Rastafarianism

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Is this a made-up religion, or what? A mish-mash pulled out of thin air in the 50's or so. Aside from pounding the Italians and attending JFK's funeral, Haile Selassie never did anything good for anybody. And how many Caribbeans actually followed through and repatriated to Ethiopia?

And WHITE Rastas (plenty in Northern California) - don't even get me started.

andy, Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

oops to thread!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

where's nabisco?!? or cybele?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this a made-up religion

as compared to...? oh you mean all those other religions that were handed down to man by God himself. Like Scientology. Haile Selassie personally might've not 'done any good for anybody' (I really don't know much of anything about him as a person), but by merely existing he gave many black people a sense of pride and hope.
I think it's a bunch of bollocks, just like any other religion. But, just like (almost) any other religion, its message is a good one, and if more people were Rasta through-and-through the world would almost have to be a better place to live.

but yeah, cybele to thread.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and plus it means you can get high all the time without anyone giving a shit.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Reinforcin' O' The Stereotypes

kephm, Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Worshipping a fucking theocratic dictator monarch as jesus christ reincarnate, dud.

sucka (sucka), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

as compared to...? oh you mean all those other religions that were handed down to man by God himself. Like Scientology. Haile Selassie personally might've not 'done any good for anybody' (I really don't know much of anything about him as a person), but by merely existing he gave many black people a sense of pride and hope.
I think it's a bunch of bollocks, just like any other religion. But, just like (almost) any other religion, its message is a good one, and if more people were Rasta through-and-through the world would almost have to be a better place to live.

:-O !!!

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 9 January 2004 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

they just like the dope ... and the kill-whitey-and-the-homos rhetoric.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 9 January 2004 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/685000/images/_685163_charles150.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 January 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

They bring back the Old Testament. Let's face it, the New Testament is complete bollocks and a very stodgy read. That Paul character - what a nob, can't bowl, can't throw.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 9 January 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"John The Baptist- can't sing, can't act, balding, can dance a little"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 January 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, maybe I shouldn't feed the troll here, but I've been somewhat busy the past few weeks editing a book about the empowerment of the urban poor in Jamaica, so Rastafarianism has been on my mind quite a bit. First, a quick definition: Rastafari is a fundamentalist Christian religion that holds Haile Salassie as the messiah (His Imperial Majesty HAile Selassie I the First King of Kings Lord of Lords Conqureing Lion of the Tribe of Judah JAH RASTAFARI--you try saying that 5 times fast) and sees the African diaspora as members of the lost tribes of Israel. Ethiopia is Zion, Israel, etc. And the Rastafar see the oppressive forces of the world as Babylon--I'm likely to agree with many Rasta comments re: Bush, the Pope, capitalism, the World Bank, the IMF, etc.

Marcus Garvey said, before he left Jamaica to go to New Yrok and continue his quest to uplift the black race, "Look to Africa for the crowning of a black king, he shall be the Redeemer". Hence, when Selassie was crowned King in Ethiopia, this prophecy, along with scriptural reference, caused some people to believe in him (or H.I.M., to Rastas) as the son of God.

Sure, you can debate all you want about Selassie's character--yeah, he reinforced the feudal system and, in doing so, oppressed his own people. Ethiopians primarily consider him a despot. Also, when he came to Jamaica he was overwhelemed with the response that he received and reportedly tried to deny his "godly" status. Thing is, what Rastafarianism did is that it allowed the people of Jamaica (and the West Indies in general) to see god in their own image. If man is created in the image of God, why is he always white? Rastafarianism allowed people in a 98% black country to actually start thinking about God in their own terms. We're talking the impact of colonialism here andy....look it up.

Marcus Garvey, in addition to prophecising about some king in Africa, also felt strongly about the need to connect black people to Africa--his Black Star Line shipping company, his newspaper, the United Negro Improvement Association: all were part of his program to encourage those of African descent to feel pride in themselves.
Now, are there problems with the religion? Yeah, of course. I;m no so fond of the homophobia, nay, intense desire to rid the world of homosexuals by FYAH, nor am I particularly fond of only being referred to as "Empress" by Rastas and being put on a pedestal. I think their literal interpretaion of the bible is problematic, but I think that about Pentecostals and other fundamentalist Christians as well.

