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Do you take them? Any qualms about doing so?

scott woods, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, I do take massive amounts of Nurofen. Ever since I discovered those meltlets, I crave for an opportunity (headache) to take a couple.

Helen Fordsdale, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

only take them when i HAVE to, cos they are bad for your immune system. a friend of mine got REALLY sick for about a week from a blood infection that she caught after taking antibiotics.

oh yeah, and for the ladies, they can give you thrush.

di, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I try my best to avoid taking them. I've got friends who get a slight cold and they are down the doctors getting anti-biotics...I don't think you should take them for things like colds, because you are putting yourself at risk of becoming 'immune' to their effectiveness. The last time I had to take them was 1990, when I knocked my tooth out.

james, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, but my doctor will only prescribe them when they're absolutely necessary and I always finish the course. I only eat organic meat, from animals which haven't been pumped full of antibiotics while they were alive, so hopefully all this means that the drugs do work fairly well. Used correctly, I think they're fine and extremely useful. Misuse them and you may as well not take them at all.

Madchen, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Very rarely for the odd throat infection which I seem to get every now and again, otherwise no, especially as Penicillin would kill me due to my allergy, also being veggie not through meat either.

chris, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Being unbreakable I fear I am missing out from this conversation. Does disprin count, I took one of those in 1984.

Pete, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Interested to know why I'd have serious qualms about antibiotics - I always thought they'd be pretty safe! And boy, banana flavour = scrummy. I haven't been prescribed anything for years though due to DOCTOR FEAR. Coedine/Asprin imbibed in great quantities though rah roXoR hmmmm.

Sarah, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am a bit confused about this antibiotics worry. Yes, it is a bad thing to take them unnecessarily, but only indirectly. The danger isn't that you become immune to them, but that immune bacteria are more likely to florish. The more antibiotics that sloshing about, the greater the evolutionary advantage of those bacteria are that are immune and so the more likely it is that they replace the non-immune strains. So overuse of antibiotics reduces their effectiveness across the populationas as a whole but not in your own body per se.

RickyT, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I had to take loads of powerful antibiotics for my rosacea earlier this year, and I suspect they contributed to a long-term if harmless gastrointestinal problem I've developed in the interim.

Michael Daddino, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I guess I'd possibly have "serious qualms" about taking them because of some of the reasons mentioned above. From what I understand (and when it comes to medicine, that's not much) they more or less weaken (if not destroy?) your immune system--the bacteria which the antibiotics fight off become immune to the antibiotics themselves. Or as a friend once put it, it's like calling in the fire department to put out a candle. I've also noticed that some people I work with who take them whenever they get a cold or flu get the cold or flu WAY more often than seems normal to me.

I also have top-down concerns. I don't generally trust doctors, or, rather, the medical "establishment"--just the fact that they don't recognize alternative, holistic practices (not to say those are the be all/end all, but they're not even allowed in the building). I'm especially weary about doctors who loosely prescribe antibiotics. (And the rush of people to get antibiotic'd up in light of the anthrax scare just reads, from a distance, like a bad conspiracy movie.)

scott woods, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I should clarify something in my last sentence: I don't mean the people who were actually exposed to anthrax--I would never say never in regards to taking them--but the people who are merely (tho' understandably) panicky about the situation.

scott woods, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Anthrax antibiotic is a prescription only medicine in this country so we don't have the same kind of mad rush on chemists and they're being stockpiled centrally instead.

Madchen, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A couple of points:

They don't destroy your immune system, but they can prevent it from developing by spanking any unfriendly bacteria before your body can accquire immunity.

People who take them/doctors who prescribe for flu/colds = idiots. Colds are caused by viruses. Antibiotics only work on bacteria. They are obviously useful for secondary bacterial infections, but most people with a sniffle don't develop them, so there's no real argument for prescribing them.

Their indiscriminate nature often does lead to thrush and gut issues if used in excess, which is obviously an argument fornot overusing them.

