Fancy your teacher?

I'd be more worried if someone here never fancied a teacher of theirs.

Oddly enough, he shared a classroom with another teacher I was slightly enchanted with. (Again, he never functioned as one of my teachers.) He sort of looked like Uncle Floyd, only not as hep. I liked him for his Italo-American accent; plus, he had a cute nose and a big butt. I'm making him sound sexier than he really was, which, yes, isn't terribly sexy-sounding. Truth be told, I paying much more attention to guys my own age, but this was the closest thing to puppy love I ever had for a teacher. (I'm assuming assistant principals don't count.)

A tangential issue: I could never understand why so many high-school teachers of mine seemed to be comfortable wearing fashions and hairstyles that were current ten-to-twenty years prior. I don't think the low pay entirely explained it.

i had a crush on my Film 202 lecturer. she was so smart and she had a poster of wonder woman in her office.

i had a crush on my Film 202 tutor too because he had hairy brown forearms and he was on-to-it and i would make him blush.

i think all of these people were aware of my desire. not because i said anything overt but because i would blush and smile flirtatiously.

i have never fucked a teacher and i never would. i would be disgusted with a teacher who tried to fuck me. it would make me wonder "does he/she do this all the time?" probably.

He saw me at university a few years ago and asked me on a date. It was my dream come true but I panicked afterwards and rang up and cancelled, his wife answered and laughed.

When I was a tutor a couple of my students asked me out. But there was one (very straight) boy with weird shining eyes who used to sit at the back and he handed in answers to assignments that bore no relation to the questions and said things like 'I do not like you if you do not like me. I like you if you are like me.' etc. But much more strange. I would always give him 51 % without showing the other tutors because his learning difficulty answers were so good! He dropped out and I was walking past the tennis courts on Stuart St and he was playing tennis with his friends. He ran out and asked me out and I said no, but I should have said yes of course!

-- The admiring Joe, whose surname I shall not disclose for fear I will be found out.

-- Brian MacDonald (brian...), October 17th, 2001.

I know you probably aren't soliciting me because of what Ned posted, but curiously enough, I'm a UC undergrad alum and later became a TA at a different UC.

Yeah, I fancied several of my TAs and had some crushes as early as kindergarten (my middle-aged teacher wasn't that hot, but her lacey camisoles and bra cleavage peeking out through her blouses were). Never acted on it because I was sure the attraction was all one-sided.

The exception is my high school English teacher. There's was always a frisson of sexual attraction, but nothing really came of it. My teacher was careful, though a terrible flirt and extraordinarily generous with me.

Then I became a teacher, and I found the whole notion of teacher-student romances highly disquieting and quite impossible for me to countenance in my own life. The huge power imbalance glossed over by murky notions of collegiality and romance is what disgusts me the most.

The department at my graduate institution was especially repellent. I'm not going to get into it here, but it appeared clear to me that fucking senior faculty (in powerful administrative positions) led to major professional and academic privileges.

I felt equally disturbed when students displayed obvious though very sweet crushes on me. Intelligence is sexy to me, and I always thought the "per-fesser" on Gilligan's Island was hot. But when it comes to being the object of such a crush in an academic setting, I can't flee fast enough. Happily, I can't imagine ever being romantically attracted to any of my students; I teach remedial courses at community college. I think even if I were teaching students who were incredibly bright and thus sexy as hell, I just couldn't be attracted to someone younger and in a vulnerable position relative to me.

Some of them look pretty damned amazing, with their drum-tight bums and that. They know it too...The teacher/pupil power thing is used far more by students than by teachers.

Would I have a do? erm...no. But there have been a couple of interesting nights out recently where I could have taken things further. It's just not right, no matter how tempting.

great musical instructor tho.

They call me "Mr. Loose Shoes"

This a teacher from my high school who has a similar thing

this whole 15yr old girl running away w/ teacher thing is kinda overplayed right

like....it happens, it's unfortunate, but the sadsack cunt isn't going to murder her or w/e

not really the point is it

the ridculous amount of coverage is wholly incommensurate to the harm involved

We don't actually know what the harm involved is.

don't like to be cynical but one might almost think the press had some kind of prurient interest in this kind of "scandal"

The harm is that she is away from her home and her parents. xp

But yeah it's not hard to see why the press wet themselves at the story, especially if it's going to take a while to play out.