What's amazing about Rastafari--and this is getting back to the editing that I was doing--is that the Rasta emphasis on "reasoning" (the act of discussing scripture, world events, and spirituality that is a major part of Rasta practice) is a tremendously valuable force in Jamaica. Check this out (from Obika Gray)

Suggestions for renewal drawn from this lived experience are too many to list here, but they include the Rastafarian notion of “social living” and that group’s communitarian, democratic idea of “reasoning” and “grounding” as means of solving problems. What this implies, is not modernity’s fearful notion of a mystical and atavistic return to barbarism involving the smoking of marijuana around a backwoods fire, but rather the organization of democratic problem-solving at the community level.

Embedded in the notion of “grounding”, therefore, is the wholly unremarkable idea of community self-organization and democratic discussion. In practice, this might mean nothing more threatening than the creation of community-based councils that act as deliberative bodies and forums for resolving problems. (Gray 2003)

This is what is valuable and remarkable about Rastafari. It wouldn't be a bad idea to take these ideas and apply it to different societies...maybe that's what the white rastas you decry are attracted to the Rasta belief system. I do, however, think that based on the fundamentalism of Rastafari, it would be valuable to so-called progressive thinkers in liberal bastions like Vermont and California to ask themselves whether or not they can truly believe in the tenets of Rastafari...I doubt they can. Let's face it, lotsa folks like reggae, like being cool, loke having an identity, and therefore, lotas folks--of a range of ethnicities--take on the identity of "Rasta" in order to give them some sense of belonging. But yeah, they annoy the fuck outta me too.

Okay, whoops. That was way long. Sorry!

One more thing--many people dod repatriate to Ethiopia. In fact, Shashamene, 250 km south of Addis Ababba, is home to the largest concentration of West Indians in Africa. There, 200 Rasta families live and are working to continue the teachings on land bequethed to them by Selassie. There were more Rastas a few decades ago (the first in 1963), but the Marxist revolution in Ethiopia took most of the land away.

cybele (cybele), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

white rastas are in it for the pot, pure and simply.

thanks for the post, cybele!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright, I been educated - and, as usual, I was playing more the devil's advocate than anything (except for my problems with Selassie worship - I've always sided with the Eritreans on this one.)

One point of contention: "If man is created in the image of God, why is he always white? "

The success of Islam has been it's inclusion of all races, and that is why there is an unbroken band of Muslims from Morocco to the Phillipines, and through much of Africa up to the Balkans.

And the people of Ethiopia are largely Christians, not lion of zion worshiping, weed-smoking barbarians. They've largely forgotten about Haile Selassie, and moved on.

andy, Friday, 9 January 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

barbarians??? wtf dipshit did you even read her post?

oops (Oops), Friday, 9 January 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

What does Islam have to do with the discussion...was that just a comment? Think colonialism....they spread CHRISTIANITY to the West Indies. The HUGE MAJORITY of Jamaicans are Christian (they have the largest number of churches per capita of anywhere in the world) because of JA's colonial past. The colonizers were British--in case you didn't know. Then again, I don't think you do, given the use of the world "barbarian". Why am I dignifying this comment again? Oh yeah, I'm an idiot.

cybele (cybele), Friday, 9 January 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

can we connect the african american communal religous spirit to rasta (i am thinking of martin luther king/jesse jackson/al sharpton/black churches pentecostalism) They seem to have the senses of grounding and reasoning that cybele speaks of, and also the tendency to make christ a black man (something i heavily encourage, i have a poster above my desk from some anarchist punx in denmark that claims christ was a gay man, the body of christ requires a multipilcity of discourses)

wasnt garvey xian
that lost tribes of israel thing, lots of whacked out americans belive it as well, and the lds on top of that--how do they connect ?

(sorry for spelling)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 10 January 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

and now that i think of it, the burned over regions of the states often gave birth to explicitly communal religions (SDA, LDS again, JW, Onieda, Shakers)

im sorry if im reaching

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 10 January 2004 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just wondering if Linton Kwesi Johnson stole Andy's girlfriend or something

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 10 January 2004 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know about "lost tribes of Israel" in North/South America, but there are descendants of old Israeli tribes living in Africa-- news story from today:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040108/wl_nm/israel_ethiopia_dc_5

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 10 January 2004 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't colin right? its old testament not fundamentalist Christian . i mean jah = jahovah, no?

mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

not just old testament...

cybele (cybele), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)


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