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what did crash holly of wwe wrestling die of

― robert moore, Friday, 13 February 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Deliberate overdose of (either pain killers or sleeping tablets), combined with a bottle of Southern Comfort. Believed to be traumatised due to his wife leaving him.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Junkyard Dog?

― andy, Friday, 13 February 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I was a wrestler.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Junkyard Dog crashed his car into a tree on the way home from his daughter's graduation.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

COME ON! TRY ME!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

None of em are dead...they faked the whole thing.

regards,

REB

― Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The IWC joke is usually "It's a work, I've just seen them at a house show". But thanks for playing.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

those are easy -

Leapin' Lanny Poffo? (is he dead?)

Adrian Adonis?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Leaping Lanny's still alive. Everyone forgets that he's Randy Savage's brother.

Adrian Adonis was in a car that went off a cliff some point in the late 80s.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright, Dom, if that's how it's gonna be...

Jimmy The Superfly Snukka! Now!

― andy, Friday, 13 February 2004 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)

He's still alive. And working the indies. Mainly as a kinda "comissioner" role. His son's wrestling as well now, using the ingeneous name of Jimmy Snuka Jnr.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, wiseguy - fact or fiction - Brutus Beefcake is Hulk Hogan's real life brother?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

False. Brutus Beefcake, aka "The Booty Man" or "The Disciple"'s real name is Ed Leslie. Hulk Hogan's is, of course, Terry Bollea. They were really really close friends, though, explaining how Leslie managed to be booked as a near-main eventer up until 1998, despite being virtually immobile in the ring since about 1991.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Sir, I am in awe.

I'll be back, I have more questions...

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Kendall and Barry - real life sons of Black Jack Mulligan?

What ever happened to JJ Dillon?

Ole and Arn - real brothers?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever happened to...

Marty Jannetty?
Tito Santana?
Jim Neidhart?
Dustin (Dusty's son - but you knew that - I was just trying to establish that it wasn't a typo) Rhodes?

Sorry to overwhelm but you've got me all excited....

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Were there really two Ultimate Warriors?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, going backwards:

There was only one Ultimate Warrior, James Hellwig, who has changed his name by deed poll to The Warrior (he's insane). The reason people think that there were two Warriors was because between his first two WWF stints he lost muscle mass and gained about sixty pounds of fat.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Jannetty and Neidhart are both working the independants, mainly the school gym circuit. Jannetty in particular is broken down, his days of hard-partying have really caught up with him. Santanta... last I knew he was working backstage at WWE with the Latino markets. Could still be doing that for all I know. After WWE let Goldust go in December, Dustin went back to the Dustin Rhodes gimmick, and is now headlining on the indies. Expect him to sign for NWA:TNA very soon, if he hasn't already.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

No, hardly any of the wrestlers doing the "Anderson" family gimmick are actually Andersons. Gene was, and possibly one of the 70s Andersons, but everyone since, including Ole, Arn, and CW, have not been legitimate Andersons or related.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

This is my favorite thread ever. No smirking here, dude, I am seriously impressed. Wifey just asked what I was snickering about. That Anderson thing - thats insane!! Next you'll tell me the Von Erichs weren't related either!!

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The Von Erichs were all related, but Von Erich wasn't their real surname. The only one that's still alive is the only one that didn't go into wrestling, as well.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

this is all really sad dom : (

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got more 'whatever happened to's if you have the patience, but I totally understand if you wanna take five. You got nuthin to prove to me, Dom

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Hah, it's three AM here Rog. I'll respond until I fall asleep.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The tragic young deaths of the Von Erichs, Cozen, or my knowledge of pro-wrestling?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

haha no, all the stories of wrestlers i recognise seem to end in tragedy. it is genuinely sad.

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Where the hell is...

Dino Bravo?
Al Perez?
"Freebird" Michael Hayes?
Sam Houston?

What about the Windham / Mulligan connection?

Didn't I hear Lex Luger recently ran into some trouble with the law?

Bear in mind I haven't really kept up with 'modern' wrestling - I had no idea Goldust was still wrestling as late as December fer chrissakes?!?!?! So excuse my ignorance if any of these folks I'm asking about are still high profile (but I doubt they are)

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Dino Bravo was shot dead by something like 30 bullets in the early 90s. Police strongly suspected a link to organized crime, but nothing ever came of investigations (the rumour was that he was heavily involved in cigarette trafficking).

