The FCC is a big piece of shit!

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1. Cable companies.
2. Wireless companies.
3. Phone companies.
4. Radio stations.
5. TV stations.

All of these industries are regulated by the FCC. And all of these industries are rife with bad business practices, corruption, monopolistic schemes, price-fixing and generally the worst customer 'service' in America. I don't think there's any coincidence involved here at all. Here is where we call out the FCC and talk shit about how much they suck. Because I fucking hate 'em and I have for years and years.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think they'd appreciate the thread title.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I want micro-radio now. I hate the fucks.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

or low-power FM. whatever you want to call it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait. Actually the FCC was going to create some low-power FM stations but it was congress that stopped 'em...ehh, this is probably not the right subject to bring up in this thread. sorry.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, aren't you glad your taxes go to things like "investigating" Janet Jackson's tit show?

don weiner, Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I read about how one of the earliest television transmissions was the image of a Felix the Cat toy spinning on a turntable. Just reading that made me realize what an amazing thing television was, for maybe all of a few weeks. I don't know how long it was before it was regulated.

jazz odysseus, Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

hard harry for fcc chief.

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 5 February 2004 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

and actually the fcc is gonna make truckloads off of janet jackson. er wants to show geriatric nudity now but the affiliates are scared. talk hard.

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 5 February 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I honestly think censorship is stronger under the guise of corporatization than regulation... all of which still underscores Tom's point.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, MTV can legally show boobies, since it's on cable and not available for free broadcast, but it doesn't, because it's afraid of the "market".

Unless I somehow missed some cable regulation laws passed by the FCC.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

they are watching, you know.
and listening.

shhhh, Thursday, 5 February 2004 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I going to have to show my boobs to everyone here? I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to hide them anymore.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

hard harry for fcc chief.

As a resident Pump Up The Volume fanatic, I feel the need to point out that I am currently feeling very warm/charitable feelings towards Keith M for posting this. Hurrah for "Hard Harry"/"Happy Harry Hard-on"!

Mellow Dee (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 5 February 2004 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

cmon donut--show us yer tits!

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

the FCC is a product of industry lobbyists in the first place - not w/o a lot of FITES of course, from church and labor and non-profit broadcasters, but the language of the 1934 Communications Acts was largely crafted by the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) which is still a very powerful lobby to this day.

in 1924, 10 years before the FCC came into existence, Herbert Hoover said that "the quickest way to kill broadcasting would be to use it for direct advertising"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 February 2004 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, the surprising micropower proposals were a brief but ultimately failed exception to the rule at the FCC: that it be a tool for corporate media to set the legal framework for broadcasting

you want a culprit here, i nominate Senator C.C. Dill, who although fronting like he abhorred advertising on the airwaves, called educators "special interests" and worked w/the NAB to help defeat an amendment to the Communications Act of 1934 that would have given nonprofits 25% of the spectrum, and allowed them to advertise in order to eventually support themselves. we might have had a BBC type situation if it wasn't for him.

http://bioguide.congress.gov/bioguide/photo/D/D000345.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

If people would like to give their tax dollars directly to me, I promise to get to the bottom of Janet Jackson's breasts.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

A hands-on investigation, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

er wants to show geriatric nudity now

They already have!! I guess it will get edited for reruns.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i think Dan meant he promises to form Janet Jackson's breasts into the shape of a bottom

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"chest-bottom"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"butt-boobs"

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

tits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

F them sons of bitches.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, Tracer - I want to read more about that.

jazz odysseus, Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Robert McChesney has a good historical rundown of how the backroom politics that transformed the Federal Radio Commission to the Federal Communications Commission. it's called "Conflict, not Consensus" or some other McChesneyish sounding title, although i can't remember if it's a book or just an essay. anyway there's some great forgotten history in there, especially about the alternative ideas floating around. a lot of the "progressive" radio folks at the time were also k-lame, like "radio should be a ladder on which the ignorant are encultured, rung by rung" and other horseshit like that

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Republicans have sponsored a resolution that asks the FCC to revoke the license of television stations that repeatedly air indecent material.

As the furore grows in the US over JANET JACKSON’s breast flash on live TV, it has emerged that BONO is under fresh attack from conservative politicians for saying ‘fuck’ over a year ago.

At the 2003 Golden Globe Awards, the U2 frontman described the gong for ‘The Hands That Built America’ from ‘The Gangs Of New York’ as "really, really fucking brilliant".