Having said that, antibiotics are possibly the most important medical advance of the twentieth century. Before their discovery there was often very little that could be done about bacterial infections. People regularly died from something as innocuous as a boil.

RickyT, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I really don't like taking them and only do when I'm seriously ill. They cause yeast infections and make birth control pills ineffective.

Cipro is the anthrax antibiotic here and is also prescription only also. (well all antibiotics are.) Cipro saved me from the evil kidney infection once.

Samantha, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of my best nights ever was under an apparently killing concoction of a huge dose of peniciline and Scotch. I was told later by an expert that actually, that drinking booze after having ingested antibiotics is fine,i.e.not secondary effects. It is fine, really is, even if it was just a placebo effect!

Laetitia, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Some antibiotics just work less effectively when mixed with alcohol. Others produce vomfests.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ricky T, do you have a sidekick calld Beaker?

Madchen, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, but I have got a badger that assists me sometimes. He mewps rather than meeeeeeeeeeps.

RickyT, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They don't destroy your immune system...
Not true. They can, and do, destroy immune systems both through not allowing immunity to occur and by killing good bacteria. They also harm the immune system through compromising the body as a whole. The immune system does not exist independently of the rest of the body. Antibiotics have a multitude of effects on the human body, many of which are distressing and harmful to it, and so it follows that the immune system is also undesirabley affected.
Their indiscriminate nature often does lead to thrush and gut issues if used in excess...
It is not necessary to use them in excess (or in a manner that most would consider indiscriminate) for thrush and gut issues to occur.
Having said that, antibiotics are possibly the most important medical advance of the twentieth century. Before their discovery there was often very little that could be done about bacterial infections. People regularly died from something as innocuous as a boil.
Antibiotics are occasionally useful, especially in gynaecology & obstetrics - which is really the only area of medicine where they should be considered the most important medical advance of the 20th century. Most people can fight off most bacterial infections without the help of antibiotics - if they are fit, healthy and are not in a hypo-immune state.

toraneko, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Most people can fight off most bacterial infections without the help of antibiotics - if they are fit, healthy and are not in a hypo- immune state.

...and if they've got shrapnel wounds and have been left for a few days in a boggy trench? Or if they've got Plague?

Madchen, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oops.

Madchen, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madchen, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Schrapnel wounds in boggy trenches (infected ones I'm presuming you mean) and plague are not "most infections".

There's only 1000 to 3000 incidents of plague world wide per year and the death rate for untreated bubonic plague is only around 50%. I believe it is higher for pneumonic plague.

toraneko, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK, so they were just examples, but what I'm trying to say is that if we didn't have antibiotics, an awful lot of people would die from things they don't die from now. Do you see?

Thank you for fixing my rotten italics.

Madchen, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the human body's ability to fight off infection and disease is grossly under-rated. Also, people take painkillers that reduce fever thus disabling one of the bodies most powerful immune responses.

Having a sinus, ear, chest, urinary tract infection or whatever does not immediately mean that you need antibiotics.

Sure, sometimes your body fails to fight infection and there are some really nasty infections with which it is probably best not to take any chances, but very often it can do it without any assistance from antibiotics.

Here is a quote from www.ikidney.com that kind of sums up the bizarre attitudes to antibiotics and bacteria: When antibiotics try to attack new, resistant bacteria, it doesn’t work, and sets the stage for the resistant bacteria to continue to grow. Luckily, the immune system is there for back up and can fight the resistant bacteria that antibiotics cannot kill.

How ridiculous considering the immune system to be the back up system rather than the other way around!

toraneko, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What really bothers me is antibiotic soap and kleenex and whatnot. Soap kills bacteria by itself quite well. Resistant strains of bacteria to the antibiotic they use (triclosan) in all these household products have been isolated quite easily in laboratories. Why is adding antibiotics to soap even legal? The outside of your body (which includes the mouth, gut, asshole, etc) is not meant to be sterile. On the personal scale, overusing oral antibiotics has to be detrimental to the digestive system considering the role microbes have in normal digestive processes. I don't take antibiotics, but I also can't remember the last time I was sick. Obviously if I had a blood infection or anthrax or tuberculosis or something I would take what the doctors told me to take.

