― Leee Iacocca (Leee), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)
I like dynasties though and prefer college football because of it.
― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 13 December 2003 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)
(btw, the Bengals had clearly been improving the last few years in terms of personnel, and it was only a matter of time before they were above 500)
- Alan
― Alan Conceicao, Saturday, 13 December 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Leee Iacocca (Leee), Saturday, 13 December 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)
Its not the fault of free agency, the owner, or Paul Tagliabue that Warner was playing hurt or that the defense suddenly became the worst in the league (it was effectively the same squad as the year prior). All the pieces were there for them to do so. Not only that, the very next year they returned to the Super Bowl (though they lost to New England in the waining seconds). To claim that dynasties are impossible in the current enviroment is crazy.
― Alan Conceicao, Saturday, 13 December 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)
The Rams would have won another Superbowl if their coach wasn't an idiot and forgot that he had Marshall Faulk.
There are a bunch of clubs that never get anywhere outside the odd year that everything works because the ownership/management generally are idiots that make cash whether they win or lose: i.e. Chargers, Bears, Cardinals, Bengals, Falcons, and Seahawks. The Bucs, Rams, and Eagles were general doormats forever until the past few years.
I think the fact that the coaches are getting a whole lot more cash has made the competition for jobs increase, as you can make some good scratch as a defensive line coach compared to twenty years ago. You also have a bunch of coaches that have taken what has worked for other coaches and disseminated across the league. Until Bill Walsh, you just didn't see coaches doing the raw number crunching to figure out talent and what works, now everyone does it.
The rules have also changed, benefiting the passing offense. It is much easier to put together a team that can air it out and go 9-7 in an odd year that develop a crushing defense, which seems to sustain teams over time.
Why haven't teams like the Cowboys happened? Because the ownership of the teams such as Vikings aren't stupid enough to trade a crazy amount of draft picks to Dallas for Herchel Walker. (Of course, we will see if what happens with the Raiders and their booty from giving up the Gruden and with the five picks NE gets next year.)
SF was very smart with their dynasty. They got rid of many popular players a year or two before they crashed like Montana and Lott and replaced them with excellent draft/free agent signings. The 49ers just knew what they were doing for a good long while, of course the magic fades away for all eventually.
The Bears for a few years after the 85 Superbowl team was shackled by the fact they would end up with Steve Fuller or Doug Flutie quarterbacking the team when it got into the playoffs. Luck has a big part to do with repeating, i.e. not having Alonzo Carreker of the Packers break Jimmy Mac in week 15 before the playoffs in 86. It still burns me up.
The scheduling can be tougher on some teams these days. The Eagles have definitely benefited from not having to play ANYONE from the AFC West in the past two years. Flip that around, the Pats last year got screwed having to play in a tough division and against the AFC West.
The Bengals played well the year before last with Kitna as QB, then last year their coach went with Gus (I break my head on the wall) Ferotte and the season was freakin' over before it begun.
Don't forget the Broncos won two in a row just a few years back, so it could happen.
― earlnash, Saturday, 13 December 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 13 December 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― bnw (bnw), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)
lol, how little we knew
― cankles, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:00 (eighteen years ago)
^^^^arizona cardinals fan
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:02 (eighteen years ago)
I opened up this thread and then started thinking about this past superbowl and it took me about 30 seconds to remember that the patriots didn't win it
― bernard snowy, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)
having watched pretty much all of america's game I can't imagine how painfully boring the 70s must have been for anybody who didn't want to root for dallas or pittsburgh
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:41 (eighteen years ago)
unless you were really into watching the playoffs for injuries, kind of like nascar is just a bunch of crashes
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)
I can't imagine how painfully boring the 70s must have been for anybody who didn't want to root for dallas or pittsburgh
on the contrary, the '70s pats were as exciting it got. they'd beat the teams they weren't supposed to and lose to the ones they should've beat. every game was a crapshoot. sam cunningham, steve grogan, stanley morgan, hog hannah... great offense. julie adams, steve grogan, ray clayborn, michael haynes... tremendous d. coaching staff and front office was usually fucked beyond fucked though.
― chicago kevin, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:46 (eighteen years ago)
er, steve nelson was the linebacker i meant to put in there. grogan could barely make it through a game at one position, never mind two.
― chicago kevin, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:48 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.sportsgalleryweb.com/images/football/photos/steel_curtain_large.jpg
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)
ok though I don't think the 70's patriots are really a justification for removing the salary cap etc.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)
my argument was as oblique as yours though so fair's fair
I just think dynasties are lame
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)
i like dynasties when they're my team.
pats are gonna roll again this year.
― chicago kevin, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)
we know, shut up. I hope tom brady and bill belichick run their segways into a bus.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)
randy moss is the bus driver
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:01 (eighteen years ago)
segways detailed with rainbow streamers
hey tom, no need to be sour. so the giants lost tiki barber, look on the bright side, you still have tom coughlin.
enjoy!
― chicago kevin, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:03 (eighteen years ago)
why would they be riding michael strahan's segways?
― chicago kevin, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:04 (eighteen years ago)
well done
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)
because they're a fruity couple of dudes.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:09 (eighteen years ago)
*double birdies as hard as I can*
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:12 (eighteen years ago)
obligatory:
http://spartacus859.tripod.com/album1/shockey.gif
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:13 (eighteen years ago)
lol pwned by tripod.
― Leee, Monday, 2 July 2007 02:28 (eighteen years ago)
for those of who prefer to read urls instead of look at pics, it worked well enough.
I think the meme is established enough now that a simple "shockey.gif" will do
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 03:44 (eighteen years ago)
having watched pretty much all of america's game I can't imagine how painfully boring the 70s must have been for anybody who didn't want to root for dallas or pittsburgh-- El Tomboto, Monday, July 2, 2007 1:41 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link
-- El Tomboto, Monday, July 2, 2007 1:41 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link
haha i was bummed when i realized that i'd seen pretty much all the eps of america's game. hope they do one for the colts!
the fact that the pats are such preseason favs makes me uneasy. i know i'm not as big a pats fan as kev but imo dynasties suck even when they are your team. sorta. i mean, i was happy as shit after the third SB win, but it's the aftereffect a few years later that is really unsatisfying?
also i am not super convinced that the pats can beat indy yet. the last coupla years the (shitty & boring) debate was URR BRADY VS. PEYTON, NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO YOU CANT GO WRONG EITHER WAY, but i think peyton's like a cyborg now he is just lightyears beyond everyone including brady. he was already one of the hardest sacks (no homo) to get because of the awareness, footwork, quick release, and now that he added mobility to his game he is mb the most unsackable quarterback ever. also possibly the funniest
― cankles, Monday, 2 July 2007 07:47 (eighteen years ago)