What's Love Got to Do With It? REQUEST FOR ADVICE.

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I've got a good job. Nice friends. My brother and I are tight. Pretty good future. Only I met this girl - I think I'm in love. The catch is that she is crazy. Not high strung or kerrazy but carries a long history of family mental problems. I'm involved with her. But lately I've been thinking that I'm using her because she offers me something different from my life. My life before seemed boring. Would you date someone with extensive mental health problems? Would you not? And why do the beautiful ones always have to be crazy?

The Question Man, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i have no good advice, but if it makes you feel any better, i have a crush witha beautiful girl who isn't crazy at all, but rather very intelligent and composed, which means i have no chance in hell. ;-)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe her life feels boring too - why not try acting crazy?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got out of it recently with a crazy one... she was hot but had recently stopped taking her meds, because she felt so much better.

Make sure she takes her meds! (Also, is she just be a drama person and play-acting crazy, or really fucking nuts?)

andy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

She's really, honestly, crazy. She got mad at a party last weekend, and it scared me, she put her hand through the window. Blood was everywhere. But the more I reason why I'm doing this or listen to the reasons why I should not be involved, the deeper, I get into it. She is intriguing.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"She is intriguing."

She's tnot the only one with problems. Run like the wind, from the girl and to a shrink.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

what's the prob?

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

make a baby. that'll settle her down.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"it was such a... funny feeling.."

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

When I picked her up three months ago, we were at a bar, I was with my brother, and she gave me a phone number, two phone number, one was for the mental hospital and the other was her home phone.

'You can reach me at either'.

She is just different from the other girls. The other girls look at me and think of boring things. She makes me think that my life before was crazy.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaaw.

ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

answer my question first.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Does she smear lipstick all over her face while mumbling "...I'm not pretty enough... not pretty enough.." into the mirror?

I think I know that girl. Run, man, run.

andy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

She is very evasive about the exact nature of the problems. I think incest had happened and it fucked her up. Definitely some sort of paranoia problem. Before the last breakdown she told me that she thought the streetlights were watching her and recording her movements. I feel bad talking about her. I can't talk to anyone about her anymore.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

sounds like you're writing about me, you know, all except the beautiful bit.

i suggest you see how things go, I mean is she actually currently mental. Does she just have a family history of being mental? In what sense is she mental, because you know theres "a little wild and crazy" mental and then theres "attempting to jump out of your car door as it speeds along the highway" mental (My younger sister tried this with her husband in southern california last week)

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

ignore my now defunct questions please.

I don't know, do you think you're able to distance yourself from her at this point or are you already too involved?

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is, when we are alone, we do the most most amazing stuff together. I can't say it without feeling corny but its like she sees beauty in things that I did not see before. Like she has this weirdness about her, like she is almost like a child.

It's odd. It's not full on drama all the time. But last weekend freaked me out.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been there; you're both fucked up. Get away from her and get talking to somebody about why you think dying crazy girls are more beautiful than normal ones.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not fucked up. If you met me you would not think that. I think I can handle it. Others seem to have a problem but when you come from an Army background (not myself but my family) anything is going to seem a little strange and different.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Colin is crazy. Who's dying who?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, what are all us crazy girls gonna do then?

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

As long as it is not like last weekend. That was tough. I will admit. And had me confessing hard truths to myself.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Trust me, brother, if you're asking an internet bulletin board for advice that you're not willing to take, you're fucked up.

You can't save her. That's really what you're asking, whether you know it or not. And she sure as shit isn't going to save you, either.

"Dying" = in the long run, we all are; people who get self destructive and make themselves bleed are headed that way faster.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

And crazy girls should be hand-painted anyway.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, I think, Colin.

The last week has been hard.

It was the first party we had went to as a 'couple' and introduce her to my friends. Maybe the pressure was too much? I don't know I've asked myself a thousand questions in the E.R. and a thousand since.

She's the first girl I've been with that sees more than marriage/materialism.

I had to release some pressure tonight. I do appreciate it.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Colin, I'm a bit offended by your attitude I hate to say. I agree with ipsofacto - aer you suggesting anyone with mental illness must go without a relationship because no one in their right mind would be near someone "crazy"? What makes you think Question Guy wants to FIX her? Maybe he finds her world very rich - I know I have done so with some people not mentally stable.