Kris, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
I have just been prescribed a super-course of anti-biotics, followed by one-a-day for the next two months. Am I going to die?

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 26 January 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Only if you don't complete the course of treatment.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

B-b-but won't all my 'good' bacteria be dead by the end of it? If I come in contact with a dust I'll surely be struck down by some strange plague-like ailment.

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

A dust? Your house is so clean you deal with dust in the singular?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Eat lots of live yoghurt.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to live ina vacuum until that damn speck got in here.


Lara (Lara), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

And I'm lactose intolerant.

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Take live-culture acidophilus supplements, Lara. Also consume massive amounts of water to keep the by-products of the anti-biotics from building to toxic levels in your kidneys. And, if you're inclined toward yeast infections, invest in some of those Monistat-like cream yeast treatments (can go with the cheap stuff) - use one dose every three days for the duration of the treatment and you should be able to avoid the worst of the yeasties. Also, rinse your mouth, periodically, with salt-water and also Listerine to keep yeast from growing there (trust me - it's a really unpleasant experience to by growing yeast in one's mouth).

Er, I'm not a medical professional, but have been on antibiotics, on and off, for the past year - these have been my survivial strategies.

You should ask your doctor about other things you can/should do (and if your doctor is male, he may not be thinking about the yeast end of things, as he's not likely to have experienced that agony, so you might want to talk with a female medical professional).

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT YEAST INFECTIONS?

JEEZ...

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry - one of those unpleasant side-effects of the antibiotics. I know, it royally sucks butt!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Now I can't stop thinking about the yeast end of things.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I DO NOT GET YEAST INFECTIONS.

I *WILL* NOT GET YEAST INFECTIONS.

I wish Nick would stop thinking about my end.

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

antibiotics do not r0x0r they r all gay

ron (ron), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

seven years pass...

i've only gotten antibiotics twice! 1 of those times is now! i'm excited!

you have to forgive me (surm), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 04:21 (sixteen years ago)

What, in your LYFE?? I wouldn't have survived childhood without them, that's for sure. You must have been a healthy baby.

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:40 (sixteen years ago)

i guess! i don't know, i mean, unless my mom got them for me at one time or something. i just don't remember ever taking them, and other kids would always be like "yea i have so and so, i'm on antibiotics." i thought it sounded so impressive

you have to forgive me (surm), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:41 (sixteen years ago)

Kind of like how I really wanted a retainer. Everyone else had one.

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:46 (sixteen years ago)

drinking on antibiotics c/d

you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:11 (sixteen years ago)

Depends on the antibiotic!

C-L, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:20 (sixteen years ago)

If they gave you a cephalosporin, I would be superduper careful. Some of them react with alcohol in essentially the same way that Antabuse does, i.e., horrible horrible vomiting.

C-L, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:29 (sixteen years ago)

I am terrified of antibiotics and have never taken them in my life, I think

Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ (dyao), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:33 (sixteen years ago)

?? I seriously don't see how it's possible for a kid to grow up and never take antibiotics. Didn't you ever have ear infections, Strep throat or like a billion other childhood illnesses that call for them?

t(o_o)t (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:46 (sixteen years ago)

Eat plenty of yogurt

Sunny River, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:00 (sixteen years ago)

I think I had some hearing problems when I was a baby - not sure how they solved those. think I had some kind of tube put in my ears? never had strep throat. 'bout the worst I had was chicken pox. other than that it was just food poisoning, flus, and really really bad colds. xp

Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ (dyao), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 04:08 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

I feel TERRIBLE.

crüt, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 01:00 (thirteen years ago)

like I forgot it was possible to feel this terrible

crüt, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 01:07 (thirteen years ago)

I'm allergic to penicillin (and, according to my doctor, all the other -illin antibiotics).

