strangers on a train

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so is robert walker's performance of bruno gay-baiting?

how unbearable is this film? i mean that in a good way, i guess. and how perverted? and to think that was hitchcock's own daughter playing barbara?

i can't believe i had never seen this before; it seems to be the locus classicus for every statement ever made about hitchcock: playing the audience like a fiddle, making the audience party to all kinds of wicked thoughts and deeds, all the little old ladies positively thrilled by the idea of murder, the grotesque mother figure...

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

god to think this is the same robert walker with whom judy garland fell in love in 'the clock' five or six years earlier!

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

what d'you mean by that last sentence, amst?

jim sethna (Cozen), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

which sentence?

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

god to think this is the same robert walker with whom judy garland fell in love in 'the clock' five or six years earlier!

cozen. (Cozen), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

well *that* robert walker was moon-faced and charming and innocent, and *this* robert walker is pockmarked and creepy and full of the most sordid ideas imaginable.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

**SPOILERS**


i mean how many of you *wanted* guy to kill bruno's old man anyway? i mean what a sucker-punch...

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a great, great movie. I love how the 'bad guy' is all personality, charm and flashy clothes, while the 'good guy' is wishy-washy and uninteresting.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ok how many hitchcock's end (annoyingly) on corny jokes anyhow?

the second "man who knew too much" is annoying because the joke is VERBAL (there is only the subsidiary visual gag of the couple's guests having fallen asleep) which is kind of a betrayal of the inexorable visual logic of the film's set piece

"strangers on a train" is likewise annoying because it denies the many themes of the film and reduces them to "be careful in talking to strangers"

the ending of "rear window" is a little better because the gag is visual (grace kelly lets her exploring book fall to reveal, IIRC, a romance novel or some such--maybe it's a woman's magazine?)

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the last shot of "psycho" is almost divorced from the film, but terrifying nonetheless


the last shot of "vertigo" is one of the pinnacles of the cinema, and not a word is spoken

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

most disappointing thing about this film = one expects ann to play a bigger role, but she takes the foreground only to recede again fairly quickly.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

flashy clothes = the most obvious bit of gay-coding, aside from his mannerisms and body language

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Farley Granger is hardly the pinnacle of masulinity, either.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i suppose one can speculate endlessly on this but he certainly he seems to be more...interested in bruno than an ordinary person would be in such circumstances. i wouldn't chalk it up to him being just too nice, either--after all bruno's assessment of him as calculated (dating the senator's daughter, etc.) is later reconfirmed by the announcer at the tennis match.

i mean i don't think this is really one of hitchcock's very best films--the part that does it in for me is the really contrived set-piece during the tennis match, which seems both too obvious and sort of pointless. but more the greater part of its length it had me in its palm.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 December 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

According to my film professor, the version of the movie cut for british audiences made the homosexual undertones a little more obvious. I took this class whilst in the states, and I forget which version of it we were shown...

Jambo, Sunday, 28 December 2003 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder which version i saw. it seemed to be an american print subtitled in french...

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 28 December 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

thinking about this again, the disposal of guy's wife is treated rather too callously, even for hitchcock. no one--except for the senator perhaps-- wastes a second of regret for her life. concern immediately turns to guy's chances of evading the police. obv this is part of the point of the movie, and the general mercenary sense is heightened by, as i noted above, all the little old ladies just thrilled to indulge their fantasies of violence and murder. but it seems to go beyond a cynical assessment of human behavior into something sociopathic....

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 28 December 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

Watched this on DVD over the past couple of days--saw it once before, ages ago. It must have more famous sequences than any other Hitchcock film: the murder, the tennis match, the sewer, the merry-go-round. I was also struck by how it explicitly anticipates the three most highly regarded Hitchcock films to come: Rear Window (when the dog at the top of the stairs licks Farley Granger's hand, it's done in dreamlike slow-motion, like the Kelly-Stewart kiss...bizarre), Vertigo (Hitchcock's daughter a double for Granger's wife), and Psycho (Walker and his mother, big-time). I liked it, and, as I often do, came away thinking Hitchcock is as overrated now as he probably once was underrated.

clemenza, Monday, 11 October 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

eight months pass...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110617/us_yblog_thelookout/woman-says-shes-too-educated-to-be-kicked-off-new-york-train

coffeetripperspillerslyricmakeruppers (Latham Green), Friday, 17 June 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Interesting post by Glenn Kenny, concluding that Hitchcock would be CGIing all over the place:

http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2012/01/big-evil.html

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 16:08 (thirteen years ago)

the scene at the fairground is the best 'action' sequence in a thriller or drama from the pre-70s era i'd say. SO exciting and amazing special effects for the time; has barely dated at all.

piscesx, Monday, 23 January 2012 17:12 (thirteen years ago)

"I think of a couple of directors as "our modern hitchcock", and Jim Cameron is one of them," said a commenter.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 January 2012 17:17 (thirteen years ago)

democracy is a bitch

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 17:19 (thirteen years ago)

one of my fav dave kehr capsules:

Alfred Hitchcock's famous 1951 thriller, centered on a classic Catholic theme—that there is no difference between thinking a sin and committing it. When Guy (Farley Granger) daydreams the murder of his wife, black, neurotic Bruno (Robert Walker) materializes as if in answer to his prayers: Bruno will kill Guy's wife if Guy, in turn, will kill Bruno's father. Some critics (famously Robin Wood) have claimed that the film cops out by relieving Guy of his end of the deal, but something else is going on here, particularly when Bruno's father—elevated, unseen, all-powerful—is clearly more than a father. Perhaps Strangers on a Train still hasn't yielded all its secrets.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 23 January 2012 17:29 (thirteen years ago)

p sure the film couldn't have been made w/ the straight-arrow also committing murder (as he does in Highsmith's book).

the disposal of guy's wife is treated rather too callously, even for hitchcock. no one--except for the senator perhaps-- wastes a second of regret for her life.

Sounds like Washington, DC to me.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 17:44 (thirteen years ago)

And tbf she really was kind of a bitch.

(Joeks!)

Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Monday, 23 January 2012 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

TS: imaginary 'strangers on a train' where both guys are murderers vs. imaginary 'suspicion' in which cary grant murders his wife

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:49 (thirteen years ago)

"I think of a couple of directors as "our modern hitchcock", and Jim Cameron is one of them," said a commenter.

http://pics.livejournal.com/comalies13/pic/000rdche

Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:11 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

this should be called psycho

one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 25 August 2013 01:04 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

This should have been called Homo-Suspicion.

MaudAddam (cryptosicko), Monday, 17 November 2014 04:31 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

remake/"reimaging" to come from the Gone Girl triad

http://deadline.com/2015/01/ben-affleck-david-fincher-gillian-flynn-strangers-on-a-train-remake-warner-bros-gone-girl-1201348983/

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 20:45 (ten years ago)

"reimagining" i mean

at least one hopes they'll not cop out on using Highsmith's plotting that was unacceptable in 1951 Hollywood.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 20:47 (ten years ago)

eight years pass...

A very good film, I know. And Robert Walker staring straight ahead during the tennis match is unforgettable. But I was flipping around tonight and noticed that sometimes the crowd is a blown-up photo. Really, would it have been too much trouble to send out a second unit to shoot a couple of minutes of an actual crowd and reuse that whenever needed?

clemenza, Sunday, 31 December 2023 04:26 (one year ago)


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