What the fuck is that in "I would do anything for love (but I won't do that)" and what wouldn't you do for love

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I've realised Meatloaf Aday is a better poet than Pound and Eliot combined, and yet I'm still pondering the abstract signifcance of that. Does he mean cheat? And why would you cheat for someone's love? Does he mean masturbate into a 70 pound piece of pig leg? Or leave his house wearing only the sunglasses on his face and the glory of his legendary career?
What would I not do for love? Attend a Celine Dion concert.

Queen G of the morning after, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Get pegged, I always assumed

Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Pierced scrotum!

the homunculi that actually have them (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Go to church.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

anal

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Join an ascetic cult in anticipation of the mothership.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

nail his cock to a wooden plank.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Name himself Meatloaf.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Lose weight.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Meatloaf, that is. That's what I figured he was talking about.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

get pegged...

http://www.driver.uk.com/images/opticalillusions/illusion.jpg

by one of these!

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ask what the 'that' is in the very song he is singing now.

Al_Ewing, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"After a while you'll forget everything
It was a brief interlude and a midsummer night's fling
And you'll see that it's time to move on"

Therefore, the meaning of the song is that it's not just a fling, but a long term thing.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

the that = forget about the girl.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Al broke my brain and I'm now caught in a meta-loop!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

so he won't move on?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, it's a sad and complex song, one of the best of all time.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, there's a book called The Philosophy of Mass Art by Noel Carroll in which he defends popular art against the charge that it's too spelled out, unambiguous, unintellectual, etc., by pointing to this song -- the fact that we are left to puzzle about what Meat Loaf won't do is proof that pop art can be challenging!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I won't read that.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

but like, I explained it! Sorry Noel Carroll, all you had to do was read the lyrics :)

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i wouldnt kill for luv.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe acting classes?

Jaromil (Jaromil), Thursday, 12 February 2004 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The things he won't do for love are listed quite clearly in the final verse, for heaven's sake.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 12 February 2004 06:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Pfft that involves actually not turning the radio off before the end of the song, come on man!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2004 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, he says he won't be fooling around or leaving the woman he loves - he'll do anything for love but be unfaithful tp his lady. It's deeply touching to anyone with half a heart. If I were as drunk as you are now, Trayce, I would be moved to tears by such a sweet sentiment. Maybe I'm an old sap. But I believe in such old-fashioned things, not like you new fangled youngsters of today.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 12 February 2004 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember an interview with meatloaf where he spelled it out.

To whit, the lyrics and that indicated.

"And I would do anything for love,
I'd run right into hell and back
I would do anything for love,
I'll never lie to you and that's a fact

But I'll never forget the way you feel right now,
Oh no, no way
And I would do anything for love, but I won't do that,
I won't do that
Anything for love, oh I would do anything for love
I would do anything for love, but I won't do that,
Oh I won't do that "


Hope that was a help. The previous bit about midsummer nights fling is obviously valid, but not mentioned.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 February 2004 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

*sigh* i have been lied to so many times. where can I find this, the guy who will not lie!????!!!!

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm married already...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 February 2004 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

er, thanks. thanks a lot.

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

no prob.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 February 2004 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

and where are the rest of them, eh? have you shipped them to a secret island?

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Cliff Richard apparently is "not like that at all"...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ew.

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i love meatloaf (see ebay thread)

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

OK Mr Smartipants Grout, what do you make of this part of the song?
*Clears throat begins to sing*:

**************************************

(the chick sings):
After a while you'll forget everything
It was a brief interlude and a midsummer night's fling
And you'll see that it's time to move on

(the 'Loaf sings):
I won't do that! No I won't do that!

(the chick sings):
I know the territory, I've been around
It'll all turn to dust and we'll all fall down
And sooner or later, you'll be screwing around

I won't do that! No I won't do that!

*******************************************

HA! I think I'm owed an apology. And you stay true to your woman mister.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

the chick is otm

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

meatloaf is great i heard he recently had a stroke i hope he recovers

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

chaki! why are you awake too! ;-)

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes Orbit, now I've seen the lyrics on the page, it's pretty obvious he's bullshitting.

He's had a stroke? That's very sad, I'm sorry.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

nah Colin, I'm just world weary...

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(and, like Chaki, awake in Los Angeles at 2:30am)

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I'd do anything for I Love Music, but I wouldn't do that.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 12 February 2004 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

''I've realised Meatloaf Aday is a better poet than Pound''

are you sure abt that?

