do i need a passport to travel between the uk and eire?

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help!!! thanks!!!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

United Kingdom and Empire of Imperial Regency Empire?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry.
I have no clue, but I think no.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

u don't have 1?11!111

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"United Kingdom passport holders do not require their passport to visit Ireland for immigration purposes. However, some airlines require photo ID for travel between the UK and Ireland (and between some UK airports). Check with your airline when booking your ticket what is required. It is a good idea to take your passport anyway, just in case."

fco travel advice

the ukpa has an interesting few pages on the history of passports

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Pash, I'm really sorry, I have done this trip, but I cannot remember for the life of me. Ask Andrew Farrell.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't got a passport.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

YES. Bring your passport dude.

Otherwise you might end up spending 170 euros extra to get to Glastonbury a day and a half late. What kind of idiot would do that though. You MAY not need it but airlines have to make money somehow, cheap airlines especially.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

my passport expired tracer!@#

Thx ed, I will check w/the airline.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

driving license works as phot id for airlines, if you have one of those.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

arg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean yay, pash drives lots!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I have an old driver's license. I want a new one.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

ha, my drivers licence is the old sort, w/o photo.
(ha = arg in this instance, obv)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

orange alert - yes you do!

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember crossing the ferry, and desperately trying to smoke all the weed because we were leaving the UK and going back to "Europe" and we were positive the Irish would anally probe us... instead, as we pulled the van off the docks, there was a kindly old man straight out of an Irish Spring commercial waving us through.

I was sort of looking forward to the probing.

― andy, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

sort of?

actually maybe i overreacted Nick but as far as i know you need a passport to go pretty much anywhere right now.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry not Nick, Pashmina... d'oh!

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew you meant Pash - I have never expressed any desire to travel beyond my living room.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"Are you pissing out the window again Nick?"

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Pashmina, if I were you I would get a passport, because although you might theoretically not need one if you are a UK national coming to Ireland, in practice you could well be asked for some kind of photo-id, and I doubt the Guards on immigration duty are too keen on British drivers' licenses.

If you look in any way "foreign" I strongly recommend carrying a UK or EU passport.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

by the way, many Irish people are offended by the term "Eire". I'm not saying I condone this, but it is a fact.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

by the way, many Irish people are offended by the term "Eire". I'm not saying I condone this, but it is a fact.

One lives and learns. Thank you DV, I'll use the term 'republic of ireland' in future.

I'm off to the post office this dinnertime for a passport application form. Eh, 'be prepared' haha.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 January 2004 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

by the way, many Irish people are offended by the term "Eire"

I never knew this. Why?

― MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 8 January 2004 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I also never knew this.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 8 January 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

many Irish people = DV and his mates.

― MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 8 January 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It rhymes with liar liar pants on fire.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 8 January 2004 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

(cries)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 8 January 2004 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

More word-taboos, just what we need.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

1st I've heard of it too

― Michael B, Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Sassenach.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

pash, when do you leave?

last year i was supposed to go to spain with an english guy who couldn't find his new passport. he had his old one, and tried to get a new one quickly but it takes ages these days apparently. we ran around (to various embassies and stuff) and finally just decided to show up at the airport with his old passport, and if it didn't work i'd go alone.

and the lady said 'oh, did you know your passport is expired? you should get one soon. have a nice flight'

so might be worth checking if an expired passport is a valid form of ID, since it might take too long to get a new one.

― colette (a2lette), Thursday, 8 January 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

EXPIRED PASSPORTS ARE NO LONGER GOOD ENOUGH, in fact i'm surprised you got away with it last year collette. a friend of mine, on a glasgow - london flight got turned down must have been two years ago at least...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Specific advice: RyanAir won't take expired passports and will happily burn your money and laugh at you. On the plus side they're always fairly straightforward about their terms and conditions.

Steve: Glasgow to London required passports? wow. Er, but two years ago would be early 2002 - they might have been a bit more on edge?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

More word taboos are what we need, it's true.

Many English people do not like the words 'Republic of Ireland'.

I do not condone this, and am not saying that I do.

I like the bit where YMOF declares his ignorance of what 'many irish people' think.

I think you do not need a passport to make this journey.

But the Vicar is doubtless right in his counsels of caution.

― the finefox, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

it might have been ryan air actually andrew.

where is 96, he will know (it wasn't him, it was ms lander, if i remember correctly, but he was there).

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

What's wrong with simply "Ireland".

I think DV should have said that NO Irish people call Ireland "Eire". But I do, like DV, know some people who find the term "Eire" annoying, if not offensive. Possibly because they see it as the name for people who don't know we call our country "Ireland". Ireland is full of people who get tetchy about things English people do or don't do all the time.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

what Ronan said. I didn't say I found "Eire" offensive. I find people being offended by "Eire" somewhat baffling, given the first line in our constitution (after the preamble, which is the best bit).

but yeah, I don't see what's wrong with Ireland. I think English people use "Eire" when referring to the bit of Ireland that is not part of the UK, although I'm not sure their thinking is necessarily that developed (I recall a Londoner asking me once whether Dublin was the capital of Northern or Southern Ireland).

having said all that - the Eire thing is something people get offended about in the abstract. they probably won't throw you in the Liffey for saying you are enjoying your trip to Eire.

just regarding the passport thing - you will have to show ID to get on the plane, but you may also have to show ID to some official at the airport to get into the country.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

but yeah, I don't see what's wrong with Ireland.