Like Jackson’s flash, his remark caused outrage. But in October last year, Bono was cleared of causing offence by US broadcast regulators the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) who ruled his speech "did not describe sexual or excretory organs or activities."

However, Michael Powell, President of the FCC, announced in late January that he would seek to have the decision on Bono reversed.

"I personally believe that this growing coarseness in use of such profanity . . . is abhorrent and irresponsible," he said.

At the same time, Powell called on Congress to up obscenity fines on broadcasters to at least ten times the present maximum of $27,500 per violation.

And Powell, fired by his ire over Bono, is starting to collect some very powerful friends.

Rolling Stone reports that eleven Republicans have sponsored a resolution that asks the FCC to revoke the license of television stations that repeatedly air indecent material. And there is bill proposed by two other congressmen - Doug Ose and Lamar Smith> - that aims to completely ban, from all radio and network television broadcasts, the words: shit, piss, fuck, c***, cocksucker, motherf****r and asshole.

"If you use [expletives] in your everyday speech, sometimes they will come out. I don't mean to offend anyone," Bono said when the furore first kicked off.

Other musicians have been less diplomatic. Condemning Powell’s mover, Steve Earle said: "I don't think anyone, with the exception of the Christian right, gives a fuck about whether someone says a dirty word on the radio or TV anymore. There are much bigger fish that the FCC should be frying, if the FCC is indeed about the stewardship of the airwaves."

Pussy Galore, Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm curious to see what percentage of Americans watch TV without some form of cable service, as opposed to those who do have cable.

Because I suspect the former group is becoming less abundant, so the FCC rules on stations that broadcast to those with antennas and not cable wires just doesn't mean that much anymore -- since cable only stations have the freedoms that broadcasting stations don't have.

(But again, most programs, even on cable only stations, censor themselves in fear of losing sponsors rather than fear of FCC fines... losing sponsors is far more financially distressing)

Still though, a more prudish FCC is always a bigger threat to college radio, which itself is becoming a more expensive and trying operation to keep going as time goes by.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, MTV can legally show boobies, since it's on cable and not available for free broadcast, but it doesn't, because it's afraid of the "market".

The FCC does not have jurisdiction over cable- or satellite-only channels. Although that could possibly change if Congress decides this is necessary to "protect families." MTV and other pay-TV networks do have Standards and Practices departments (as do the broadcast networks). In MTV's case this department has let them screen Prodigy's "Smack My Bitch Up," with unfuzzed bare breasts and buttocks, at certain hours and with specific disclaimers.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Time Warner is a cable service provider. That alone should be enough evidence to throw the FCC out on the street as a worthless waste of time and completely indefensible as a government agency. I don't even give a shit about obscenity issues as much as I do about enforced monopolies (both vertical and horizontal) and the fucking unbelievably anticompetitive atmosphere that exists in broadcasting and telecommunications.

I mean seriously I really would like to see VoIP, filesharing and TiVO kill these industries dead. Please, please, please.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 5 February 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Just wait for this Cingular merger. Once they buy AT&T Wireless, the US wireless telecom market is fucked.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Thats if Verizon doesnt jump the shark first with their $2 billion infrastructure "upgrades" so they can charge more money for worthless services.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember learning in college (mid/late-90s) that about 2/3 of american housholds had cable.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't say "Verizon" around me

TOMBOT, Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, you are so damn OTM.

Just wait for this Cingular merger. Once they buy AT&T Wireless, the US wireless telecom market is fucked.

Charging $18-20 in taxes each month for the priveliege of using my free handset isn't fucked up enough?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Dont even get me started on txt messaging...

Spinktron 2000 (El Spinktor), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

hahah you lame fuXors in the States pay when someone calls YOU! now that's genius

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

TRAGIC genius

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

verizon = satan's phone company.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

TRAGIC genius

Expensive genius, when mates run up a $21.95 txt msg bill. (Happened to a mate of mine)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"chest-bottom"

"butt-boobs"

Surely it's bum-chest?

gorsh, Friday, 6 February 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad some people are still following the true core of the thread!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3461031.stm


US network NBC has dropped a scene showing the breast of an elderly woman from the next episode of its hit medical drama ER.


ER is one of America's biggest shows
NBC said although the scene was "appropriate and in context" it could not ignore the "atmosphere" created by Jackson's stunt on Sunday.

But ER executive producer John Wells said censorship was unnecessary because the two events were "not comparable".

The edited episode of ER airs in the US on Thursday, with NBC saying it had "unfortunately concluded that the atmosphere created by this week's events has made it too difficult for many of our affiliates to air this shot".

