of Canadian flag lapel pins into my forehead like Vyvyan with the stars.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Boastful, boastful Canadian.

― (Chris Piuma), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Houston Pizza is a Regina or Regina area only chain. There was once, a long time ago, a big feature in the newspaper here about the origins of Pizza in the Queen City. It was a really cool story, surprisingly. It seems there were three Greek brothers who immigrated to SK and all started up pizza joints.
75% of all restaurants in Regina are run by Greeks, yet we only have one Greek restaurant.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Houston Pizza is really good just in case anyone who's thinking of visiting Regina would like to know, though I think I still prefer Trifon's crust.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I have a cousin in Regina. Do you know her?

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, she's hot.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

http://ambassador21.com/images/foto/nomeansno.gif

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Ain't The Smugglers the Ambassadors of Canadian Rawk?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I like to think so. Grant Lawrence is one of my heroes.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I've worked with him (on the radio). I was just about to say he's a smug guy, but, uh, of course he is. Beez is real nice though.
And in truth, Grant is sort of nice too. But he's also real smug.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Truly a smug-gler? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

We were like talking all friendly like and normal, and then as soon as the on-air sign went on, he was like Grant! Lawrence! and I was all like, "uhhh, uhhh."
It was my first time doing radio. I'm waaaay better now.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Was I smug too? I was, wasn't I. Bleh.

Sorry about the poop joke.

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

No no, that was okay.
Actually, the only thing that I would've changed was the repeated mention of Boston Pizza. Since they're not sponsors and all.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! Well, you know. Boston Pizza! It's freaky! Anyway we were making fun of them, it was hardly an endorsement... If they were sponsors they might have heard us and dropped the sponsorship, consider yourself lucky.

― (Chris Piu, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

If the Smugglers are the ambassadors for Canadian Rawk, what does that make the following:

Rush
the 'hip
The Bonaduces
Slooooo-ooooan
Sarah McLachlan

― Catty (Catty), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

mmm Bubba's poutine in Kingston...

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 12 December 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

If the Smugglers are the ambassadors for Canadian Rawk, what does that make the following:

Rush
the 'hip
The Bonaduces
Slooooo-ooooan
Sarah McLachlan

No fair Cat, you know I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE The Bonaduces. The Tragically Shit are crap, Sarah is a long and annoying story and Rush are technically proficent. Slooooan are great but Im not sure I want the first rock star a forigener to meet is Chris, maybe Jay, Patrick or Andrew but not Chris.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

can nïckleback be our ambassadors¿ just for a laugh.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 12 December 2003 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys just wish you had a Menudo. Instead you get Moxy Früvous!

― (Chris Piuma), Friday, 12 December 2003 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris Smurphy! He's so Smurphy!!!!! How can he not be an excellent ambassador for Canadian music???

― Catty (Catty), Friday, 12 December 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

can nïckleback be our ambassadors¿ just for a laugh.

yeah, like Alphonse Gagliano!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone already feeling some nostalgia for Jean? ;-) Goodale as finance minister. McLellan as DPM. The greasy ant head Reg Alcock as Treasury Board president. Sheila's gone (which is really pretty shitty I think). Nervous times.

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck. everybody at work is watching the ceremony. as if it's interesting or important. because it isn't. unless ralphie left his fly down (which I asked him to do)

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you go to the Y with him, Huck?

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the new Wheat Board policy? we knocked that out in the steam room.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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