Do IMACS suck?

G4 Powerbook is the way. So nice.

I have an iMac on 9.2 and she runs smooth as silk.

Yeah, imacs are hard to deal with in a way. The thing I hate about the newer macs is the lack of start/restart button on the keyboard. I am loving my new G4, though. If I didn't have to be so particular about screens, I would have definitely got the powerbook. It's just so cool that you can have a superfast computer with gigs and gigs of storage space and cd burner that just folds up and goes in your back pack. No clutter.

Beats my iBOOK. No, I shouldn't be so harsh. My iMAC is great but lacks some memories. My iBOOK however... I have to restart it at least once a day.

Typical that all the lefty, greenie, hippies use Macs.

Yes Imacs suck. i once had a job teaching people to program on them and people kept asking me why they crash all the time. i dunno they just do they're imacs. uh, admire the pretty colours while you're waiting for them to reboot.

Typical that all the lefty, greenie, hippies use Macs.

Huh? i know more than my share of lefty greenie hippies and none of them use macs. For a start they're more expensive than PCs, and then you're stuck using a proprietry closed-source OS owned by a huge corporation.

Yeah but then you get the ones who think they're rebelling against Big Brother by buying macs. What dorks. They are the ones who are too dumb to know that they can run a pc with absolutely no Microsoft software on it - they're usually the ones that call pcs IBM - as if anyone actually uses anything made by IBM anymore! And Lexmark does not count as IBM.

On the other hand, I have no objection to having an apple sticker on my pc because their logo is pretty and pretty RULZ. I wish Microsoft had a sexy logo, then I'd wear a tee- shirt with it emblazoned across my chest.

people who use iMacs suck. even more than those who used macs back in the day who used to be all smug about how great they were for art, music, etc. - who's laughing now? WHO'S LAUGHING NOW?!?

As if lefty, greenie, hippies are a bad thing. Or macs, for that matter. Little talked about fact: PCs crash more frequently than powermacs when using the same types of programs. Macs floating point processor is better for working with large graphics files. In fact, I've never worked on a PC that was able to handle a 700 mb photoshop file. People like PCs because 1) they are used to them 2) they are easier to work from a programmer's perspective 3) Most people aren't doing graphics.

The funny thing about language is, you can always make good things sound bad by the tone of your comment and it can actually convince people almost as much as if your tone represented the truth of the matter. And, I know you were kidding, Tor. I just had an observation. People with radical ideas for the good of the people and the earth who believe in peace can't be all bad, can they?

BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH :-)

Second to Nude Spock. If you're working with video, serious images, music, multimedia in general -- and you can get your hands on the pricey professional-grade Mac software for this sort of thing -- you are twenty million times better off. As for Mac-crashing: a Mac will crash, but it'll come back up. You will never have to spend an entire weekend tinkering with your Mac like you will with a PC -- let alone, if you're using Windows, the yearly reinstallation.

I say all that as a PC user, though. Why? Because I knew I had access to loads and loads of good software on that end. But if someone had offered me a ProTools package, you can bet I'd have bought a Mac instead.

All PCs are not equal. Windows 9x/ME is a bag of shit when it comes to stability, but Windows NT4/2000 is a solid as a rock. I stress the shit out my work machine and it's crashed exactly once in the last year, and that was when some rogue process corrupted user32.dll. Fixing that took all of twenty minutes and I've had no other trouble with it since.

Yeah, but not all macs are equal, either. Richard, I'd guess you have some idea how to tweak your machine for it's best performance. I think a lot of people who *hate* Macs know little about cleaning out the excess shit and making sure everything is fine-tuned, or else they base their judgements on their mac user friends, who may know jack shit about setting up their machine, as well.

Also, what kind of programs are you running? The only Mac that I ever used that crashed frequently was a Mac Clone made by Motorola. I've had my new G4 for 2 weeks and it hasn't crashed. I had problems understanding OSX, but now that I'm back on OS 9.2, it's just a fast, stable computer with no problems.

If I was running winows type apps on almost any mac, I don't think I'd have many problems. Very few macs would crash running Word, Dreamweaver, Excel and shit like that. As for file servers, windows NT are better, I think. But, at my last job we had a G3 and a G4 and two windows NT servers that connected the whole company. One Windows machine had the most problems, but it was spread thinner, I think, between all the copy editors and marketing people... it also held most of our standard image files that we'd use frequently.

The PC/Mac debate is the whole "choosing a side and defending it" routine common in every part of life. It's silly. People just want to be the best/invested in the best and to believe that their choices are the correct ones, I'm guessing. It's like choosing a baseball team and defending it to the bitter end.