The US networks transmit their programmes through affiliate stations across the country, who can influence programming decisions.

Mr Wells, who has worked on the show for many years, criticised the decision, believing its adult viewers were capable "of making the distinction and adjusting their viewing habits accordingly".

He added: "This type of network behaviour is one of the primary reasons that so many of today's producers and viewers are increasingly turning to HBO and other cable outlets that do not censor responsible storytelling."

Singer Janet Jackson will not be appearing at Sunday's Grammy Awards, her publicist has confirmed.
R&B star Patti LaBelle will replace her as a presenter, following the furore over Jackson's Super Bowl performance on Sunday when her breast was bared.

"I can confirm she is not attending. I won't give any more details," said publicist Steven Huvane.

US television networks had been uneasy about the possibility of another incident on a live prime time show.


Jackson had been due to present an award at the ceremony, while her Super Bowl singing partner Justin Timberlake is expected to win a number of categories.

Timberlake, who has been nominated for five Grammys, is still expected to appear on Sunday.

But, according to a source quoted by the Washington Post, the Grammy organisers were determined to see Jackson out of the show.

"CBS and the Recording Academy are waiting for her to graciously bow out. If she does not soon, they will uninvite her," according to the Post source, who was speaking before her decision was announced.

Pussy Galore, Friday, 6 February 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

That is by some stretch the most insane thing I've ever read.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Imagine 'Brass Eye' had been shown in America.

Pussy galore, Friday, 6 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
Latest rundown of indecency fines. Whatta bunch.


"Not OK:

Simulated teen sex and making out (no nudity) between hetero couples, girl in bra and panties engaged in implied group sex, all during a flashback segment for a rape investigation (Without A Trace, CBS). Pricetag: $3.6 million! Because teens don't have sex. Or get raped. Ever.

Still OK for TV, but someone complained anyway:

Explaining tossed salad and a rainbow party to Oprah."


http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/03/indecency_rulin.html


A West Coast radio buddy says a number of these fines were for programming in "safe harbor" hours (after 10PM), quite unusual. I thought s.h. had essentially withered away by now.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I find it interesting that the US is so stringent about what can and can't be broadcast. It strikes me that the majority of decent british drama (and some of the shite) couldn't be shown on terrestrial US tv channels without drastic editing. I'm guessing the FCC errs on the side of pandering to those who are most easily offended, rather than assuming that if a sensible adult encounters something they don't want to see - or don't want their children to see - they can simply switch off the tv.

Over here we have "the watershed". This is post 9pm; where "adult themes", "strong language" and "scenes of a sexual nature" can be broadcast. It's assumed that children - who would be harmed by learning that people swear and have sex - would been sent to bed by that time ('cause we're obviously still living in the 1950s) and therefore wouldn't be able to ask their parents embarrassing questions.


Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

It's not just broadcasting -- when that Brit series Shameless aired on BBC America (cable) here, they not only slapped a warning on it -- they dropped the sound out on every "fuck." (But the FCC doesn't regulate cable content. Yet.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

I had no idea that TBS was allowing the use of the word "shit" now. Good for them.

(Now, if only TNT would follow suit so that Charles Barkley could tell us all what he REALLY means.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

Digital "broadcasting" and pay-for-play everything will, I hope, against hope, wipe out most of the FCC's blue law moral influence. Of course, that leaves them with plenty of room to fuck the consumer in the eye on doling out which part of what spectrum to Wireless Provider 1 or Wireless Provider 2, and erect whatever insane cost barriers to market entry Cable Provider 1 and Cable Provider 2 ask them to.

TOMBOT, Friday, 17 March 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

oh wait. Actually the FCC was going to create some low-power FM stations but it was congress that stopped 'em...ehh, this is probably not the right subject to bring up in this thread. sorry.

-- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), February 4th, 2004.

Speaking of LPFM, the FCC has actually been veddy veddy good to me lately. We hold a construction permit for an new low-power FM station that was due to expire in June. We aren't going to be ready to broadcast by June and applied for an extension. We also needed to move our transmitter site. The FCC approved both of our requests within 2 weeks of filing them (after taking 5 fricking years to grant our application for a permit in the first place). I've also found the audio division of the media bureau to be extremely quick in answering my questions.

Overall, though, I agree that they made a fine mess of their job.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 17 March 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

In other news, the world is round, contradicting previously held notions that "she's a-flat."

Duhhhhhh, Friday, 17 March 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Maria that's great! How is it coming along?