Al Perez.... oooh, good one. I'm assuming retired, although he may still have ties to the WWC over in Puerto Rico.

Michael Hayes works backstage at WWE, and was an onscreen performer about four years back, as the Hardy Boyz' manager.

Sam Houston's still with us. Not wrestling, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing tradefairs in the South. Also: he was Jake Roberts brother (and Rockin Robin was their sister).

Lex Luger was arrested by the police on charges of possesion of a controlled substance in the aftermath of Miss Elizabeth's OD. A lot of people put two and two together, and it was reported that he was charged with her murder. However, he wasn't, and charges of possesion never came to trial.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

dino bravo wtf! he ws the guy who had a figure four leg lock kinda finishing move right? semi-rivalry w. the hitman? used to wear one of those shin-guard leg-lock reverser thingies? had a blue and white 'costume' (i.e. pants?) 30 bullets? r.i.p.

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, "The Canadian Strongman" he was billed as.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow. I need a little while to take this in.

Sam Houston's claim to fame was his longstanding feud with Danny Davis, right?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Ricky Steamboat? and Rick Rude?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Rick Rude died a few years ago

Ricky Steamboat retired

― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

WHY DO SO MANY WRESTLERS DIE YOUNG??

Dom?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

also, Curt "Mr Perfect" Hennig died within the last coupla years, too

― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

>>WHY DO SO MANY WRESTLERS DIE YOUNG??<<

Roids, narcotics, and suicide are the biggies. Also, there's the occasional "bad things" (eg being abducted while wrestling for AAA, being stabbed in Puerto Rico, crossing the japanese mafia, etc).

There was some talk about Steamboat coming back to wrestle against Flair, but that's pretty much not happening.

-Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Friday, 13 February 2004 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Jim Neidhart is bafflingly in better physical health than the entire rest of the mid-90s Hart Foundation who are now all either dead or in Bret's case forced into retirement by strokes and lug-induced neck injuries.

― ferg (Ferg), Friday, 13 February 2004 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe that Martin hasn't mentuioned Mal "king kong" Kirk yet

― chris (chris), Friday, 13 February 2004 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Did Owen Hart really die then?

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 February 2004 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan's right about the reasons for young deaths. Basically, you're dealing with a business that gives young men a lot of money, a lot of free time, and a lot of pain. They usually hit the painkillers pretty heavily, and then they just expand from there.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

This is in turns the most worrying and also most magnificent ILE thread ever.

What happened to The British Bulldogs? And Winston? And what's the macho man dead? And what's this about Miss Elizabeth dead? is the Sensational Sherri still going strong? And why was she called senasational when wasn't that sensational really? And why are wrestlers related? is it some pikey sect thing?

Wrestling peaked at Wrestlemania 6; after the warrior unified the Intercontinental and world heavyweight WWF belts, it was all downhill from there.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

British Bulldogs- Davey Boy Smith died aged 39 of complications emerging from an enlarged heart (triggered by years of steroid abuse) in 2002. Dynamite Kid is now a bed-ridden cripple. His autobiography, Pure Dynamite, is alternatively seen as the most honest book on wrestling ever, or the ramblings of a bitter, nasty, bully.

Sensational Sherri is still alive, going, and does the "young vs old" woman gimmick on some of the old-time indies,

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Brutus The Barber Beefcake!

― Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Macho Man is still up & running, tho pretty much retired. last year, he released a "rap" album that called out Hulk Hogan, among other things.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg000/g076/g07621aap9e.jpg

Pitchfork had a hilarious review of his single:

...What fascinates me about "Be a Man" is how thoroughly it encapsulates nearly every misconception about hip-hop culture. Since, from the sound of it, Savage has most likely never heard any rap that didn't start with "Kid" or end with "Rock", his asinine assumption that the genre is only a vehicle for negativity seems almost as ridiculous as the fact that this even got released.

― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I bet Savage cried himself to sleep that night

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 13 February 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

perhaps when he saw his sales figures, he did.

― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I have some more:

The Killer Bees?
Tom Zenc?
Slick?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

is Bobo Brazil still alive?!

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 13 February 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 28 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Actually, before we start talking about Scott Keith's writing style, shall we just point out that Scott Keith:wrestling::Pitchfork Media:music?

