― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)
lancaster and barrow are possible choices (though of course barrow used to have a league team).
i think in terms of town size without recent league representation it will probably be eitehr st helens or warrington though, maybe wakefield. (doncaster and halifax keep yo-yoing i guess)
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)
I suppose this question could be settled by science, if someone had the energy. Don't know whether you'd use average aggregate gate size or a league position points system to arrive at the numerator.
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Bath. 170,000 people and only a non-league side to show for it (one that's bottom of the Doc Martens at that). The closest they came to league football was when The Gas were lodging there.
Swindon. Town might have been successful in the past, but 180,000 people expect more than Div 2 football.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)
Of course, there used to be a football club, but we all know about that.
― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)
Just south of Surrey, is East Sussex another county with no football league team, there is a sizeable support for Portsmouth in places like Chichester.
Portsmouth have plans for a new stadium to eventually reach 35,000 - with Portsmouth and places like Havant/ Fareham/ Gosport/ Waterlooville and parts of Surrey and East Sussex in the extended catchment area, Portsmouth will become the premier club South of London interms of Ground capacity and supporter base.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)
DJ Martian, do you mean to make it sound like the Third Reich?
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)
x-post
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)
Gloucester people can go to Cheltenham, which is only inches away.
― All Bunged Up. (Jake Proudlock), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)
For their size it's surprising how poor the two Welsh teams, Swansea and Cardiff have performed.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Rushden & DiamondsDagenham & RedbridgeHavant & Waterlooville
ect ect...
Cabbage (back) to thread - he'd know I'm sure.
of the former, It is interesting to speculate how many would've survived/done well if they'd stayed separate.
― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Dundee (OK not in England) also has a similar sized population and has two teams in the same STREET!
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Birmingham977,087
Bradford467,665
Bristol380,615
Cambridge108,863
Chester118,210
Derby221,708
Leeds715,402
Leicester279,921
Liverpool439,473
London (Greater)7,172,091
London (Inner)2,766,114
Manchester392,819
Newcastle-upon-Tyne259,536
Northampton194,458
Norwich121,550
Nottingham266,988
Oxford134,248
Sheffield513,234
Southampton217,445
York181,094
Looking at it, Yorkshire is hitting way, way below its weight, esp. these days.
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)
1 Chester 30 39 63 2 Hereford United 29 30 55 3 Barnet 29 12 52 4 Aldershot 29 11 52 5 Shrewsbury 27 16 48 6 Exeter City 30 8 48 7 Morecambe 30 1 47 8 Accrington 29 10 45 9 Woking 29 11 44 10 Stevenage 29 4 42 11 Dag and Red 30 8 41 12 Burton Albion 28 5 39 13 Telford 26 8 38 14 Halifax Town 29 -11 37 15 Scarborough 27 -1 33 16 Gravesend & N 29 -10 33 17 Forest Green 29 -16 33 18 Margate 29 -12 30 19 Tamworth 29 -20 29 20 Farnborough 30 -15 26 21 Leigh RMI 29 -35 22 22 Northwich 30 -43 12
which catchment areas of these clubs most deserve football league places?
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)
obviously, Greater Manchester is much bigger. There are other borough council areas such as salford, oldham etc
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)
Rushden and Diamonds merged in 1992 with the intention of establishing another Northampton based professional football team (and succeeded).
Dagenham & Redbridge is more Dagenham incorporating some smaller fry in a less successful attempt at establishing league status.
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)
Mentalist close stadia alert!!!http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.wynne/na/denstannadice.jpg
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)
Leeds is the second largest metropolitan district in the UK; extending 15 miles from east to west, and 13 miles from north to south. This wide boundary contains some 562 square kilometres - of which two thirds is Green Belt - affording some of the most beautiful scenery in Yorkshire.
According to the data, the population of Leeds is 715,404 - malking it the third biggest city in the UK after London and Birmingham.
Lets recap
UKBiggest - London2nd - Birmingham3rd - Leeds4th - Glasgow
confirmed by this graph on Glasgow City council's websitehttp://www.glasgow.gov.uk/html/about/facts/facts0~3.htm
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)
Leeds somewhere down a bit from Sheffield. When did it get so darn big?