It seems totally crazy to me that the "public" part of "the public airwaves" now mainly means the govt. gets to fuck you around and censor people but not actually, you know, provide any good programming

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

or even require others to

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

BTW they did decided that "All VoIP must be available to be wiretapped" which stands to A) put 3rd-party providers like Vonage out of the business as they gear up to comply with ANOTHER unenforceable government doctrine that the technology was never designed for and B) make Skype et al. technically illegal in the US. Pardon me while ha ha ha ha yes that's going to take you far. I guess that makes it easy for the NSA to know who to be eavesdropping on! Hey, these people, we can't eavesdrop on them. That must mean they're hiding something. Let's eavesdrop on them. And we get the catskins for free.

TOMBOT, Friday, 17 March 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

it fits w/ the weirdo right-wing idea that govts exist only to protect us from evil threats & not actually supply us with any needs (cf neo-cons sayin 'tough titty!' to katrina victims but never to 9/11 etc etc etc)

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Friday, 17 March 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Feudalism was pretty tight, the outfits and such

TOMBOT, Friday, 17 March 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

STOP BEING PARANOID!!!

TOBMOT, Friday, 17 March 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm wondering how the currently-elected batshit fundies(there's a couple in the House, at least) who are pushing for the FCC to regulate all cable & satellite broadcasting(read: no more Skinemax for you) will react to the expansion into the aforementioned pay-for-play & digital realms.

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I mean, the AFA/Don Wildmon types have obviously gone into the realm of "and i don't think you should be able to watch this, too!" and still wrapping it in the guise of child protection. So why should they just stop at cable/satellite?

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

i think the FCC will be OK with on-demand sex and violence. the national association of broadcasters (NAB) have had a strategy since the 1930s, largely followed by the docile FCC, to push everything exciting into the commercial world and leave all the worthy dull stuff to public broadcasting. PBS fought a battle for years - now largely abandoned - to be allowed to run advertising between shows. the NAB viciously opposed this because then PBS would be able to actually compete financially with the commercial networks. anyway, when the only TV you can watch for free is gormless and apolitical you'll naturally want to ante up for the good stuff (i.e. HBO, XM, cable, what have you).

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

found this, mostly from last year: a press release about Bernie Sanders' house bill to kill the expansion of FCC regulating

WaPo bit about the Senate Commerce Comm wanting to go after this. It's major proponent, of course, was Ted Stevens.

That bit is amusing in its connection between Bono saying "fuck" and the head FCC enforcement guy losing his job.

Oh, and here's the connection with the AFA, who were, i believe, the group responsible for scaring enough ABC stations into not airing Saving Private Ryan on Veteran's Day two years ago.


If only there were some sorta "V-Chip" like technology allowing parents to block such programming from harming Rod & Tod's freakin' ears...

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

I really wish I'd seen "tossing the salad" explained to Oprah (preferably by Tom Cruise).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 March 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

What about on-demand pedophilia and rape? Isn't it weird that certain forms of pretend law-breaking are okay, but not others?

Freddy Corn Chips, Friday, 17 March 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

There's a black square in the goddamned corner with letters in it.
There's a remote control with a mute button and a power switch.
I hate, hate, hate lazy parents.

TOMBOT, Friday, 17 March 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah but Tom, kids do watch TV with no one else around, that's just what happens in any household. Even in my ultra-austere only-Muppet Show-and-PBS childhood I managed to sneak in all kinds of MTV and Nickelodeon and even though my parents weren't too hot on it, and even though they supervised my TV watching FAR FAR more than any other kid I knew, I still managed to, because I was a kid and I was determined. If we had had HBO and New York public access, else god knows what I would have found. In a weird way the V-chip, in retrospect, seems like a much better move than I ever thought it was when Clinton was pushing it. It's like he could see this stuff coming down the pike and came up with something to make it all moot -- if you control content in an automated way at the point of reception, censorship etc. becomes totally obsolete and unneccessary.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

I mean I know you think maybe parents can sit with their children each day their children want to watch TV and gently guide them through the philosophical implications of each show, and then you know, cook supper, but they can't and they don't, not all the time, not even the greatest of them. And yeah you'd hope that you'd instilled enough canny cultural tools and frameworks with the stuff so that even when you weren't around your kids would be able to take things in without freaking out or becoming obsessive.

I know a couple who has kids and their only TV is in the parents' BEDROOM, which I think is an awesome idea, because that means TV times is always family time, and you always get to see what your kids are watching. Plus maybe their kids will grow up associating TV with boring old mom and dad and will grow to despise it.

