nice guys finish last

Nice guys don't have to be modest, too, do they?

Oh, god, I'm sorry. I'm very, very lonely.

Ned, exactly the same thing happened to me in 1991. I assume with a different bird though. I am not a particularly nice guy, but often appear to finish last.

The trick is to be a velvet fist in an iron glove, or is that an iron fist in a velvet glove? I've never quite mastered it myself.

http://www.officialdougfieger.com/knack1.jpg

So, hey, is the "Nice guys finish last" narrative basically shut-in aspie social retards bitching that just because they occasionally hold a conversation with a woman without raping/beating her into a coma, the woman is thus obligated to fuck them? Is there anything else to this belief?

Nah I think that just about covers it. Also not understanding why pretending to like Sex in the City and kittens doesn't get them laid.

The single most projected comment ever made on ILE (xpost)

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00405/trinians_682x400_405423a.jpg

DON'T MESS

Nah I think that just about covers it. Also not understanding why pretending to like Sex in the City and kittens doesn't get them laid.

-- Noodle Vague, Friday, 13 June 2008 12:38 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Bad news for Southall.

i like kittens. i get laid.

this is how we'll remember the golden days.

This 'nice'...tends to be an exercise in self-definition no?

More like self-manipulation lol amirite?

This 'nice'...tends to be an exercise in self-definition no?

-- Tracksuit Party, Friday, 13 June 2008 12:42 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

But what actually defines a "nice guy"? Because to guys who describe themselves as such, it tends to be poor self-care, self-loathing, and 20 hours a week racked up playing Portal.

nice

But what actually defines a "nice guy"?

lack of pussy?

I think this is what it comes down to. It's just another very sinister subset of modern day youth culture, that doesn't get called out enough. Maybe because dudes are worried that if they do call it out, IT will zap their connection at work.

Plenty nice guys do quite well for themselves. But that isn't very reassuring for the ones that don't, nor does it back up their theory. I think this is a special redundant definition of "nice" which is basically made up of being the sort of guy that finishes last.

I fucking hate S&TC. Kittens rock. I get laid plenty.

i know plenty of guys who would be considered "nice" who don't get laid. but it's not their "niceness" that's the problem it's lack of confidence and reluctance to (OMG) reveal to girls (directly or indirectly) that they want to fuck them.

"Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you from doing all the things in life you'd like to"

I blame Morrissey.

And here I thought the moral of that song was 'if you don't ask, you don't get'...

nice rich guys that are good looking don't always finish last. or is that the elephant in the room?

everyone forgetting the 'uglyness' factor

Ugly gyts don't get laid less than attractive guys, I believe. They just sleep with uglier women.

*guys

gyts lol

"i believe" lol

meta snark

Someone's hankering for a tombottering

chrissakes ppl be yrselves and let it sort itself out, although dom has a point in that lack of sexual achievement should never be attributed to a pleasant demeanour but to hesitancy, immaturity or plain weirdness

^realest of talk

Shyness is possibly the only defining trait of males that was as useless to women pre-feminism as it is post.

and membership of mogwai fanclub

cloistered private school education does not help either

no, they'll write you off as "too nice."

That's sick, that's obscene.

also people who would describe themselves as "nice guys" (using the loaded definition of "nice") are probably the biggest assholes out there. selfishness, egotism, etc., but wrapped up in martyr's clothing.

I don't this kind of "nice" guy is really what we're talking about here, but I'm definitely familiar with the type. After all, the more uncomfortable someone is with knowing that they're kind of an asshole, the less they're willing to admit it. Especially if the asshole tendencies tend to be camouflaged until the person is feeling too insecure/under stress, and then suddenly you get the "cornered stoat" effect instead of a more reasonable response.

if they're blind, i guess being ugly is out though. like that one flick with cher and dirk kuyt.

so if someone expresses interest in you, she must do it to everyone? that comes across as saying either you don't think well of yourself, or any girl who does that is a slut.

-- Maria, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:33 (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Obviously it's all down to circumstance, and how it's done. Often girls (like many guys) can come off as intimidating and mildly psychotic if they come on too strong. i think this is something a lot of people don't appreciate when out on the pull. Less can often be more, so long as you, y'know take some interest in them and don't get right up in their faces and yap out a million stupid questions at them or w/e.

Often girls (like many guys) can come off as intimidating and mildly psychotic if they come on too strong.

and often they don't.

this just in: extrapolating based on your own experiences doesn't convince anyone that you've discovered a universal truth

try telling that to new parents

i don't know where all this mildly psychotic stuff is coming from? can someone please explain?

Overflow from: Let's anticipate Lil Wayne, "The Carter III"

i don't know where all this mildly psychotic stuff is coming from? can someone please explain?

-- bell_labs, Friday, June 13, 2008 11:28 AM (Friday, June 13, 2008 11:28 AM) Bookmark Link

you people are all insane.

-- chicago kevin, Friday, June 13, 2008 10:27 AM (Friday, June 13, 2008 10:27 AM) Bookmark Link

that's going to be my default response to everything on this thread so i guess i should stop reading it.

wtf this thread

I thought the 'nice guys finish last' referred to men in the world of work and business, not relationships.

btw for some reason when I hear this phrase I picture Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters as said 'nice guy.'

that's when the first place asshole says it as he brushes past Our Hero in his bespoke suit

when self-appointed "nice guys" say it it's in regards to their inability to get laid

when Tuomas says it he means that it is generally unacceptable to be a two-minute man in the sack

I srsly thought this was solely about business and jobs!

dude Louis boinked Janine in the sequel, that dude came out way ahead

Like something like Nice Guys Finish Last: The Importance of Trampling on People's Toes on Your Way to the Top, a Managerial Guide.

