Can someone explain Ayn Rand to me?!

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err the thread title says it all..who/what is Ayn Rand and should I be worried that Alan Greenspan's a fan?!

Maimonides (Maimonides), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

if you like reading the very badly and artlessly written psychopathic rape and murder fantasies of a very mentally disturbed person, then ayn's fer you.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

sounds lovely :S, isn't she just intellectual cover for the 'greed is good' and 'wipe out the prole scum' crowd?

Maimonides (Maimonides), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

She's fucking evil!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

so the general consensus is Ayn Rand=Anti Christ?

Maimonides (Maimonides), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Buy some Rush albums.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

She's a self-proclaimed "right-wing extremist".
In one of her book she goes on about how everything would fall apart if the patron class (whom in a intellectually dishonest move she tries to gratuitously associate with scientists, creative artists and other intellectuals) would go on strike.
Yesterday I saw "Bread and Roses" by Ken Loach, it's like an anti-ayn rand movie.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

She was also used as an apologist and rent-a-soundbite person for the beastly Soviet regime in the days of yore.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Randroids and their basic philosophy can be summed up thusly:

We are free to screw you over.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Gravel pits have never been the same for me.

I wish I wasn't weak and helped people.

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Bread and Roses is the title of an autobiography of one of the earliest NZ women mps. You should read it if you liked that film She did live an heroic and interesting life (but some people can't forget that she didn't raise her voice against the 1980s Labour government, which vigourously pursued a lot of right wing ideals).

isadora (isadora), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember that comment by a certain Republican who, while discussing progressive taxes for the wealthy, said: "Why should we penalize the best people?" That was a deeply Randish comment. To get really over-reductive about it: she had A Bad Experience with communism. In what some might call a bout of over-reaction she feel madly in love with the "absolute freedom" sense of capitalism and the west and a sort of Social-Darwinist sense of "the best people" shall lead us / and them we shall aspire to be. . . . And so now hardcore libertarians -- i.e. the kind for whom it's not a concrete political issue but a deep-down philosophical and moral and ethical thing -- they love Rand like nobody's business.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 15 December 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

ha, i once broke up with a girl in college because she joined an Ayn Rand study group and changed in frightening ways.

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Rand did name herself after her typwriter though, i always found that endearing

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

someone should post the Rand-lover dating site here for Maimonides!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

someone should post a link to this thread on the Rand-lover dating site

man, Monday, 15 December 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Is any of her stuff like, actually worth reading or is it just annoying?

I remember reading about that one that says altruism debases a human being (the Virtue Of Selfishness, or something) and being mildly interested.

Fug (Ferg), Monday, 15 December 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

she was a ho

Vic (Vic), Monday, 15 December 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

her "philosophy" is sort of half-baked nietzsche, watered/dumbed down for yer typical 1950s flannel-wearing businessman type. you should go to the old school source if you want the hardcore altruism/judeo-christianity/philistine bashing.

her appeal nowadays is sorta like rage against the machine, only for young republicans.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 15 December 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The same-sex functions of that Randroid dating site amused me no end, given Ayn's hostility to homosexuality.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 15 December 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah -- you can take the girl outta russia, but you can't take the russia outta the girl. i.e., the movie version of the fountainhead was aesthetically just stalinist socialist realist-brutalism with the good guys and the bad guys flip-flopped.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 15 December 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

nabisco otm about her 'bad experience;' her family was bourguois (factory owners i think) and did poorly under the soviets. afaik, they walked out of russia through georgia (yes walked) and eventually ended up in the u.s.; she kept going on to hollywood, where other people who walked out of europe built a paradise and an empire in a generation. so yeah, extremes!

did anyone see that hbo movie with helen mirren as rand?

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 15 December 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Rand was nothing like Nietzsche.

Dan I., Monday, 15 December 2003 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Rand was the cartoon version of the cartoon version of Nietzsche.

If you want to read her fiction, try Anthem, a short book that can be read in 45 minutes. Should be enough.

fletrejet, Monday, 15 December 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

If you want to piss off "Objectivists" or whatever name the dorks call themselves, call her ANN Rand. That really pisses them off.
Say it. It's fun. Then they go, "It's not ANN Rand, it's AYE-N Rand."

Then, I say, "Keep looking up... DEEZ NUTZ!!!"