there's nothing contrived about pretending 15 year olds are feckless ingenues in need of fatherly protection at all times

only disappointed it's not a female teacher/male child which as we all know is basically hilarious and not at all the same

feel so bad for the parents of this girl, they only have less than a year left of their god given rights to determine every aspect of their daughter's life

she's away from home, away from school, they don't know where she is or what she is doing. can you not understand that a parent might be concerned about that? or are they supposed to just say "oh she'll be fine, let her do her own thing"

they ought to be concerned but in the absence of any apparent serious risk to her, there is no reason for every unrelated prurient idiot in the world to be concerned

but she's the only fifteen year-old girl in the country missing from home, of course this is going to be national news

we are a nation of caring about the kiddies, after all

i mean unless they're feral dolescum or something, in which case birch them

hey now she has been stolen abroad, i mean it would be one thing if she was just going back for an arranged marriage or a bit of fgm like the ethnics do but this is a native born caucasian we're talking about

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/our-children-are-missing-most-vulnerable-youngsters-are-targeted-793496.html

complaining abt prurient press coverage is all very well but risks trivialising the seriousness of what this bloke has done

he's a wrong'un but one can scarcely justify this story because of his moral turpitude when probably thousands of underage girls from less leafy postcodes are raped and pimped out etc etc all the time

although as jack straw reminds us, we ought to be concerned about that when the perpetrators are from blakburnistan or rotherhamabad

Aha, got it.

Thank you.
Every tabloid story should come with a 4-5 sentence summary.

they may consider themselves to be in love, obv this is hugely unprofessional and crepey on his part, the rest is as Nick just described it

they may consider themselves to be in love, obv this is hugely unprofessional and crepey a criminal offence on his part

fixed

i'm not gonna enquire and i'll leave it here but you seem to be taking this unbelievably personally

i thought the french were refusing to arrest

Music then. I love music more than I love anything in the world. Listening to it, playing it, writing it and talking about it. That is the whole point of this blog thing. I want to not only promote what I do as a musician, but also share and discuss the bands that I am listening to and hopefully pass on a bit of my passion!

well at least we got a new ilm board description out of this tragedy.

xp

European arrest warrant i don't think they've a lot of choice

My only observation is that this guy has a shockingly low filter on his interior thoughts.

On a relatively serious note, much as I tend to believe that 15 year olds are autonomous agents and not tiny wee children who are property of their parents, any semblance of maturity that you have on your side kind of goes out the window when you don't have the sense to wait for one single year before doing this sort of crap.

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haven't heard a peep about this in france btw

Unless they have changed the law recently, they would have had to have waited for three years. She might be one year away from the general age of consent but the laws on abuse of power in relation to sexual offences make it illegal for teachers to sleep with any pupils under the the age of 18, iirc.

It's difficult. The school appears to have a track record in this area and the previous cases supposedly weren't taken particularly seriously because the victims were considered 'willing participants'. To whatever extent that might be true, the rules about people in positions of power not getting involved with the people they have power over are there for a reason.

From his blog it looks like Jeremy is American and moved here when he was 13. It also seems as if he hasn't really aged emotionally since then. His wife has made her blog private. Poor woman.

She might be one year away from the general age of consent but the laws on abuse of power in relation to sexual offences make it illegal for teachers to sleep with any pupils under the the age of 18, iirc.

Wouldn't she not be his pupil post-GCSEs, though? I mean, I guess if she stayed on at their 6th form she'd still be counted as such, but that would almost as stupid as thinking running off to start a new life in France would be a great idea... ah, yes.

Or do you mean that it is as strict as a teacher from Edinburgh can't sleep with a 17-year old pupil from Cornwall? Because that would be a bit strange.

*almost BE as stupid

It shouldn't matter if the teacher in question is the youth's instructor or not.

Even if they don't teach/attend the same schools?

So if a 21-year old guy who happened to be a teacher in Scotland went clubbing in Cornwall and slept with someone who later turned out to be 17 and attending a Sixth Form college, you'd think they should be imprisoned/put on a sex offender's register?

the rules about people in positions of power not getting involved with the people they have power over are there for a reason.

This is true, though. I'd still have dodgy feelings about this relationship even if they'd waited for the post-teacher/pupil instantiation, simply because remnants of that power dynamic would surely remain. However, it would show a clarity of thought and a maturity of action that attempting to elope really did not. Also: UH, don't hold hands with yr pupils on school trips if you don't want to be found out, dickface.

yeah, i keep switching between

i. this is an abuse of power, and should be considered thus, but
ii. his pupil is herself a person and to call it an abduction is a little off, however
iii. absolutely everyone involved in the situation seems catastrophically stupid

If a 17-year-old's in college, they wouldn't be under a 21-year-old schoolteacher's authority anyway, right?

