relationships and the menstrual cycle.

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hello, i am a regular poster here, who is in a long-term m/f relationship. i am the male half, as will be obvious. i am finding it increasingly difficult to deal with my s/o's pmt, and the more unpleasant side-effects of her menstrual cycle. it causes her to act in an obnoxiously passive/aggressive manner, to act hyper-defensively, to act in a confrontationally contrary way (for example, she went for a haircut, and asked me if i liked her hair shorter or longer, i said longer, because i think she looks better with long hair. when i got back from work she had something close to a crew cut. that sort of thing. she asks me what i want, and then flamboyantly does the opposite. if i tell her we'd like to eg go out one day, she'll arrange stuff so it's impossible for us to do that) when her period comes on, it is debilitating, because she gets terrible cramps, and she wants and expects me to look after her. as her pmt gets worse, i find myself getting resentful of this, by which i mean, i'm still pissed off with her because of the way she behaves towards me, and i am expected to suddenly turn this into sympathy overnight. i try very hard, but i find it difficult. pmt time is 10 days to 2 weeks per month. when the pmt starts, it is like a switch has been thrown, so sudden and severe is the personality change she undergoes. i don't know what to do. i love this person, but this is making me really really unhappy, and it's getting a little worse every month. i'm sitting here typing this, and what i want to do is walk over to the wall and bang my head against it until i fall unconcious.

who has any strategy or advice to offer? i would appreciate it very much. i want to stay in this relationship very much.

loggedout, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(i should point out that i don't actually mind how she cuts her hair. it's just an example of the thing where she'll ask my opinion on something, and use it as something to do the opposite of)

loggedout, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a similar (albeit less intense) cycle with my ex, whereby she'd get incredibly emotional and negative, ask all sorts of 'should we end it' questions, treat me like shit, and then, three days later, say "oh god I was horrible wasn't I? PMT again! why do I never see it coming?". So you have my sympathies, if not my advice.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Tell her to see a doctor about it. There's help to get.

Hanna (Hanna), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Get her pregnant. You'll be good for nine months.

haha. "good"

Dale the Titled (cprek), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

tell her everything that you wrote above (on a safe night)
spend less time together
exercise, cann*bis, and birth control can have positive effects


kephm, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

kephm's totally on the money about the first two (possibly the latter, but I wouldn't know.) Also vitamin b6 and evening primrose oil can help. Calcium and canabis (again) are good for cramps.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

it's true that some people like to use their cramps as a get-out-of-gym-free card to be as irritating and difficult as possible, then after it's over they just chuckle innocently and say "oh ho ho, dear me, i was on my period."

my solution is to stay far far away when that time rolls around.

america's first municipal lunatic asylum (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Cramps just make me want to isolate myself under the duvet. Apparently they're worse if you smoke. Something to do with clogging veins and arteries (nice!).

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Cramps just make me want to isolate myself under the duvet.

me too

america's first municipal lunatic asylum (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And then they all cramp up!

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

For a little while back when we were together, my baby's momma would send me away when she got her period. She was like "all you're doing here is pissing me off...just go somewhere".

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

god i love the phrase "my baby's momma"

america's first municipal lunatic asylum (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Arrgghhkkehhgg, please say 'period'! Menstrual cycle sounds oddly clinical... and, well, cyclical. Period has a finality about it, like it will NEVER happen again.

andy, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Does she realize the extent of the effects her PMT has on her interactions with you? Does she keep a calendar so that she can tell when this is coming on?

You do need to have some sort of talk (when she's not dealing with cycle issues). If you're getting increasingly resentful, she'll sense this and possibly be increasingly insecure or bitchy or whatever. I would think it would be totally understandable to want to keep to yourself more when she's going through the emotional stuff. I know when I'm going through PMS I avoid people (or put on an act) because a)I don't want to embarrass myself and b)I don't want to subject others to my crazy hormonally-induced moodiness.

You don't want one time of the month to cause tension that can carry over to the rest of the time...

JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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minstrel cycle (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

sounds like this isn't a menstral problem at all. sounds like she doesn't have well-developed coping or communication skills. the menstral thing is a scapegoat, not the reason.

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

also... the sentence "it causes her to act in a passive/aggressive manner" . . . "it" doesn't drive you to do anything. it's her, not the menstrating. i know 'cuz i'm a girl who bleeds & also suffers from problems during that time. if she sincerely believes it's the menstration and not her at all, then she needs to take measures to better her cycle. exercise & diet being main components of how crampy a woman is. there are also natural alternatives that help regulate the cycle & diminish cramping . . .things like evening primrose oil & even flax seed oil. but, that's all a call for a pro to make & i'm not that person. those are just things i was on & had success with.

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

sounds like this isn't a menstral problem at all. sounds like she doesn't have well-developed coping or communication skills. the menstral thing is a scapegoat, not the reason.

Have you ever dated a woman?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

well, i am one, if that helps. just the way he talks about her and "it" paints a completely miserable picture.
. . . and i understand my own monthly hormonal changes, but 10 days to 2 weeks out of the month sounds like an abnormally long time. so i think it's either her, or she really has a serious problem with her cycle & should get it checked out.

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

cannabis makes my period pain worse, so you might not want to try that. and i don't believe for a second that if you have a healthy diet and enough exercise that you won't get period pain, sorry thats NOT how it works.

i am worried about your gf's hormones more than anything, i reckon she should see a doctor. as kel said, 10 days to 2 weeks of PMT is a REALLY long time.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It could be that she has a really serious problem with her cycle.