Star Hustler, Monday, 15 December 2003 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

anything that annoys randites = ok by me. the way they use their pre-formatted, logic-obsessed, anal-retentive "philosophy" to oh-so-smugly translate every fucking thing in the world into their own personal reverse-stalinist worldview = vile. seeing otherwise nice, sensible people spout this claptrap at you and giving you a knowing "oh, you'll come around..." smile when you venture a disagreement = total fucking dud.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 15 December 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

and yeah i know this is getting into "bash other targets please" territory but GOD these people are annoying, on almost every level. why are college campuses full of them?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 15 December 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Because college-kids are all privileged to some degree (by virtue of being in college rather than the mines) and have a much better chance to become extremely successful under a Randroid dream society, by virtue of education, social advantages, etc. etc. etc..

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 15 December 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the pic on the dating service site of a guy w/a piece of quiche, very openminded of them

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 15 December 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I carry a cane.

Cold Cobra, Monday, 15 December 2003 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.ghu.ca/tb/index.htm

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Um...wha?

Prude (Prude), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

in defense of ayn rand, part of what she writes is acceptable and good to hear, like not giving up your dreams and not thinking that your happiness depends solely on other people. it's nice to read her books even if what she says seems crazy because her youthful ideals survived for her entire life. i think that's sweet but maybe i just haven't suffered enough to want to give up MY childhood ideals about the world being good. (let's not get into her cult and all, please. or her weird crazinesses. i'm not trying to defend everything about her, just saying there's something there that attracts people and it's not just arrogance.)

ok, for books to read, i like we the living because it was from a point when she wasn't like "raawr compassion is evil", and atlas shrugged because it has a random pirate.

Maria (Maria), Monday, 15 December 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicely put, Silyl.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 15 December 2003 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we all do a telepathic hivemind wish for her to DIE?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 15 December 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

...

It worked!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 15 December 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember when I was in high school, some Ayn Rand Society type thing was doing a competition offering a huge cash prize (can't remember how much, like $1000 or something) to the high school student who wrote the best essay on The Fountainhead. My 11th Grade English teacher really tried to push me into entering. I got about 5 pages into The Fountainhead and decided it was the worst rubbish I'd read in a long time, and pulled out of the competition. Wow, I'm sure glad that I did!

HRH Queen Kate (kate), Monday, 15 December 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

G'bless the IMDB:

Had a longtime amphetamine prescription for "weight control"; it is believed that this may have influenced some of her later behavior and decision-making.

Does anyone know what the latter is a reference to? I'm having a Monday Morning, and could do with stories of Objectivists inviting Ayn to fancy dinners, and her doing the hokey-cokey on the table.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 15 December 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I think that's the one I tried to read. Is that the one about the railroads? I attempted to read it as a teenager and couldn't get past the shitty shitty writing.

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 15 December 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the Fountainhead was about bad architecture, but I can't remember. It was more than 15 years ago, after all.

HRH Queen Kate (kate), Monday, 15 December 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but Neil Peart's Rad.....

If I want to read fiction by swivel-eyed maniacs, I'll stick w/Wyndham Lewis, thx. One of the few times I actually got scared on teh intarweb was when I looked at this deranged robotick rand fansite, and got the ph34r. What if these people find out I'm looking at their site? Can they find me, and hunt my ass down? It was like the pod-people in "...er argc, that film. The one where people come out of pods, and take over. Anyway, I suppose her whole life story & stuff in kind of interesting, but her followers - ick. God help us all if this thread gets googled pt 217.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Please write me some Ayn Rand porn.

(and of course let me know if anyone googles for "Ayn Rand porn")

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember when I was in high school, some Ayn Rand Society type thing was doing a competition offering a huge cash prize (can't remember how much, like $1000 or something) to the high school student who wrote the best essay on The Fountainhead. My 11th Grade English teacher really tried to push me into entering. I got about 5 pages into The Fountainhead and decided it was the worst rubbish I'd read in a long time, and pulled out of the competition. Wow, I'm sure glad that I did!

Kate, we had this at our school too! Even though I thought a lot of the ideas in the book were pretty repulsive I entered anyway because I was desperate for money -- I wasn't exactly surprised I didn't win because it was torture just writing the essay.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

God, the brainwashing of desperate high school students for cash... it really just repulses me.

HRH Queen Kate (kate), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

We had that, too.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the brainwashing happened regardless of the money.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

If need someone to explain Ayn Rand to you then you don't deserve to understand. At least that's what she might say.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

If Ayn Rand is 'objective', then why is she all creepy and Aryan-worshipping?

When I was in college, my roommate dated a Randian goth who called his band "We the Living".