The Devils of Loudoun County (j.lu), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 03:41 (thirteen years ago)

ten months pass...
one year passes...

this is really potentially great news (and fascinating)

The researchers, at the Northeastern University in Boston, Massachusetts, turned to the source of nearly all antibiotics - soil.

This is teeming with microbes, but only 1% can be grown in the laboratory.

The team created a "subterranean hotel" for bacteria. One bacterium was placed in each "room" and the whole device was buried in soil. It allowed the unique chemistry of soil to permeate the room, but kept the bacteria in place for study.

The scientists involved believe they can grow nearly half of all soil bacteria.

Chemicals produced by the microbes, dug up from one researchers back yard, were then tested for antimicrobial properties.

The lead scientist, Prof Kim Lewis, said: "So far 25 new antibiotics have been discovered using this method and teixobactin is the latest and most promising one.

Tests on teixobactin showed it was toxic to bacteria, but not mammalian tissues, and could clear a deadly dose of MRSA in tests on mice.

Human tests are now needed.

The researchers also believe that bacteria are unlikely to develop resistance to teixobactin.

It targets fats which are essential for building the bacterial cell wall, and the scientists argue it would be difficult to evolve resistance.

"Here is an antibiotic that essentially evolved to be free of resistance," said Prof Lewis. "We haven't seen that before.

"It has several independent different tricks that minimise resistance development."

BBC article which includes link to the Nature article about the discovery.

gyac, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 20:05 (eleven years ago)

Wow, cool.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 20:08 (eleven years ago)

The researchers also believe that bacteria are unlikely to develop resistance to teixobactin.

*sideeye

Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 8 January 2015 03:02 (eleven years ago)

From the Discussion:

Teixobactin binds to multiple targets, none of which is a protein (Fig. 3e and Extended Data Fig. 7). Polyprenyl-coupled cell envelope precursors, such as lipid II, are readily accessible on the outside of Gram-positive bacteria and represent an ‘Achilles heel’ for antibiotic attack28. The target of teixobactin, the pyrophosphate-sugar moiety of these molecules, is highly conserved among eubacteria. The producer is a Gram-negative bacterium, and its outer membrane will protect it from re-entry of the compound (Fig. 3e and Extended Data Fig. 7). This suggests that the producer does not employ an alternative pathway for cell wall synthesis that would protect it from teixobactin, and which other bacteria could borrow. Resistance could eventually emerge from horizontal transmission of a resistance mechanism from some soil bacterium, and given the highly conserved teixobactin binding motif, this would likely take the form of an antibiotic modifying enzyme. However, although determinants coding for enzymes attacking frequently found antibiotics such as β-lactams or aminoglycosides are common, they are unknown for the rare vancomycin.…The properties of teixobactin suggest that it evolved to minimize resistance development by target microorganisms. It is likely that additional natural compounds with similarly low susceptibility to resistance are present in nature and are waiting to be discovered.

The pull quote saying "unlikely to develop resistance" is a bit breathless but it seems like for Gram-positive bacteria to acquire resistance they'd have to eliminate highly-conserved aspects of cell wall precursors or, like, evolve an outer membrane.

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Thursday, 8 January 2015 06:10 (eleven years ago)

eleven months pass...

oh boy

http://www.statnews.com/2015/12/03/superbug-antibiotics-europe/

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 16:48 (ten years ago)

five months pass...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/The_Stand_cover.jpg

flappy bird, Thursday, 26 May 2016 18:54 (nine years ago)

seven months pass...

uh oh

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/12/nevada-woman-superbug-resistant

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 January 2017 22:53 (nine years ago)

eight years pass...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03595-3

Potentially good news about discovery of a new antibiotic. Obviously this will be some years away, subject to clinical testing etc etc. Was reading relatively recently that a lot of pharmaceutical companies don’t prioritise developing or researching new antibiotics anymore so this could be the biggest development in some time.

colonic interrogation (gyac), Sunday, 16 November 2025 18:23 (four months ago)


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