Ezra Pound's Canto LXXXI

Zeus lies in Ceres' bosom
Taishan is attended of loves
under Cythera, before sunrise
and he said: "Hay aquí mucho
catolicismo--(sounded catolithismo)
y muy poco reliHión"
and he said: "Yo creo que los reyes desaparecen"
(Kings will, I think, disappear)
That was Padre José Elizondo
in 1906 and 1917
or about 1917
and Dolores said "Come pan, niño," "eat bread, me
lad"
Sargent had painted her
before he descended
(i.e., if he descended)
but in those days he did thumb sketches,
impressions of the Velásquez in the Museo del Prado
and books cost a peseta,
brass candlesticks in proportion,
hot wind came from the marshes
and death-chill from the mountains.
And later Bowers wrote: "but such hatred,
I had never conceived such"
and the London reds wouldn't show up his friends
(i.e., friends of Franco
working in London) and in Alcázar
forty years gone, they said: "Go back to the station to eat,
you can sleep here for a peseta"
goat bells tinkled all night
and the hostess grinned: "Eso es luto, haw!
mi marido es muerto"
(it is mourning, my husband is dead)
when she gave me paper of the locanda to write on
with a black border half an inch or more deep, say 5/8ths,
"We call all foreigners frenchies"
and the egg broke in Cabranez' pocket,
thus making history. Basil says
they beat drums for three days
till all the drumheads were busted
(simple village fiesta)
and as for his life in the Canaries. . .
Possum observed that the local portagoose folk dance
was danced by the same dancers in divers localities
in political welcome . . .
the technique of demonstration
Cole studied that (not G.D.H., Horace)
"You will find" said old André Spire,
"that every man on that board (Crédit Agricole)
has a brother-in-law."
"You the one, I the few"
said John Adams
speaking of fears in the abstract
to his volatile friend Mr. Jefferson,
(to break the pentameter, that was the first heave)
or as Jo Bard says: "They never speak to each other,
if it is baker and concierge visibly
it is La Rochefoucauld and de Maintenon audibly."
"Te caveró le budella"
"La corata a te"
In less than a geological epoch
said Henry Mencken
"Some cook, some do not cook,
some things cannot be altered"

What counts is the cultural level,
thank Benin for this table ex packing box
"doan yu tell no one I made it"
from a mask as fine as any in Frankfurt
"It'll get you offn th' groun"
Light as the branch of Kuanon
And at first disappointed with shoddy
the bare ramshackle quais, but then saw the
high buggy wheels
and was reconciled,
George Santayana arriving in the port of Boston
and kept to the end of his life that faint thethear
of the Spaniard
as a grace quasi imperceptible,
as did Muss the v for u of Romagna,
and said the grief was a full act
repeated for each new condoleress
working up to a climax.
And George Horace said he wd/ "get Beveridge" (Senator)
Beveridge wouldn't talk and he wouldn't write for the papers
but George got him by campin' in his hotel
and assailin' him at lunch breakfast an' dinner
three articles
and my ole man went on hoein' corn
while George was a-tellin' him,
come across a vacant lot
where you'd occasionally see a wild rabbit
or mebbe only a loose one
AOI!
a leaf in the current
at my grates no Althea

LIBRETTO

Yet
Ere the season died a-cold
Borne upon a zephyr's shoulder
I rose through the aureate sky
Lawes and Jenkins guard thy rest
Dolmetsch ever be thy guest,
Has he tempered the viol's wood
To enforce both the grave and the acute?
Has he curved us the bowl of the lute?
Lawes and Jenkins guard thy rest
Dolmetsch ever be thy guest,
Hast 'ou fashioned so airy a mood
To draw up leaf from the root?
Hast 'ou found a cloud so light
As seemed neither mist nor shade?

Then resolve me, tell me aright
If Waller sang or Dowland played.

Your eyen two wol sleye me sodenly
I may the beauté of hem nat susteyene

And for 180 years almost nothing.

Ed ascoltando il leggier mormorio
there came new subtlety of eyes into my tent,
whether of spirit or hypostasis,
but what the blindfold hides
or at carneval
nor any pair showed anger
Saw but the eyes and stance between the eyes,
colour, diastasis,
careless or unaware it had not the
whole tent's room
nor was place for the full
interpass, penetrate
casting but shade beyond the other lights
sky's clear
night's sea
green of the mountain pool
shone from the unmasked eyes in half-mask's space.
What thou lovest well remains,
the rest is dross
What thou lov'st well shall not be reft from thee
What thou lov'st well is thy true heritage
Whose world, or mine or theirs
or is it of none?
First came the seen, then thus the palpable
Elysium, though it were in the halls of hell,
What thou lovest well is thy true heritage
What thou lov'st well shall not be reft from thee

The ant's a centaur in his dragon world.
Pull down thy vanity, it is not man
Made courage, or made order, or made grace,
Pull down thy vanity, I say pull down.
Learn of the green world what can be thy place
In scaled invention or true artistry,
Pull down thy vanity,
Paquin pull down!
The green casque has outdone your elegance.

"Master thyself, then others shall thee beare"
Pull down thy vanity
Thou art a beaten dog beneath the hail,
A swollen magpie in a fitful sun,
Half black half white
Nor knowst'ou wing from tail
Pull down thy vanity
How mean thy hates
Fostered in falsity,
Pull down thy vanity,
Rathe to destroy, niggard in charity,
Pull down thy vanity,
I say pull down.

But to have done instead of not doing
This is not vanity
To have, with decency, knocked
That a Blunt should open
To have gathered from the air a live tradition
or from a fine old eye the unconquered flame
this is not vanity.
Here error is all in the not done,
all in the diffidence that faltered . . .

;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

dear music mole
1) Just reporting what meat said
2) I did say about a previous entry (ref:jel) being it too..

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 February 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Aha. My apologies, dear sir.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 12 February 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)


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