Yes, some forms of mental illness can bring with them a lot of hard work and stress for loved ones, if there's risk for example of lifethreatening or criminal behaviour, for example.

Thats not to say everyone who's "mental" will automatically be a) suicidal or b) act in a destructive (either self or outwardly) manner.

Question Dude - if she really gives your life a richness, and makes you happy, and you feel strong enough to want to be with her even if its gonna be plenty a rolllercoaster, I say go for it man.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Ack scuse my typos and whatnot, I'm at work and I rushed that reply.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sincere with my hardass advice, and wish I'd gotten some of it when I was where you are now. It gets worse. Infinitely worse.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh also, its not like plenty of so called "normal" people Ive met have been way more assholish when it comes to doing stressful and/or destructive things to themselves, me or others, so the "mental" thing is an aside, I reckon.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

X-post: the tip-off is the admission that the crazy might be part of the appeal. This is bad territory, a dangerous romantization of problems that isn't good for anybody at all on earth.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

In all seriousness, though, I would just play it by ear and give it time... It sounds like you like her, and from what you say about the status of your relationship (very new), she may just be nervous and afraid of doing something wrong.

Talk to her about it; tell her the broken glass scene reminded you of a warped Tennesse Williams play.. but keep light about it or she'll get strange and stalk you.

andy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is this, I'm really tight with my brother, always have been since my father died. But he despises her. I'm going to be going to medical school shortly to study and he thinks that this relationshhip will scupper my chances. It's hard. My brother is older and we've been very tight. I rely on him alot. But since last weekend he has refused to talk to me until I get rid of the girl. Maybe I should just go over and talk to him and stop talking on the internet.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Colin - thats a good point I'll admit. There is no good to be done from romanticisng mental unwellness. It causes a lot of greif and hard work. But it can have some great rewards, too.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

alot of probs.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of which, did anyone see Cronenberg's "Spider"? I think that was the best film of '03... so freaky.

andy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree. : - (

I wish last weekend did not happen.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

OTM tracey.

My younger sister and her husband have one of the sweetest relationships ever, it's beautiful to watch how much they care for each other however in the last years she's tried to throw herself out of a moving car, punched a glass panel in a door (and ended up in the ER too) and jumped out a window three stories up (once again resulting in a trip to hospital). I myself have been in a psychiatric ward a few years back and I have two cousins who have schizophrenia, however each one of us has been in or are still in committed loving relationships. It takes a compassionate understanding person to deal with it, but it can and does work.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Loving someone with mental illness is possible and can work out well for all concerned; thinking mental illness is attractive is very, very, VERY dangerous and cannot work out well. I think Question Guy is in the latter category, and I think he needs to (at the very least) think very hard about this very soon.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm reminded here for some reason of Donnie Darko:
"How's it feel like to have a whacko for a son?"
"It feels wonderful"

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Colin I think I'm going to talk to my brother tomorrow. I would hate to think I'm in the latter catergory as he and apparently you think I am.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

And thanks again. Apologies for cloaking myself.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

This is an interesting issue. Non-rhetorical question : why is it only right if someone loves someone in spite of their mental health problems? Why can't their pathologized qualities have their attractive aspect without it being classed as dangerous romanticizing? I don't think the Question Guy has indicated that he goes for mentally ill women generally.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't find mental illness attractive, but I don't think I could relate as well to someone who hadn't experienced at least some of the same feelings and behaviours.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

All girls are nutz. End of story.

may pang (maypang), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Women - can't live with 'em, can't commit them to a mental asylum.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that I have any real help to give here, but everybody deserves to be loved. And TQG, if you love this girl, then just gird yourself and go for it. Just always remember that mental illness is a sickness and you may not be able to cure it. If she (God forbid) doesn't get better, then it won't be because you loved her. If she does, then it may be because you do. My girl and I have been together for 13 years, and even relatively sane people can go nuts from time to time. The world is a goddamn cocksucker and will get you when it can. But we've fought our way together, and hopefully our love will never end. I hope the same for you.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Just a quick update. I had a chat with my brother who gave me two things to think about: 1) Am I prepared to take on the responsiblity on an unstable person and 2) Am I prepared if something bad were to happen to her. Apparently it is not 'fair' to her if I'm not willing to shoulder these two things. Complications. Upon complication. I'm going to go out for a run.