In general, though, I think the big problem w/kids and TV is not that it exposes them to horrific violence or graphic sex or a glimpse of booty but that most of it is just terribly terribly dumb and so it makes them THINK dumb. FWIW I feel the same way about computers.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 20:51 (twenty years ago)

censorship etc. becomes totally obsolete and unneccessary.

well, that's the thing, isn't it? it works a lot like the anti-contraception/abstinence-only cult; it has nothing to do with self-selection/censorship(i.e. what you would choose to do in your own family). it's more to do with certain rightwing fundies not wanting anybody to possibly think about this stuff, either. Remember, these are the people that think that any discussion of a topic(or even acknowledgement that it even exists) is automatically equal with promoting it.

xpost

well, yeah, but there's also media literacy that needs to be taught, but we ain't really a culture that's all for that, aren't we?

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 17 March 2006 21:00 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

If you know anybody in Seattle, see if they can go to this open hearing at town hall on friday with head FCC douchebag about media ownership. Some of the local musicians are driving up there to represent:

For the last four years, the Musicians Union, Local 99, in conjunction with the Oregon Alliance to Reform Media, have been fighting for media justice and against media consolidation, and now we need your support. Freedom and democracy require diverse and local voices, an informed public, and equal and affordable access to the press, media, and internet communications. Our participatory democracy and electoral processes are being threatened and diminished by a handful of giant media corporations who want to grab even more control. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is holding its final hearing on this subject in Seattle.

Public Hearing on Media Ownership
4pm-11pm, Friday, Nov. 9 2007
Town Hall Seattle, Great Hall
1119 Eighth Avenue

FCC Chairman Martin is attempting to fast-track the final vote before Christmas in an effort to implement these changes ahead of the 2008 election cycle. The new rules, if passed, would allow one company to own the daily newspaper, 3 TV Stations, 8 Radio Stations, the cable company and the internet service provider in a city the size of Portland. For more details on how Oregon will be affected go here: http://www.oregonarm.org/pressmediaownership

The health of our media sets the baseline for our political participation, our cultural expression and our knowledge about the rest of the world. Whether people are concerned about media bias, the lack of diverse voices in news, the arts and music, runaway commercialism or the dumbing-down of political debate, it's important to understand that who owns the channels we watch has a huge impact.

What can you do?

Attend the hearing in Seattle and testify, or, support those presenting testimonies. If you want to ride on the bus or arrange for carpools to the Seattle hearing, please contact Bruce Fife at the Musicians Union ASAP. 503-235-8791 bf✧✧✧@af✧✧✧.o✧✧

Can’t attend the Seattle hearing, but still want to make your voice heard? You can submit your comments online to the FCC. Your comments are invaluable. In 2003 it was these public comments that helped us stop the FCC when they tried to relax media ownership rules. Submit your comments here: http://www.stopbigmedia.com/seattle.php

Contact your representatives in Washington DC. For more information on how they stand on this issue and contact information, go here: www.oregonarm.org/tellcongress

Updates for the hearing can be found at www.reclaimthemedia.org

All other inquiries can be directed to Bruce Fife at the Musicians Union.

Bruce Fife
President, AFM, Local 99
325 NE 20th Ave.
Portland, OR 97232
503-235-8791
503-296-5775 (fax)
bf✧✧✧@af✧✧✧.o✧✧

kingfish, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

lol treating information like gas & electric

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

Gas just wants to be free.

milo z, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

Can't believe no one jumped on Milo's straight line there.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 8 November 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Esp. given thread title.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 8 November 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

This story is pretty ridiculous:

FCC Vote Affecting Cable TV in Jeopardy

n/a, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

"Brian Dietz, a spokesman for the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, contends the proposal dealing with minority ownership of channels could actually have resulted in less media diversity by forcing other programming off the air."

Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Of course we will never know because the FCC has been scared into withdrawing the proposal (which essentially says, excess bandwidth should be given to channels owned by women and minorities and cable companies should have to carry those channels as part of their offer).

The FCC is so unbelievably toothless and visionless and broken. In the UK, the communications regulator, Ofcom, wields its authority like a giant club. It even tells Rupert Murdoch what to do.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

it's political correctness gone mad

ken c, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Nobody at Sky listens to Murdoch anyway or so he claims (based on his desire to make Sky News more like Fox News).

blueski, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

The minorities and women thing is just one facet of what Martin said he wanted. If cable companies reach a threshold of market penetration they become subject to a much more comprehensive regulatory regime that includes all kinds of things and what's especially scary for the cable operators is that this regime would have the potential to include even more things than it has now. This is what truly scares them, the idea that they could be held accountable for their jackal-like pricing or that they might have to actually think about the balance of channels and programming they provide.

