Madonna's Endorses a Presidential Candidate

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well, we know who Allyzay will vote for now in the New York primary.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i always knew madonna liked men in uniforms!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't she like live in England now? I swear to god, everyone born in that year is completely hatter mad, Madonna, Prince, Michael Jackson, my boss, my mom.

Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, she's a democrat? Anyhow, Clark is SO vice-presidential. And I'm not sure having a trampy single-mother catholic jewish-mystic is really going to help him out in Iowa.

andy, Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe she also likes mayor bloomberg, yo!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Trampy crazy loudmouthed ex-catholics all love uniforms, that is a dead fact.

xpost no one in the entire world likes Michael Bloomberg, that is also a dead fact. I don't think even Bloomberg likes himself.

Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Clark has the best chance of beating Bush and Madonna knows all about that.

{sorry...}

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

she can vote? I thought she was a subject of the queen..

I can't see this helping really. only will feed the repub meme of lefty elitism -'democrats are elitist hollywood types and this slut's endorsement is proof positive'

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't dislike Bloomberg

Clark has the best chance of beating Bush

Wrong

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

well, here we gooooo....

Kingfishee (Kingfish), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

But do you like Bloomberg, gabbneb?

Allyzay, Friday, 9 January 2004 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

there are things about him I like

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

andy OTM. Clark is Vice-Presidential material, not Presidential. Beat Bush? No way. Guy's got a deficiency of charisma if you ask me. And Bush won on '00 running on nothing but.

B61 (calstars), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i might've voted for him had i lived in NYC in election 2001 ... but i was cussing him out mightily saturday night, for having to go outside to have a smoke.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

bloomberg, that is ... clark didn't run for anything in 2001 AFAIK

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

haha gabbneb, you old master of avoiding the question, you.

Allyzay, Friday, 9 January 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

...

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 January 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he has nice hands, FWIW.

Allyzay, Friday, 9 January 2004 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Hopefully Streisand won't have a different opinion on this, or I'll never know what to do! And think how confusing it will be if Alec Baldwin speaks out at this point. Oh shit, I just remembered Michael Moore and Robert Altman haven't weighed in. Now I'm totally confused how to vote!

Isn't there some website where I can go to and find out the Celebrity Endorsement roll call? Or can I just wait for the Oscars to see the winners make brilliant endorsements like Michael Moore did last year?

don weiner, Friday, 9 January 2004 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's see if we can get bin Laden to endorse Bush!

Liberal Media (Leee), Friday, 9 January 2004 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

er. the family? they already do.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 9 January 2004 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

What we really need right now is - Colette to thread! To explain to us poor Brits (who are intrigued and sometimes confused by the system of primaries anyway) to explain to us the differences in policy between Clark and Dean and what their relative merits are as candidates.

ILX has actually made an important and crucial difference to how we Brits are informed about the US presidential elections, in that I (and many others no doubt) have previously been largely unaware of the existence of the US presidential candidates until the TV news decides to run a report about them and even then the report is often too short for us to ascertain what the various candidates actually stand for.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 9 January 2004 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark virtually every broadsheet has run extensive articles on Howard Dean.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not going to pretend to be an expert on this at all. but i'm spending loads of time with people that know more than me, and i've been picking up bits and pieces.

i originally heard about dean when michael moore came to london with 'bowling for columbine'. he wasn't endorsing, but just mentioned his name. i started keeping track and like a lot of people, jumped on the dean side when he was the only viable democrat to be clearly and firmly anti war.

i got so involved because that's the way the campaign is designed, and i love it. anyone that is interested can get as involved as they want, something i feel is new and different about this campaign.

i think clark has a lot of good policy. most of the dems (except joe) aren't unpalatable to me. but most of them supported bush over the war, which i find pretty unforgivable.

my personal opinion on clark, which is based more on gut reaction than anything else, is that he's had the benefit of jumping in late and riding on successful coattails. He was able to see that dean got loads of public support because of being anti war, and is now the other anti war candidate. (which I find confusing, since he is addressed as ‘general’, but maybe that’s just me). He saw that dean was harnessing grassroots enthusiasm, and is trying to build a campaign on the same lines, although with backing from mainstream dems and the DLC.

what I didn’t know till this week was the extent that clark is wrapped up in corporate interests. i’ll try to find the website, but there was apparently a big article that talked about one of the main differences between dean and clark being their general policies on taking corporate money. i like the fact that dean is just taking little amounts of money from loads of americans, i think it’s fantastic that it can work like that, and that he isn’t bought and paid for by oil/alcohol/tobacco etc.

apologies for the mini-soapbox.

if you’re interested in a fun version of this, slate has a silly little game to help you pick your candidate at:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2090855/

or the guardian had a few articles that were brief summaries of all the major points. one is at http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1090963,00.html

colette (a2lette), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

and on the madonna endorsement, i'm not sure what to think. i love love madonna, but wasn't convinced by her little essay. and i watched her on oprah when i was back home and she's kinda creepy these days, so i'm not that bummed about the endorsement.

we have joan jett, anyway. woo.

colette (a2lette), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

My DC Power Couple friends have gone to work volunteering for Clark while Mr Power Couple does his law degree at Yale; they had White House jobs under Clinton so I'm piqued as to their interest in him over Dean.