As i understand it, if they're at the same institution, it wouldn't matter if he was teaching her or not. If they were at different institutions and had started a relationship, it would not be illegal as long as she was over 16. I don't know what the law is if they were at the same institution but one left before instigating the relationship.

It shouldn't matter if the teacher in question is the youth's instructor or not.

― how's life, Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:21 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If a 17-year-old's in college, they wouldn't be under a 21-year-old schoolteacher's authority anyway, right?

― how's life, Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:36 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure how these statements work together.

I wouldn't rely on most 15 year olds to make sensible life decisions when faced with highly emotional situations, including my 15 year old self.

The teacher is unbelievably stupid, obviously.

How's life, are you American? That might explain the misunderstanding. In the UK, 6th form colleges are usually (though not always) a department of secondary schools. So any teacher at a secondary school could theoretically have authority over any pupil who attends sixth form.

The teacher doesn't have any authority if they haven't been at the same institution at the same time, as far as I can see.

Well yes, that's what I was saying. But how's life was claiming that it shouldn't matter if the teacher in question is the youth's instructor or not. Which is what I was questioning.

Oh. I did not get that. Look, I don't honestly give a fuck if some 21-year-old fucks some 17-year-old, as long as the kid isn't being coerced.

I had a drama teacher who used to call our house at night and hang up. We knew it was him. In school he'd always focus his attention on some "hot" blonde (10 year old) like "bitch, I'm not looking at you". He used to suddenly "show up" when my family and I were out to dinner and stuff. I think my dad called him and threatened to beat his ass. He was "relocated" under mysterious circumstances.

I would NEVER think that way about a teacher even as an adult, I've seen what it does to girls. Usually because they don't have a strong male role model in their life.

Basically thomp hit the nail on the head with these three:

i. this is an abuse of power, and should be considered thus, but
ii. his pupil is herself a person and to call it an abduction is a little off, however
iii. absolutely everyone involved in the situation seems catastrophically stupid

The thing about number two is that the press have really gone crazy over their phrasing, like, she has "returned safe and well after abduction ordeal". She wasn't kidnapped, THEY RAN AWAY TOGETHER. Yes, he abused his position of power, yes, there may well have been statutory rape involved, and yes, these things should be considered in the story (if you insist that it is particularly newsworthy). But she was 'found' strolling along a fucking Bordeaux boulevard with her beau, she wasn't cowering in a hole somewhere weeping.

ugh Mount Cleaners, that reminds me of this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/10/my-teacher-fell-in-love-with-me

The thing about number two is that the press have really gone crazy over their phrasing, like, she has "returned safe and well after abduction ordeal". She wasn't kidnapped, THEY RAN AWAY TOGETHER

yeah this was covered upthread, there is a legal definition of abduction which this falls squarely into. if a child under the age of consent leaves home with someone else without the parents' consent then that constitutes abduction in the eyes of the law

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Anagram, my point wasn't particularly standing against the legal definitions there, my point was more about the "ordeal" aspect that I have seen constantly emphasised by the press. As you may have been able to pick up if you'd actually bothered reading the discussion.

I have read it, and contributed to it

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press have described it as an "ordeal" for her family but not for her afaict

how stupid is this prick?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210734/Megan-Stammers-Read-Jeremy-Forrests-fake-CV-French-bar-work-Bordeaux.html

also lol at the music journalism stuff

I went to that uni! And our GCSE results are VERY similar! And I did write freelance music journalism! AND my wife is always getting ID'd buying booze! Is he trying t steal my identity?

short of you having a teenage daughter, he'll settle for your identity

sick mouthy is a bit too fond of the old electropop for that to work iirc

what about otis redding?

Wonder if 'Francis Dean' was inspired by 'Frances Bean'?

this just became the story of the year

(Story Of The Year are a terrible band this guy probably likes!)

man that was really calling out for a 'name of my dog' finish tbh

Just had a lengthy conversation / argument about this with the missus, apparently this kind of thing (the affair rather than abduction) is legal in Japan and he wouldn't even have been arrested. Maybe he should have gone there instead?

maybe he should have gone to japan if he likes adolescent sex so much?

The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.[33][dead link] However, prefectures can have ordinances that prohibit sexual activities with any minor under 18.[34]

So, 5½ years then:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23004956

The schoolgirl who ran away to France with jailed Jeremy Forrest has found love with another teacher, it was reported today.

The girl was aged just 15 when she sparked an international manhunt after eloping with maths teacher Forrest, 31, who is currently serving a five-and-a-half-year sentence for abducting her.

But she is now said to be 'ridiculously happy' after falling for a 20-year-old PE teaching assistant and part-time security guard.

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