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I am going to end it. Even the thought of doing so hurts. I want to talk to somebody about it but nobody in my personal vicinity seemed to think that my love for her was 'real'. It's just getting worse. I don't see how we can mitigate her problems together. Man. Love is a burn. I'm angry at myself for attaching myself onto her. It unnerves me how much I need her. But what I need is of no good nor importance. She needs what is good for her and it is becoming plain to see that it is not me. I don't know why but that really hurts. I've not slept or ate in days. It's like I don't even know myself anymore!

The Question Guy, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ending it is the right thing, I think, but you're definitely going to need to talk to someone about all of this. Talk to your brother about who you might talk to, and run from anyone who prescribes anti-depressants first and asks questions later.

If you do this right, you're in for an ugly, painful couple of months, but you'll come out much, much happier than you can imagine right now. I wish you loads of luck, and stay strong.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounds so much like a situation I was in. Looking back, I found the mental illness extremely difficult to cope with but I think I was also in some way subconsciously seduced by it. She was beautiful and had a powerfully original way of seeing things and expressing sex and emotion that I found bedazzling. But it got to her attempting suicide with sleeping pills, her ringing up my parents in the middle of the night to badmouth me, getting me into trouble at work, just all sorts of crazy things that I couldn't cope with any more. I actually had to leave the country for a while.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

O.k. (I hope you don't mind me continuing with the original problem, just need to blow off steam.) But I've come up with a compromise and I think it might just work.

I did it. Man it was hard. We went out and she guessed it before I could say anything. She asked me if we were going to break up. I said yes. She slapped me. Man she can hit. She got up and said 'You know what, you've just lost the best thing that you will ever have'. I know I should have stayed silent but I agreed. I felt like I was. Am. She then said, 'Really'. She was honestly surprised that she almost had me crying to see her walk away. But we sat down and hashed it out.

See, two things, I'm from a line of West Point grads -- I did not want to go and devised a heavy compromise. And all my life I've been compromising with my family so I thought I could compromise with her. The compromise is this: When I go to school she gets help. She stops doing cocaine. She goes to therapy. She gets help. In that year we communicate only through written letters. No telephone calls. No emails. No visits. We see nobody else. At the end of the year we see if we've gotten help and if the situation has changed.

I know its not exactly what I had set out to do. But I've never been in love before.

But however when I checked my email I had over a hundred emails from her. Frightened and desperate but I can deal with that as she is voicing what I'm feeling but can't say.

I think this might work.

The Question Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit. Talk to you again in a month or two, when you wish you'd never been born.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok.

The compromise can't be that bad.

I'm going to be leaving the city soonish. Maybe time and distance will help and you can see what happens. I mean, if she is truly in love with me and I her, it keeps, does it not?

My whole life has been turned upsidedown. Friends who were my friends vanish in the space of days. Her friends are 'arty' and I don't really connect. I can't just abandon her. I can't. I'll ignore the emails and keep to the specifications of our original agreement.

Who said: 'Humilty is endless'?

The Question Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

good luck.

sincerely.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like I've just been made to sign my own death warrant. It's not that bad. In effect we will be 'penpals'. But tell you this much based on the reaction I've just gotten I'm not going to tell anyone, brother or friends, about this. I can't see how it is not a win/win situation. At the end of the year maybe everything will be really good.

The Question Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/bpd.html

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know how to counteract. Yes, that describes S almost, almost, perfectly. But I'm not a clinician and the danger of misdiagnosis are inherent if you are not trained as such. But I'm confused. As to what characteristics that color our relationship are real and what are symptoms of her illness.

I need to think.

The Question Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

look, the writing is on the wall.
ONE HUNDRED emails in a few days???
Putting her hand thru a window?
Giving you the phone number of mental hospital saying "try me there"?

Dude, YOU need help. (Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I mean it seriously). This is not normal, and a person that does things that are *that* extreme is not equipped to be in any kind of relationship at all! Therefore you shouldn't add to her madness, and you shouldn't try at all. Look her up in a year or two and see how she's doing. In the meantime, don't bog yourself down with needless pain AND give her something to obsess over.