My initial thought was that Madonna these days looks like one of those man-starved bulimic gallerists you see at art openings, I think nobody cares enough about her politics for an endorsement to matter, and only serves to make her look self-important having spent her clout for that stuff a long time ago on bullshit, so meh.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 January 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Her whole endorsement had an air of desperation about it. It's like, she didn't give any concrete reasons and so we can only conclude that she feels she must endorse Clark before the Dems pick an 'unelectable' candidate, i.e. Dean. That's the only conclusion I can draw. Which makes her seem very self-important, as you say, because the whole thing has an undertone of 'I've never spoken out before but we're in a dire situation and it is up to me to do something NOW'.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 9 January 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooops - I hit enter before I finished typing. Anyway, a lot of people right now are saying, 'if x doesn't get the nomination, it's all over'. Great, that's just what the Democrats need - four more years of finger-pointing because the 'wrong' candidate got the nod. What a great way to get rid of Bush. So what's Madonna gonna do if her candidate doesn't make it?

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 9 January 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Hang herself with one of those pikey Kabbalah strings, I hope...

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Not only as a "celebrity" but as an American citizen and as a
mother. I want my children to grow up with the same opportunities
that I had - to know and understand what's going on in the world
and to travel that world safely and with pride...

and to take pictures of themselves getting fucked by Vanilla Ice.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

erotic, erotic, put your hands all over my body politic.

Marilyn Manson should come out and endorse Bush again.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I presume that this is how Clark sold Mrs. Ritchiccione.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ross, who runs the New Jersey-based Ross Institute
hell-O!

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Hopefully Streisand won't have a different opinion on this, or I'll never know what to do! And think how confusing it will be if Alec Baldwin speaks out at this point. Oh shit, I just remembered Michael Moore and Robert Altman haven't weighed in. Now I'm totally confused how to vote!

Well gosh, Don, we can't form our opinions until George Clooney, Sheryl Crow and Chris Kirkpatrick lay their cards down! Don't you know anything about Democrats?!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really funny but does ANYONE want to be linked with madonna these days? she turns his/her career to SHIT just by her mere presence. maybe she should RAP in some ads, that'd be a surer win for the opposition!

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Politics is the new rehab.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Madonna is that snotty girl who never does her own homework. Why should she, when she can copy yours and get an A?

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, Suzy OTM.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(Friend who is now famoose herself lost her virginity to Guy Ritchie when she was 15. I have this fantasy of her going up to Mad One and saying 'at least I was too young to know what I was doing, so what's your excuse?')

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

all Madonna-ness aside, at least Clark doesn't have a self-damning big mouth like Dean does (despite how much i like either candidate)

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe, at the Demo Convention, Clark and Dean can open mouth kiss!

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Dean's "big mouth" gets ten times as much free media coverage as anyone else and wakes people up to the fact that there's an election going on and some things that are fundamentally wrong with our President. He may well be saying a lot of this stuff on purpose. He has ten months to deal with any aftermath.

(Clark is unlikely to be Dean's running mate. I tend to doubt Clark would ask Dean, though I think he'd take it if asked.)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's got to be a double bluff...surely she knows what her support must mean, and is only doing it to knock Clark out of the running in favor of Dean?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Well gosh, Don, we can't form our opinions until George Clooney, Sheryl Crow and Chris Kirkpatrick lay their cards down! Don't you knowanything about Democrats?!

If you don't count Don Henley, John Cusack, Radiohead, Coldplay, Patti Smith, Chrissie Hynde, Ted Danson and Ryan Adams as part of the advisory panel then I truly am out of step.

If Madonna wasn't so desperate to get her career back she wouldn't make such a big target.

don weiner, Friday, 9 January 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I like seeing Ted Danson's name beside Ryan Adams.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry - I don't mean to harp on Clark, but ...

From today's NY Times: Seeking Women's Votes

Gen. Wesley K. Clark has replaced his navy blue suit with an argyle sweater in an attempt to increase his support among women.

Argyle sweater? Isn't he pretty enough?

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Dean's "big mouth" gets ten times as much free media coverage as anyone else and wakes people up to the fact that there's an election going on and some things that are fundamentally wrong with our President.

And sadly makes a floating boxing-practice bean sack out of himself..

Shit, who knows, maybe having folks like Dean polarize the Dems and Repubs even further will help the Dems, for all I know.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Howie ain't hurtin' with Harkin

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 January 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Schwartzenegger much, Don?

sym (shmuel), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

If Arnold or Bruce Willis or Moses (uh, did I miss anyone) have the urge to tell me how to vote, fuck them too. What's your point, sym?

don weiner, Saturday, 10 January 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Just that while unqualified liberal actors shoot off their moths about politics, unqualified conservative actors actually become politicians. The latter is much worse, IMO.

sym (shmuel), Sunday, 11 January 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

There's an even snarkier sweater story about Clark over on Slate. It's pretty bad. I hate to say it but the guy gives me the creeps, except when I think he's funny.

There's a short interview with Dean in this week's US News - the beginning is priceless:

Do you regret saying you needed to plug a foreign policy hole in your resume with your running mate?

No.

But George Bush never said he had to fill a foreign policy hole.

Well, he should have; it was really the truth. And he didn't plug it, either.

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 11 January 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Stop the presses! Kirsten Dunst has thrown a wrench in the illustrious Madge-Moore-Clark axis! What is a liberal to do?!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)


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