Because it means different things in physical and political geography? Always best to avoid potential confusion.

(I say we call it the Irish Free State, and pretend we're all time travellers from the 1930s.)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 9 January 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The Emerald Isle?

The Isle of Erin?

other suggestions, pls.

― MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 9 January 2004 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought 'Erin' was also used for the Isle of Man. Or is that just some bizarre misapprehension of mine?

(I know the Manx name for the Isle of Man: it's 'Ellan Vannin'.)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 9 January 2004 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Eire also means the whole island, albeit in a language other than English.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 9 January 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I was using "Eire" to refer to the bit that isn't part of the uk. I'm not claiming my thinking is particularly developed though...

I don't think I'm going to make this trip. I'll have to email the others w/the bad news, gah.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Isle of Erin is indeed a moniker for the isle of man. Port Erin is in the south of the island and a former capital.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

its fairly trivial,but ireland is not called the republic of ireland,the country is called "ireland",and it is a republic...

ireland is no more called the republic of ireland than france the republic of france...

doesn't really bother me but there are people who have a problem with it...

― robin (robin), Friday, 9 January 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I am amused by the way Robin, Ronan, and I are all doing the "It doesn't annoy me, but..." thing.

Pashmina, you could always fly to Belfast and take the train to Dublin. they never check passports on the train.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

We are all lily livered "west brits" etc etc etc

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Archaeologists, incidentally, seem to have fun coming up with replacement terms for "the British Isles", to make it clear that they mean Ireland as well as the UK. "The North Atlantic Archipelago" is the only one I can remember off the top of my head.

― caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Faroe Islands to thread!

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 10 January 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Or rather The Free People's Republic of Faroe, Bitch

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 10 January 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm calling it Potatoland from now on, this will offend nobody. Dublin is now 'Liffey Development Shores.'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 January 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

http://home.t-online.de/home/b.kunze/sppotdmz.jpg

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 10 January 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that this record exists leaves me in stumbling awe.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 January 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

It's randy california and ed cassidy from spirit. The legend is that it was their masterwork (better than dr sardonicus even? pah!) but when they recorded it they fucked up in some way, and had to re-record it, and the second take was inferior, or possibly they recorded it on a misaligned tape deck, and the levels were so low that they had to wait several years until technology existed to salvage the tapes, or something. Spirit's equivalent of "Imaginos" I suppose. IIRC it's actually not bad, but a way behind their first 4 albums. Certainly a testament to the dangers of hitting the bong in the studio haha.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 10 January 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm curious as to how the people who object to the name Eire react to the fact that it's on all the money.

Robin, can you seriously not think of any reasons why people would call it the Republic of Ireland?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 January 2004 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, Andrew, maybe its to differentiate it from the bit of Ireland that isn't a republic? Just skybluin' here.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

When I am referring specifically to the bit that doesn't include Northern Ireland, I say 'Ireland'. Unless I am talking to a republican person from the six counties in the North, who I think might be pissed off at the implication that where they live isn't also Ireland, in which case I might say 'the south', unless the context doesn't make it clear that I'm not talking about southern England or southern US, in which case I might say 'southern Ireland' but make it clear that I am using 'southern' with a small s, by doing a little jig.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I was playing pool recently and we got talking to a girl. She sounded like she was from Belfast, or at least somewhere in the north. I wanted to check whether I was right so I asked her if she was from Northern Ireland. She said "I'm Irish" in a kind of pointed way. At this point I thought OK, I'm pretty sure she's a republican who's making a point about not accepting the whole division of Ireland thing, but I thought it's just possible that she's from the south and think's "I'm Irish" is enough to clarify that. I tried to make it clear that I wasn't forcing names on her, but just wanted to establish more precisely where she was from. I didn't want to say "Are you from Belfast?", in case she was from Derry/Londonderry or somewhere and she got pissed off by everyone assuming that everyone came from Belfast. Anyway, she was from Belfast after all.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Those northerners are right grumpy cockfarmers.

Nice accents, though.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

my god, what did I start here? ;)

I'm not going to make it this time, bah.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

on a related note to that whole Eire-Ireland thing, do Scottish people get offended by the way foreign people refer to all of Britain as "England"?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I do. But I'm not all Scottish people.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

do Scottish people get offended by the way foreign people refer to all of Britain as "England"?

Probably not as offended as when English people do it.

(I live in Scotland but I'm English, so I can't really offer an opinion)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 16 January 2004 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

English people who live in Scotland are proof that Scotland = England.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 January 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

But we've got our own parliament and everything!

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 16 January 2004 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

ANd you're MP's sit in the English Parliment too Scotland = England.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't be sure, but I think that even if I were Scottish I'd actually find the whole thing a bit 'use other bugbears please'. A bit like the 'it's football not soccer' winge.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

most bugbears make me think 'use other bugbears please'. the whole idea of having heard them a few times already kind of ruins them. also I suspect people pass on bugbears they think sound good.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Bugbears vs Chimeras

― the pinefox, Saturday, 17 January 2004 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that directed at me? Fair cop I suppose.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 17 January 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

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