<3 Rick Moranis.

He's kind of like the ideal man (Louis, or his character in Little Shop of Horrors).

janine >>>>> dana

Louis Tully vs Louis Jagger

Tully (sorry LJ)

well what are we going by here, niceness, business acumen, or internet personality

one of my friends is in a meh punk band called Louis Tully

I dunno what it is with me and that skanky jersey accent shit
everytime I watch Ghostbusters or My Cousin Vinnie this little light goes on in the upper right of my peripheral vision, like "LAUGHTER" or "APPLAUSE" at a TV taping except instead it just says "BLAP"

haha otm

I dunno what it is with me and that skanky jersey accent shit
everytime I watch Ghostbusters or My Cousin Vinnie this little light goes on in the upper right of my peripheral vision, like "LAUGHTER" or "APPLAUSE" at a TV taping except instead it just says "BLAP"

-- El Tomboto, Friday, June 13, 2008 5:22 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

t(om)-bomb

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826614.100-bad-guys-really-do-get-the-most-girls.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news4_head_mg19826614.100

NICE guys knew it, now two studies have confirmed it: bad boys get the most girls. The finding may help explain why a nasty suite of antisocial personality traits known as the "dark triad" persists in the human population, despite their potentially grave cultural costs.

The traits are the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking and callous behaviour of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. At their extreme, these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies. People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators.

But being just slightly evil could have an upside: a prolific sex life, says Peter Jonason at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces. "We have some evidence that the three traits are really the same thing and may represent a successful evolutionary strategy."

Jonason and his colleagues subjected 200 college students to personality tests designed to rank them for each of the dark triad traits. They also asked about their attitudes to sexual relationships and about their sex lives, including how many partners they'd had and whether they were seeking brief affairs.
“High 'dark triad' scorers are more likely to try to poach other people's partners for a brief affair”

The study found that those who scored higher on the dark triad personality traits tended to have more partners and more desire for short-term relationships, Jonason reported at the Human Behavior and Evolution Society meeting in Kyoto, Japan, earlier this month. But the correlation only held in males.

James Bond epitomises this set of traits, Jonason says. "He's clearly disagreeable, very extroverted and likes trying new things - killing people, new women." Just as Bond seduces woman after woman, people with dark triad traits may be more successful with a quantity-style or shotgun approach to reproduction, even if they don't stick around for parenting. "The strategy seems to have worked. We still have these traits," Jonason says.

This observation seems to hold across cultures. David Schmitt of Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois, presented preliminary results at the same meeting from a survey of more than 35,000 people in 57 countries. He found a similar link between the dark triad and reproductive success in men. "It is universal across cultures for high dark triad scorers to be more active in short-term mating," Schmitt says. "They are more likely to try and poach other people's partners for a brief affair."

Barbara Oakley of Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan, says that the studies "verify something a lot of people have conjectured about".

Christopher von Rueden of the University of California at Santa Barbara says that the studies are important because they confirm that personality variation has direct fitness consequences.

"They still have to explain why it hasn't spread to everyone," says Matthew Keller of the University of Colorado in Boulder. "There must be some cost of the traits." One possibility, both Keller and Jonason suggest, is that the strategy is most successful when dark triad personalities are rare. Otherwise, others would become more wary and guarded.

One possibility, both Keller and Jonason suggest, is that the strategy is most successful when dark triad personalities are rare. Otherwise, others would become more wary and guarded.

more like otherwise they all just kill each other and wipe out the whole neighborhood in the space of a couple of generations

summary: some men are assholes, but the real problem is women like 'em that way, so women are to blame for the decline of civilization.

number one challop till the end of time

somebody make us a "challenging opinion" olympic gold medal .gif (spinning around in 3d would be optimum) for Spiralli here

proving that Eve was to blame for the fall is an enduring academic discipline.

http://www.animationbuddy.com/Animation/Sports/Awards_and_Trophies/Apple_with_medal.gif

how the fuck was eve NOT to blame for the fall?? unless you get all meta about it. does god approve of meta? i think the baptists at least would tell us he does not.

does god approve of meta?

apparently not

Like Eve forced the apple down Adam's throat or something.

like Eve HAPPENED

i was trying to use the fall as a metaphor but it went over the head of the Where's Waldo? crowd, aka Deeznuts.

i havent been to sunday school in awhile but she caved to satans whims & adam caved to hers, no? satan was a fallen angel therfore genderless - eve was his target because females are more likely to give in to assholes! there cant be any male/female gender relationship analysis there. as spiralli says the central lesson of genesis is that chicks dig dicks & guys should watch their broads.

xp WHAT??

i feel like there's a wall between you two

DG, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the ILX and the LBZC, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! DG, open this gate! DG, tear down this wall!

http://europa.eu/abc/12lessons/images/content_berlin_wall.jpg

Okay, so much for THIS thread! Things that are bad for my blood pressure: A List.

i hear 'i love style' is "taking off like a fucking F1"

#1 MEN
#2 COMMIES
#3 FREEDOM

#1 Stupidity
#2 Organized religion
#3 #1 + #2