If the situation were less extreme I would say give it a chance, but what you are describing is absurd.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ONE HUNDRED emails in a few days???

In a period of which would leave anyone in an anxious state.

Putting her hand thru a window?

After three months of complete bliss. Why do you think I'm confused as to what to do?

Giving you the phone number of mental hospital saying "try me there"?

It was a joke she had made.

I'm not going to go through the whole history. Suffice to say it was a real relationship until last weekend when a pretty big hole cracked it. And yes, I realised that something was 'off' -- but thought maybe it was an anxiety-related issue. I did not understand how big the problem was until last weekend. I'm in love. Obviously, it was not suppose to be this way.

I'm not going to defend it, anymore.

I am working on a way to fix it. Or leave it.

The Question Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Leave it. I did this, Question Guy, exactly as your're doing it, and I said the same shit to myself. And I got hurt bad.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, your advice/experience is probably worthwhile, here, but it isn't going to be taken too well because of love.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Love's not the word, but dude's not going to figure that out for a while if at all.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

As someone who comes from a family with a history (on one side) of serious mental illness, I cannot imagine being in a long-term relationship with someone whose problems are that severe. I've seen how bad it can get, and I know myself well enough to know that I simply couldn't deal with it for very long. Maybe you can, if you think you can go indefinitely without stability in your life.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i have an unerring eye for emotionally challenged women. things usually start off me with me helping them somehow--as a listener, or a job counselor, or something. i really like the way i feel when i can help someone, and i love feeling needed, and i get into this whole rescuing mentality and end up thinking i'm in love. knowing it! my problem is that these things tend to stay one-sided, and the person ostensibly being helped starts to resent me, and i end up sucked dry emotionally, time-wise, and sometimes financially. so i try harder and act more patient and loving and keep getting my ass kicked. eventually i realize that i'm not helping anybody, and i'm putting myself in a dangerous spot, and i'm eliminating the chance of anyone truly amazing coming in to my life.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

For the past twenty minutes I've been trying to type a response but I can't. I think I need to do some thinking and stuff over the next couple of days. Thanks.

The Questions Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Colin's information keeps putting doubt as to the validity of my relationship v. the past three months v. how well do I think I know her v. what I do know of her.

The Questions Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Best of luck, whatever you decide.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I really do wish you the best, and not only because your posts read like my diary in 1992.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually 1991, the year punk (and my heart) broke.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Good luck. There are people that can help ypu. There is nothing wrong with talking to someone that has the professional background to help you. Mental health clinics usually offer good advice for free, and so do churches if your so inclined. Obviously, your not the first person to deal with this and the advice of some civilians on the internet is not the only choice. We'll be thinking of you.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I just did it again. Wrote out practically an essay about how much in love I was, how I felt like I was growing with her attending art shows, going to clubs to see bands that I never heard of, doing fun things, leaving the city and acting like fugitives staying in bad motels and then it just seems tainted with sadness.

I just feel really guilty. I lied to the Doctor in E.R. because she begged me to tell him it was an "accident". I just feel bad. He even pulled me aside and I privately had to convince him. I told her parents it was an accident. I remember thinking how relieved they looked that it was not a 'situation'.

When did I turn into this person? When did she turn into that person? Why do people seem to be changing so fast? Who knows anyone anyway?

I'm out for a walk.

The Questions Guy, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I lied to the Doctor in E.R. because she begged me to tell him it was an "accident".

Yikes! I know you're not really asking for advice anymore but this is a bad, bad sign.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree and I was pro making it work earlier in the thread. You'll find someone else, this sounds like it has a 100% chance of turning out badly.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

you might want to write down your vision of a sane and happy relationship. what's the dream? what would that person be like? go nuts. don't think of it in terms of this particular person you're with now. it's an exercise that's helped me to get some clarity.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I did it.

It's over.