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Randian goth

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ts 'we, the living' vs 'they live, we sleep'.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

If Ayn Rand hadn't flattered the wealthy and powerful so ardently and earnestly, she'd be 100% forgotten today.

Aimless, Friday, 20 September 2013 03:00 (twelve years ago)

worst photoshop ever

ian, Friday, 20 September 2013 03:07 (twelve years ago)

That's in Ayn's own handwriting, pen clamped in fingers cramped by hatred and frustration. Her autograph fetches a good price by those who don't understand what value is.

I have gathered no gaudy flowers of speech in other men's gardens (dowd), Friday, 20 September 2013 05:57 (twelve years ago)

reminds me of

http://25.media.tumblr.com/649ca3396e55b9c25251beb4d0f0776a/tumblr_mf8h02Vrax1rtr3kno1_1280.png

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 20 September 2013 06:08 (twelve years ago)

Thomas, appointed to the high court in 1991, briefly touched on his confirmation hearings— which included accusations of sexual harassment — calling it "not pleasant," his intellectual development and his conversion to a conservative judicial philosophy that has guided his two decades on the court.

"Why was a black kid in Georgia reading Ayn Rand?" Thomas said. "I have no idea."

乒乓, Friday, 20 September 2013 13:29 (twelve years ago)

I remember the first time I heard of Rand - I was about 20! No one reads her in Europe. One of my Philosophy professors asked the room if anyone had heard of her and this US student raised her hand and identified as an Objectivist at which point the lecturer proceeded to do what can only be described as a half-hour postmortem hazing of Rand. Just really brutal, and fairly mean to this poor girl. Then I found out that people actually read her in America, which was just puzzling.

I have gathered no gaudy flowers of speech in other men's gardens (dowd), Friday, 20 September 2013 14:12 (twelve years ago)

I just read Eon Colfer's book Screwed and the central character Dan McEvoy says he wound up with a copy of the Fountainhead at the end of some caper and learnt a lot from it.
Screwed is a current book by a writer I enjoy so not sure how happy I am to find that in it. Not very in short. Unless I'm missing some level on which it's not an endorsement.

Stevolende, Friday, 27 September 2013 10:47 (twelve years ago)

Thought it funny that I saw that just after having read through this thread, since it was a couple days after when i came across the paragraph concerned.

Stevolende, Friday, 27 September 2013 10:48 (twelve years ago)

Ex-army sergeant Daniel McEvoy is ready to say goodbye New Jersey's lawless underworld and concentrate on his new life as club owner and bona fide boyfriend. But when he's abducted and driven into the Hudson by a vengeful crime boss, he realises that the New Jersey underworld isn't ready to say goodbye to him.

If Dan is to survive, he will have to evade bad guys on both sides of the law and find the missing aunt who once taught him how to handle boobs.

i have no idea but on reading this blurb i wdn't necessarily take the protagonist's thoughts as authorial endorsement

how do i shot cwmbran? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 September 2013 12:33 (twelve years ago)

if Rand wd appeal to anybody it wd be lunk-headed rugged individual action heroes

how do i shot cwmbran? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 September 2013 12:34 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

thisfuckingguy.jpg

http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2013/09/17/give-back-yes-its-time-for-the-99-to-give-back-to-the-1/

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:12 (twelve years ago)

harry binswanger

durianlychee (imago), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:18 (twelve years ago)

binswanger

durianlychee (imago), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:19 (twelve years ago)

bins wanger

durianlychee (imago), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:19 (twelve years ago)

harry 'the bins wanger' binswanger

durianlychee (imago), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:19 (twelve years ago)

A+ trolling Harry "I defend laissez-faire capitalism, using Ayn Rand's Objectivism" Binswanger

I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:22 (twelve years ago)

so p much trolling is just this guy's thing?

Insider Trading Is A Right: Don't Shackle The Knowledge-Seekers

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:35 (twelve years ago)

trolling is his Randian objectivist right PS. there's no such thing as society u dummies

I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:41 (twelve years ago)

lmao @ Don't Shackle The Knowledge-Seekers

Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:52 (twelve years ago)

sounds like a Rush song title

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:54 (twelve years ago)

By-Tor and the Knowledge Seekers

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 November 2013 22:54 (twelve years ago)

for god's sake won't someone please think of the knowledge seekers

I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Friday, 8 November 2013 23:00 (twelve years ago)

Hah before I was forwarded to that Forbes article I had to read a quote from Che Guevara.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 November 2013 04:03 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

i was just sitting in a restaurant with some people i didn't know, and the girl next to me started spouting some shite, and I said 'That sounds like some serious Ayn Rand shite to me' and she said 'OMG SHE'S ONE OF MY HEROES'. Later she said with a beam on her face 'I'm one of Cameron's babes.'

