Sects, Xtian offshoots: S/D, RFI

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I'd appreciate to be schooled in the main tenets of the big ones, eg. the Witnesses, Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, etc.
Can anybody help?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Those are some pretty big ones. I thought you were going to ask about heresies.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I'd like to first start with the basics...

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Please don't lump the Quakers in with these wackos!

http://www.quaker.org/friends.html

Pursuing Peter's teaching, Fox called for a radical, egalitarian, spirit-filled Christianity that would not be oppressive of people on account of race, sex, or class. He maintained that the message of the early church had been lost when the church became institutionalized and believed that he, and others with him, could stand in exactly the same state as Apostles, with the same power to teach, to heal, and to prophesy that the Apostles had.

And no, there is no speaking in tongues or faith healing.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Quakers, Mennonites, Hutterites and the Amish deserve an amnesty from all the kooks... they're pretty Old World.

In fact, the ones you chose (with the exception of Scientologists) are all pretty established groups by now (despite their quirks and unorthodox views.), and don't really cause too much trouble. The Mormon breakaway sects (Blood of the Lamb, etc.) are complete kooks.

Penecostals are probably a more colorful group to explore, and since you included the non-Christian Scientologist, make sure to check out the followers of the deported Rajneesh in Oregon!

andy, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

And Mennonites make great sausage.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Do they complain when you stuff them in the machine, though?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

groan

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

speaking in tongues - in the Bible when people speak in tongues they talk away in language A but people hear them speaking language B, if that is the one they are most familiar with. How come then that today when Xtians speak in tongues they just spout incomprehensible gibberish?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Scientology: http://www.xenu.net/

Witnesses: Started out as a "WORLD WILL END ON [date]!" cult, but stuck around after [date]. Believe only 144,000 people will be saved in the end times. Otherwise, very conservation, fundamentalist views.

Mormons: The angel Moroni showed Joseph Smith where golden plates containing the Book of Mormon lay buried. Book of Mormon states that a group of Hebrews settled North America and Jesus made a stop there on his way to heaven. Also, a lot of other wackier stuff that mainline Mormoms pay no attention to. They are similar to Catholicism in that they are centralized and have a set of rituals they practice. Very conservative views.

.., Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw a Mormon video once that showed Jesus shaking hands with an American Indian chief... Apparently Christ walked through the West, spreading the Good News.

andy, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

mormons belive you can become a god, and also belive in planets near god called kolob. weird.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony, that is the stuff that mainline Mormons pay no attention to.

.., Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG the Osmonds made an album about Kolob.

Hahaha, Kolob!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahaha, Christians hate Mormons.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

If you slightly shuffle the angel Moroni's name you get "I, Moron".
Mormons - extra M = Moron

Joseph Smith really must not have thought too highly of his followers.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i have seen (and touched) the holy underwear.

and it has made all the difference.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

for a good read check out 'mormon doctrine.' its chock full of all that weird shit that a solid percentage of mormons have no idea about. like that blurb about why people of color are that way because they didnt fight as much as they could have during the 'war in heaven' that went down when satan revolted and were punished accordingly. i think thats been subsequently disavowed, but still.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

//Witnesses: Believe only 144,000 people will be saved in the end times. Otherwise, very conservation, fundamentalist views.-

- (qwerty@qwerty.edu), February 4th, 2004 6:31 AM.//

Not strictly true. They believe 144,000 will go to heaven, but others will be saved to live on a restored earth.

Trust me, I was a JW for longer than I haven't been.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What, no thought for Jews for Jebus?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

judaism is cool.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

what about that religion that method man, busta, etc are all into. that religion of the 10% or whatever? That 10% of people will get into heaven. all of them being african american.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

the 5% nation?

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

LAUDED BY HIP-HOP ARTISTS from Busta Rhymes to the Wu-Tang Clan, linked to drug dealers and prison gangs, The Nation of Gods and Earths -- or, as they are popularly known, the Five Percenters -- have inspired controversy for almost 40 years. But this past summer, the group received a powerful endorsement from an unexpected corner. On July 31, the Federal District Court in New York ruled that Intelligent Tarref Allah, a 27-year-old convicted murderer currently serving 19 years to life, had been denied his First Amendment right of religious freedom, and is entitled to practice his Five Percent beliefs in prison.


Immediately deemed the "5% Fraud" by The New York Post, Allah's case is the latest installment in the ongoing tug-of-war between the predominantly black Five Percenters, prison officials, and the court system. In the 1980s the group was said to be associated with a drug ring in Queens, N.Y., and in the mid-'90s South Carolina prison officials reprimanded more than 300 inmates for refusing to renounce their Five Percent status. Last year, a New Jersey state court upheld the legitimacy of disciplinary actions taken by prison officials who had broken up an orderly meeting of inmate members.

These events are difficult to square with the self-avowed objective of the Nation of Gods and Earths: peace. For decades, the elusive group has left a bewildering combination of high-minded mysticism and street-level thuggery in its wake. One might expect no less of a movement whose members claim to be divine.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Baaderist, do you mean Xtian Science as opposed to that wonky celebrity religion?

Leee Majors (Leee), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

heres an officialish looking site for the 5% percenters:

http://www.ibiblio.org/nge/

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Intelligent Tarref Allah

I take offense at his name because it implies that all the other Tarref Allahs are stupid.

Leee Majors (Leee), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I thought Scientology was all sorts of nonsense that has nothing to do w/Christianity

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"Intelligent Tarref Allah
I take offense at his name because it implies that all the other Tarref Allahs are stupid. "

He's the IDM of people.

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Search: Anthroposophy!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i know, the lds church is totally playing like their baptists, but they could have made afortune if they big upped weird space aliens. (i grew up lds)

anthony, Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

All religions are secretly UFO cults.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 February 2004 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Scientology intrigues me, as I've never managed to get somebody to explain me what it is about. What is the 'science' part for instance?

Also, re. Witnesses: why do they forbid blood transfusion? As well as any surgery?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 08:34 (twenty-two years ago)

sc1entology is horsehit made up by a caltech wanna be perv sci fi writer cum pyramid marketer.

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 5 February 2004 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Any surgery? Where'd you get that from! They don't forbid surgery. They do forbid the use of blood. I'll find you an article you can read...

http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/index.htm?article=article_06.htm

Thats from the official site.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Thursday, 5 February 2004 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)


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