We met up to talk about things and then I stopped her before it went further. We met down at the lake. Driving down there I actually was going to ask her to marry me or at least live with me when I went to school but something just possessed me, before she said anything I just told her it was over. That it was over and I'm going to get in my car and that is that. She told that I was going to kill her as I was walking away. I drove for hours. Man so many weird thoughts were going through my head: suicide, people who I thought I knew, becoming a hermit and not bothering with anyone anymore. I decided to drive until, until, not until I felt like a human, but until I felt like an asshole for doing what I did for leaving so quickly. I did not even know where I was! I threw out the ringing mobile. In the country by the end of it and went for a walk in a field and thought it would be nice to start life over again. I think I might go away for awhile. I have no real responsibilities at the moment. I think I need to get away. I've still got it bad (I've been listening to the two cds that she left at my house - Low and Joni Mitchell's Blue like they are the holy grail) but I need to clear my head of the intensity. I don't know who I am anymore and not sure about anyone else and the world is a weird place right now. I'm thinking Los Angeles.

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Good choice.

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks. Though I am in a bad state and cynical about people and love; being on this user-group actually was one of the deciding factors.

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

And thanks Colin for sticking with me!

It does hurt alot but it is better than being numb.

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I might go away for awhile. I have no real responsibilities at the moment. I think I need to get away.

Ace idea. After all the hurt, you need to reassess who you are and what you want to do now....before you can even think of meeting another. (As much as it hurts now, eventually you'll heal enough to even consider the idea.)

Hang in, dude. Suicide is never a solution, so halt that. We can't give you much, but the support is there whenever you want it.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

No I would never do that. That is why I kept on driving because I had thoughts like that. I might even leave tonight. I'm arranging it at this moment!

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so sorry to hear you're hurting... sometimes, I guess you just have to do what's best for YOU, even when it isn't necessarily what you want. *much love*

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

You're welcome. The bad news -- it's going to hurt even worse for a while, but ride it out and be fearlessly ruthless in figuring out what just happened to you. It will get betzter.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i know exactly where you are right now. you'll be alright.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sitting here reading email after email that she is sending me, at this moment, listening to the Joni and Low cds she left behind befitting my mood and waiting to hear back from my friend in L.A. When I got an email from a friend of hers saying that she had killed herself. I phoned the friend. It was a trick. At this moment, I'm getting emails from her saying that she did, put her friend up to it, too see me. The weather is nice, at the moment, not rainy but damp and cool. I think I need to lock up my email address, give it an impossible password, this is painful.

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that she's acting this way is all the proof you need that you made the right choice.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

sounds like sad teenage stuff.
i am sorry.

xpost

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

There was no right or wrong choice. There was just choice.

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm...maybe I worded that wrong.


From the information you presented, it appears you may have saved yourself a considerable amount of heartbreak.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

But she is right though this is a selfish act that is if survival is selfish but I'm going to miss her. It's not sad teenage stuff. She's ill. And that's not going to change. I thought that she was the 'one'. And I've not thought about any girl that way before. I wished all of this never happened. The past couple of days have shown me the damage of life as inflicted onto others.

The Question Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed. Sorry to hear its all gone somewhat pear shaped. But also, dont let her (or anyone) ever manipulate you with emotional blackmail. Even mental illness is not an excuse for behaviour like that.

An ex of mine told me I was "lucky" he hadnt driven off the road into a tree in despair after I broke it off with him (similar reasons really - he was extremely depressed and not making ANY effort at all to fight it, and I couldnt cope). FIve years on he's fine of course, it was all words.

Another ex spent days emailing me he was going to go gas himself in the car. He was in another country and knew full well I couldnt do a thing if he was serious.

I know I did (and still will) defend mental illness, but coping with someone using their problems against me as a weapon and being clingy to the point of suffocation gives me the fear after one too many guyslike that in my life...

I hope things work out for the best for you QG :)

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

These folks are survivors, QG. Concentrate on yourself.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just waiting for my friend to answer regarding me coming out and the mailbox will be locked. I should walk away from it but I'm addicted to her and the way she writes.

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

She's now sending me my own emails and replying to them like they are recent, like I'm emailing her which I have not. It's funny but it was really good before it turned to shit. I sounded really happy and content.

The Questions Guy, Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I suppose I should end this thread for good.

What's love got to do with it? I don't know.

Mark.

The Question Guy, Friday, 13 February 2004 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)


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