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)
remember, Manchester City fans chanting there is only one team in Manchester. Manchester United are in the Borough of Trafford.
http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/ten-towns.htmlThe Ten Townships of Greater Manchester
BoltonBuryManchesterOldham RochdaleSalfordStockportTamesideTraffordWigan
>> tameside, salford are the two boroughs without football league clubs.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)
Although Salford the neighbouring borough, is also well known as the Red / Man utd fanbase.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Salford is itself a city, and has it's own city councilhttp://www.salford.gov.uk/living/yourcom/salfordlife/aboutsalford.htm
Oldham is a town, and has it owns council: that is a Metropolitan Boroughhttp://www.oldham.gov.uk
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)
well, if you use *that* definition, the City of London doesn't have one!
― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Guy Incognito, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)
*I don't know anything about football.
― jellybean (jellybean), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)
the whole of surrey.......1059015http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/surrey.asp
the whole of west sussex .. 753612http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/west_sussex.asp
the whole of Warwickshire... 505885http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/Warwickshire.asp
Wakefieldhttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/wakefield.asppopulation of council area: 315173
Dudleyhttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/dudley.asppopulation of council area: 305164
Warringtonhttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/warrington_ua.asppopulation of council area: 191084
St Helenshttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/st_helens.asppopulation of council area: 176845
Bathhttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/bath_and_north_east_somerset_ua.asp.population of council area: 169045
Basingstoke_and_Deane http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/basingstoke_and_deane.asp152583
Harrogatehttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/harrogate.asppopulation of council area: 151339
Poolehttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pop2001/poole_ua.asppopulation of council area: 138299
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)
Largest Towns [& Cities] without a Football League Team
http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/FootballTeams/FootballTeamsTable6.htm
Town Population Status1 Dudley 194,919 Town2 Poole 144,800 Town3 Oxford 143,016 City4 Telford 138,241 Town5 York 137,505 City6 Slough 126,276 Town7 Gloucester 123,205 City8 Newport 116,143 City9 Cambridge 113,442 City10 Exeter 106,772 City11 Eastbourne 106,562 Town12 Sutton Coldfield 105,452 Town13 St. Helens 102,629 Town14 Crawley 100,547 Town
The table has been compiled using the 2001 Census publication Key Statistics for urban areas in England and Wales Table KS01 ( released 17 June 2004).
also
Towns with Teams in the Premiership & Football League 2006-7http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/FootballTeams/FootballTeamsTable5.htmranked by population
also:
the largest cities and towns of England ordered by population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_cities_by_population
This is a list of the largest cities and towns of England ordered by population. The populations are 2001 census figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), using the Key Statistics for Urban Areas figures, that attempt to divorce the populations of towns and cities from the Local Authority district(s) that they are contained within
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)
If Hull get promoted to the premiership next week Plymouth will take over the mantle of being the biggest town never to have a team in the top flight. I think that's the case anyway.
― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 10:35 (seventeen years ago)
If Hull get promoted to the Premiership DJ Martian will have been uncannily correct in two predictions on this thread. Presuming we can now say with a straight face that Portsmouth are the premier club south of London, which I suppose we can.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 10:49 (seventeen years ago)
Conversely I wonder if there are any villages punching higher above their weight than Burscough? (Tiny village up the road from me, Conference North, mixing it with the likes of Worcester, Stalybrbridge and Barrow)
― Matt, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 13:28 (seventeen years ago)
-- Matt, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 14:28 (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
Rushed and Diamonds. Irthlingborough has pretty much the same population as Burscough.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 13:33 (seventeen years ago)
ta, I've often wondered
― Matt, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 13:34 (seventeen years ago)
But Rushden is much bigger.
― Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 13:36 (seventeen years ago)
Worcester will be moving to the Blue Square South (Conference South) next season.
Histon in Cambridgeshire play in the Blue Square (Conference) - Histon play in Impington. Both these villages geographically merge together.
Population 4,450 (Histon) 4,090 (Impington) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histon
― djmartian, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 13:41 (seventeen years ago)
largest city / town in wales represented outside the football league - Newport County (Blue Square South) have just appointed Dean Holdsworth as their new manager.
― djmartian, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 13:55 (seventeen years ago)
Lovely Linsey Dawn McKenzie as totty cheerleader?
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 13:58 (seventeen years ago)
Burscough! It has two railway stations too.
I knew an old fella from Burscough - an acquaintance of my schoolmate's refereeing dad. He hadn't seen him for some months so casually asked, "How's your wife, Sid?" "She's dead." "Oh, God, I'm sorry to hear that." "Don't be. Go to more footy matches wi' out 'er."
And that is what I know to be true about Burscough.
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 14:02 (seventeen years ago)
That is pretty Burscough
― Matt, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:03 (seventeen years ago)