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:31 (twelve years ago)

dinner voyage into abjection

veneer timber (imago), Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:42 (twelve years ago)

Salient thread 4 U, Fizz:

Popular delusions and our duty to dispel them

Branwell Bell, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:44 (twelve years ago)

it wasn't great, imago.

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:46 (twelve years ago)

oh wait, bb (gr8 display name btw) i need to see this thread.

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:47 (twelve years ago)

You are the only person who's got the reference so far. :-/

Branwell Bell, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:50 (twelve years ago)

lol I was just reading this piece on Rand yesterday.

It doesn't mock the whole thing as much as I'd like it to.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:51 (twelve years ago)

You are the only person who's got the reference so far. :-/

he's a really interesting character. not all unsympathetic iirr. (became mildly obsessed when I was abt 20).

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 December 2013 22:48 (twelve years ago)

Half Cornish, you know! Also ginger. Patron saint of talented youths who squandered their vast potential!

Was gonna start a Pick A Bronte: Poll! thread on ILB but, um, apparently this is the ILX Bronte thread:

the Bronte sisters Porn book

Hmmm.

Branwell Bell, Saturday, 14 December 2013 23:08 (twelve years ago)

three weeks pass...

AR and megan mccardle are the two chicks libertarians dig. see, they're not sexist

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 January 2014 21:03 (twelve years ago)

oh and veronique de rugy. tax cuts pay for themselves

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 January 2014 21:04 (twelve years ago)

http://www.arpanetdialogues.net/vol-iv/

Mordy , Friday, 10 January 2014 21:56 (twelve years ago)

I am surprised to be in such a conversation. It feels like a deliberate test.

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 January 2014 21:59 (twelve years ago)

It's not real.

everything, Friday, 10 January 2014 22:04 (twelve years ago)

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2011/04/so-reagan-signs-into-this-chatroom.html

everything, Friday, 10 January 2014 22:07 (twelve years ago)

nothing is real but john galt

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 January 2014 22:12 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

well known, from wikipedia:

Rand underwent surgery for lung cancer in 1974 after decades of heavy smoking.[88] In 1976, she retired from writing her newsletter and, despite her initial objections, was persuaded to allow Evva Pryor, a consultant from her attorney's office, to sign her up for Social Security and Medicare.[89] During the late 1970s her activities within the Objectivist movement declined, especially after the death of her husband on November 9, 1979.[90] One of her final projects was work on a never-completed television adaptation of Atlas Shrugged.[91]

Rand died of heart failure on March 6, 1982, at her home in New York City,[92] and was interred in the Kensico Cemetery, Valhalla, New York.[93] Rand's funeral was attended by some of her prominent followers, including Alan Greenspan. A six-foot floral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign was placed near her casket

question: you would think that she, of all people, would have the motivation to not accept social security or medicare. so she must have been broke? i always just assumed she was rich because she wrote best selling books and traveled widely and hung out with a bunch of rich assholes. did she really whittle away her life savings so much that she had to accept help from the evil altruistic govt?

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 March 2014 22:34 (eleven years ago)

A six-foot floral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign was placed near her casket

gangsta

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 March 2014 23:01 (eleven years ago)

A broke ass person memorialized by a giant dollar sign floral arrangement vs a richass mofo with a giant floral cross in a church, we live in a crazy place

actually high comedy (Hunt3r), Friday, 14 March 2014 23:08 (eleven years ago)

Rand's funeral was attended by some of her prominent followers, including Alan Greenspan

gangsta

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/alan_greenspan_poster.jpg

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 March 2014 23:12 (eleven years ago)

Needs a Sgt. Pepper parody

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 14 March 2014 23:24 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...
two years pass...

http://billmoyers.com/story/media-morality-neighbors-cow/

neal gabler otm

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 16 December 2017 17:40 (eight years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-galton-wanted-libertarian-paradise-in-anarchapulco-he-got-bullets-instead

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 05:20 (six years ago)

would crosspost to bitcoins thread if I could find it

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 05:20 (six years ago)

john galton

adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 05:29 (six years ago)

five months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAq-VzeXoAAsWX-?format=jpg

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 19:19 (six years ago)


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