This is the first month for me in a long time when my PMS didn't include a severely depressed, suicidal day. I'd just be sobbing and imagining ways to off myself and feeling totally out of control emotionally. And then I'd see my calendar and realize that I just had to hang in there for the day. Without fail, I'd feel like myself the next day, and start my period. I've been getting acupuncture lately and that whole freaked-out-suicidal-day thing is gone, which I'm very very glad of. My point--hormones do some really fucking powerful things to your neurotransmitters.

It's not necessarily a scapegoat, but there could certainly be better ways of handling this whole thing.

JA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm. what's that Lydia Lunch quote again?

Kingfishee (Kingfish), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Just dump her.

C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with SeMen.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn straight.

C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

10 days plus is an exceptionally long time to suffer from PMT, so I'd endorse the advice that she should see a doctor - even if it was a normal time, there is help available here and there for the bad effects. Worth a try - I assume you are pretty attached, as that kind of behaviour in a weak relationship would surely destroy it quickly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Gang of Four - "Damaged Goods"

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

advice from a married man: just get used to it.

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

>10 days plus is an exceptionally long time to suffer from PMT, so I'd endorse the advice that she should see a doctor

yes, 10-14 days regularly is the sort of thing you should see a doctor about. at the very least, there are ways to treat it. in some cases, it can be serious: endometriosis is nothing you want to leave untreated.

also, prompting her to see a doctor is also a way to push the relationship forward beyond isolated incidents of squabbling; it's because you're concerned; if she's simply comfortable scapegoating her moodiness on PMS, you'll probably be able to tell. being told to go see a doctor can be terrifying, so be sympathetic to that, though.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just being senselessly misogynistic, Kelsey.

But I'm with JaXon on this: you will eventually learn to live with this, or she will eventually get better, or you'll eventually break up. But I don't know that there's anything much you can do about it, unfortunately.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

My one breaks up with me once a month. During this phase she will call me cold, evil, repressed and heartless. I just tell her she's got pms, which makes her even angrier. A few days later it's all forgotten. Until the next time, haha. I think one of her ovaries is scraier than the other - every second pms is a nightmare of psychopathic proportions. I call this ovary The Evil Egg.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

This is an awful situation. I wonder does your g/f ever apologise for any outbursts she might have? As stated above, consulting a doctor is definitely the way to go.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

OK out of curiousity do you know what type of birth control she's on, if she is? Cos she might want to see her doctor. I've never, ever had particularly bad PMS in my ENTIRE LIFE, but I just went through some of the absolute worst PMS behavior ever (crying jags, nightmares, moodiness to downright uncontrollable coldness, a lot of pain) and the only thing that has changed from the last 23 years to now is that I am using a totally different form of birth control this month, and I'm thinking that is the culprit. It's just a shot, but she might want to tell her doctor that next check up and see if maybe he thinks she's on the wrong stuff (ASSUMING SHE IS, ETC).

Allyzay, Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm an isatiable bitch / crying machine during PMS and the week that follows.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

As in, I'm pretty sure it'd be grounds for divorce.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally, she's not on birth control but DON'T WORRY, it's easier to form a human pyramid in a canoe than to get her pregnant.

Pinkpanther, she does apologise. However, the matter is more complicated, as I am cold, evil, repressed and heartless - and proud of the fact, which is of course infuriating to everyone, not just her.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I know this might be annoying to hear, but I think that sometimes women use pms as an escape clause for being unreasonable. I know that pms happens, and it is awful. If you are inclined to depression it can exacerbate that. But I can't have sympathy for using it as an excuse, anymore than men having lots of testosterone can be an excuse for violence or rape.

Equally, men sometimes use pms as a excuse not to take womens' concerns seriously (like maybe there is something else wrong in your relationship). I think we all make a contract that we're going to act like people and none of us use hormones as an excuse.

isadora (isadora), Friday, 16 January 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, anonymous poster, your girlfriend sounds even worse than me before/during her period, and that says something.

I would suggest that cannabis and contraceptive pills are not necessarily the answer - the latter can make pmt irrationality as well as cramps worse, and if your lady's hormone levels deviate from whatever the medical profession defined as 'normal' that week, it could make things a whole lot worse [f'rinstance i went from not even noticing pmt to a solid week of crying, depression and picking fights after a month of the wee bastards]. even the medical profession can be dicks about this, and even the ones who don't tell you it's in your head and something you need to get over [cramps so bad you're throwing up? try going for a jog!], or blithely offer to write a script for generic anti-depressant X, can take a lot of trial and error to find a managable solution.

so, lots of naysaying, not much practical advice...get some space when things are bad, to do your own thing away from the girlfriend. if you see a fight coming, take a deep breath and try to walk away from it. and try, if you can, not to take the fights and the princess-behaviour personally. It can be very tempting in that irrational, irritable, cramped-to-all-buggery state, to see periods as a cruel cosmic joke [which it kind of is, nature's reminder to breed or taste its almighty wrath] and inflict just a little suffering on those who don't suffer from a fortnight of bloaty, teary, achey terror. Which is you.

petra jane (petra jane), Friday, 16 January 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I'm not worried about your birth control or lack thereof, that's your business and I am sketchy at best on that topic myself. I was more concerned about my advice being useless if she wasn't on any!

Allyzay, Friday, 16 January 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)


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