Ugh, I don't have time for this debate. I'm a graphic designer, and use QuarkXPress, Illustrator and Photoshop for Windows at work, and wish I was on a Mac, but it works ok. More crashes than my Mac at home, but it works. No matter how much Microsoft imitates the Mac GUI, tho, the Mac will always be more elegant and user-friendly. That's all I'm going to say.

haha my "mac" is fine as long as i remember to buy carrots for the mule and shake out the clinker from the ash-grid once every two or three days

also i need a new hot-fat extractor flue and as i write i notice the string-matrix reticule cd do with rewebbing

hold up all. my two brotehrs and girl f reind all had bum hardware that had to be replaced. thats what I meant. I macs seem to be poorly built

None of the ones I've used have ever been too problematic. I think the problem software-wise may be more OS 9, which I don't like at all -- I've stuck with OS 8.6 on my beige G3 (which is built like a tank, and runs beautifully). As for the hardware, I don't know of any consistent, major issues, although the earliest iMacs were reportedly a bit problematic for some.

And as for the larger question of whether iMacs suck as computers, it's all a question of what you want to do with them. They're basically designed for Internet use, office-type tasks, and for doing some digital video work. At those things, they do quite well. But I wouldn't want to try to use them for any serious digital audio work -- that'd be a nightmare on hardware alone.

And as for the even larger question of whether Macs are better than PCs, I like my dad's comment (he uses both): "When I want to dink around with a computer for 2 hours and try to figure out how to make it work, I use a PC. When I want to get something done, I use a Mac."

iMacs suck. Our office recently converted to them and did away with PCs which are far easier to handle. iMacs are crap. Ease of use was a big selling point about 15 years ago for Macs, but PCs are better by far. A lot of messing around to do simple things, constant problems trying to view and use files sent by PC users (which comprise the majority of computer users). Overall, iMacs are an abolute pain in the ass.

I like my Mac, because its old and useless like me. Remember the kerfuffle when I tried to upload that poster, everyone? Blimey.

macs are the computers that everyone in the design dept at Otago university uses. consequently I am biased, I think they are better since they are the only guaranteed brand spanking new up to date computers in the place. (I don't know any priviledged comp sci or info students so I cant tell you about their facilities)

my school r having imac. It R being able to run 16 logic instruments at once each with 2 or 3 effects on. It Roxors.

shutup fatnick you idiot.

Steve Jobs speaks!

THE NEW IMAC LOOKS STOOPID

Buy a PC and slap Linux on it... no Microsoft, no Apple.... easy.

i swear this is my last Onion swipe. today. but i couldn't resist the combination of imac and an all time GRATE ILE word

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That last feature is clearly the most crucial.

"Can you feel the WUV tonight?"

Just for that, Dan, I command you to sing "Somewhere Out There" from An American Tail ten times through. You must include an approximation of the guitar solo.

I would hate to be called Jobs. I'd fear that I would have to endure lots of jokes about which people preferred; hand jobs, blow jobs or Steve jobs. It would be a nightmare.

Big jobs

Wuvs you

But this is the point! I have a far greater emotional attatchment to my i-mac than I have ever had to a PC. Bless.

Do iMacs suck? Hell, yes. I am the unfortanate owner of one these pieces of shit and am amazed by their ability to turn the simplest tasks into insurmountable obstacles. Tech support is non-existent. My home e-mail does not work because the OS is impossible to penetrate. Defenders of this faceless, heartless corporation called Apple tell me OS9 works great. It doesn't. Several video attachments sent to me by e-mail would not work on OS9.

I have had hardware failures (CD drive just died), the entire system crashed once destroying over 400 mp3s. You can't use Audiogalaxy or Kazaa. If someone out there is thinking of buying one of these things, think again. And, don't believe all these assholes that tell you G4 is the way to go. I have never seen a computer that costs that much money that does so little.

I pray every night that Apple computer goes broke. I hope Steve Jobs fails again (he will) and eventually has to find a real job. It would be apt if he found work shovelling shit, since he has been doing that for years now in the figurative sense. Apple, you've created a lot of bad karma, and one day the motherfucker is going to come back and bite you in the balls.

Peace Out, Brent

Defenders of this faceless, heartless corporation called Apple tell me OS9 works great.

Ok, OS 9 works flawlessly for me. Seriousy. As far as Apple being faceless, are you daft? Compared to the PC crowd, Apple is practically touchy-feely. Personality is a large part of what sells the Mac.

The real amusement is this clown posted me an abusive private mail on the same topic, but he's so het up about this all that he didn't even copy and paste the above, but delivered a completely different rant. The phrase 'too much time on hands' comes to mind.

i hate that phrase

I much prefer "too much time in pants".

clown? my name ain't Ned, dude. Is it short for Norbert?

it's short for tanned, rested and ready

Quite so. :-) And Dan of course finds a higher, more proper interpretation.

i hate that phrase

There was a good essay on how the phrase itself can actually suck -- I've got a forward or a link or something around here in the archive -- but I think you can draw a distinction, if one has said time, between doing no harm and not. If you will.

"If you will". You should be writing copy on cereal boxes. Don't they got edumacation down there in Kentucky?

Brent totally rocks.

You can't use Audiogalaxy

Not true: there's a little program called MacSatellite that does the trick.

Brent totally rocks.

He does, at that. Aggression endlessly pursued!

MacSatellite does work -- pity Audiogalaxy itself isn't what it could be.