Kevin Martin should resign. If the chairman of the g*ddamn FCC can be undermined this easily by lobbyists he does not have the authority to be an effective regulator.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/28/business/FCC190.jpg

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

What's extra weird is that Martin is a Republican and some of his proposals include even further loosening of media ownership rules (i.e. the same company can own two local radio stations and the town newspaper etc etc)

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

I love DirecTV

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

does anyone have any idea what channels will be available on digital free-to-air in the USA? is it just going to be the big four and a few others? do NBC or whoever have any plans whatsoever so add, like "NBC Plus" with more programming?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

so add = "to add"

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

haha does everyone seriously have no idea/not care about this?? i guess this proves the point that cable is past the point of saturation

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

in principle, i agree that diversity of media ownership and access to bandwidth/spectrum would be a good thing.

in practice, i'm more interested in cable channels being offered a la carte (wasn't there a proposal for this?) i only watch a handful of things anyway.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

well, i'm the one who revived this thread. i'm basically interested in that crazy guy trying to push through his own interests based on one study even though there were a bunch of other studies saying the opposite thing.

n/a, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

Kevin Martin also wants a la carte, and a la carte might be really expensive

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/business/media/24nocera.html?_r=2&ref=media&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

sorry if i wasn't clear, i meant does anyone have any idea "what channels will be available on digital free-to-air in the USA"

in the UK, the large choice of quality programming on free digital broadcasting is making richard branson and rupert murdoch hopping mad

i bet the US doesn't make the same "mistake"

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

the reporting on the story is just SO BAD - it's impossible to tell what the real issues are

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

The agency already has most of the data that was available from the industry, [Republican commissioner McDowell] said. The only additional information that could be gleaned would have to come from smaller cable operators. Some of them, he said, may be exempt from keeping those kinds of records.

"The irony is that we're asking for information that we don't have and we're not going to probably get," McDowell said. "We have the bulk of the information that we are going to get.

[FCC chairman Kevin] Martin said in an appearance earlier on Wednesday that seeking further information from cable companies was a reasonable way to proceed.

"That way we will have the actual data and we'll know on a going forward basis," Martin said.

--

So, they need this information, or they don't? I haven't read a single news story about this that even attempts to evaluate that question.

Again, the issue is that if cable is available to 70% of the American population, and 70% of those for whom it's available actually use it, then the FCC can regulate it a lot more. This is because of a law that was passed back in the early 1980s (presumably as some sort of deal that allowed cable companies to do whatever they damn well pleased in the meantime).

Martin is a Republican. He tangled with former chairman Michael Powell (Colin Powell's son) during Powell's disastrous reign that saw media consolidation grow by leaps and bounds. Martin forged some alliances with Democrats against Powell. But it's hard to see what he's driving at here -- he clearly alienated his own commissioners with what looks like a very hasty and ill-thought-out plan. Even his Republican commissioners blasted him to reporters. So what's going on here? Why did he do this in such an inept way?

Furthermore, why is there no agreed-upon metric for the 70/70 threshold? Is it really a matter of whose numbers can be propagandized more successfully to the commission and to members of the public? If so this is simply amazing.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

"Before becoming a commissioner, Martin was a Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy. He has also served as the Deputy General Counsel to Bush-Cheney 2000, on the Bush-Cheney recount team in Florida, and on the Presidential Transition."

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

heckuva job

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

the timing of all this makes me wonder if the NFL Network happened to approach Mr. Martin with certain inducements

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to look and see if openCRS has anything on this when I get into work (bonus: really will look like work!)

based on the number of ILNFL cable customers whining whenever us satellite kids bring it up, I suspect the NFL Network doesn't need to approach any milquetoast appointee with inducements of any nature. much like the rest of the league model I imagine they're all about waiting out for cox, comcast, tw et al. to just say the right $$$ #

El Tomboto, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

"a going forward basis"

STAB STAB STAB STAB

Laurel, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

by the way, while this is all happening, martin is loosening ownership monopoly regs on the 20 largest media markets. i don't put a whole lot of stock in online petitions, but there's a page with more info here:

http://www.usalone.com/stop_media_consolidation.php

Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 November 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)


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