Martin and Ferg are both right vis a vis blading. But, also of note, the patch of skin just above the nose on the forehead is actually very weak (go ahead, rub it). A good dragged down knuckles punch is usually enough to get it open, especially if you've previously opened it up with a razor, either in a previous match, or just before the match you're in.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 15 February 2004 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The only book on American wrestling I've read was called Whatever Happened To Gorgeous George? and was by the son of an old circuit pro. It was pretty interesting, but nothing of special intellectual or aesthetic value. I've read two on the old British wrestling, Jackie Pallo's notorious autobiography (he said that never in his entire career did he enter the ring without knowing who would win with what move in what round, and blew open the code of secrecy) and the magnificent The Wrestling (can't remember the author, someone check Amazon) which was particularly great on my old favourite Les Kellett, one of the five greatest physical comedians I've ever seen and a psychopath. I'd unreservedly recommend this book to anyone who has memories of the old ITV wrestling shows.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 15 February 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Powerslam have often referenced The Wrestling in articles, is it really as good as everyone says? Kellett was a proper hero, definitely, one of the few guys on the old Crabtree circuit who could have earned their keep in the States.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 15 February 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Written by the same feller that did The Nation's Favourite, which was a very good book about Radio 1. Think it was anyway... Simon something.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 15 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's where I freely admit to growing up watching all these guys wrestle on Saturday morning. I had NO IDEA so many of them were dead. It creeps me out. What was the name of that movie that was released a while back where one guy investigated behind-the-scenes of washed out wrestlers' lives?? Jake the Snake's daughter went off on what a sorry bastard of a father he was. It was such a depressing movie. Carry on -- this thread is nutty!

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Sunday, 15 February 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Beyond the Mat, with Jake's crazy-ass daughter, and Little Spike Dudley discussing Shakespearean sonnets whilst soaked in blood.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 15 February 2004 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, I've met Jake... he does some work in the UK now with really tiny start-up feds. A lot of them will spend their entire profits from a show in bringing in either a) a washed-up name (see also: Earthquake), or b) a guy with a lot of indie cred (American Dragon, CW Anderson) who hasn't made a name for himself fully yet in for their next show. Jake does that now, he's wrestled in the midlands/Anglia area for BRAWL amongst others... he's just a hollow shell of a man.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 15 February 2004 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

What happened to the Canadian Mountie? His schock stick scared the hell out of me as a youngun.

― Leee Majors (Leee), Sunday, 15 February 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The Canadian Mountie was one of the Rougeau brothers as discussed upthread.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 15 February 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember the Canadian earthquake? When he first appeared I was amazed - it was proof it wasn't false. But then I did believe the crapola in the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail...

BTW - What was so mean about Gene Okerlund?

― Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 15 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"Well, let me tell ya something, Mean Gene..."

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe there was once a time when Gene didn't let someone tell them something, and kicked their ass, leading to him becoming mean, and people asking politely before trash talking about next week's opponent in WWF Superstars / Cavalcade.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

TAKING SIDES:

"MEAN" GENE OKERLUND
http://www.losrudos.com/agene1.jpg

"THE FINK" HOWARD FINKEL
http://www.gerweck.net/howardfinkel.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Finkel looks like David Cross at 60

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Finkel was tarred & feathered a few years ago on Raw...

― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

We so need an I Love Wrestling. I wanna know if the PWI 500 would provoke as much whining as the P&J poll.

("The following voters all placed The Amazing Red on their ballot paper without voting for any other members of the SAT")

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahahaha! "When you say 'Toshiaki Kawada is the token puroresu representative...'"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking hell - he's a mean mutha fucker. That's scared me. He looks hard in the picture, whereas on WWF Superstars, he always reminded me of a muppet made flesh.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The Wrestling is indeed as good as they say. Le;;et might have been rather small and old to have made it in the US - this was an era where Pat Roach passed for a gigantic muscleman, and he was 16 stone, the sixe of a Matt Hardy.

SPOLER AL:ERT if you haven't watched No Way Out and are going to:

Eddie Gyurrero not just a contender, Dom! He's the new WWE champ!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Latino Heat burns up the WWE!

I've got a lot of time for Eddie. Especially considering some of the, quite frankly, racist gimmicks he's been forced to portray. Shame that Art Barr isn't still with us really.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Dom, a couple of questions for you, if you don't mind:

Has Stone Cold vanished, or is he just having a break?

I noticed the return of the appallingly named Grandmaster Sexay recently. Two questions: can you remind me what lost him his slot in the first place - was it something to do with carrying drugs into/from Canada? And also, Jerry Lawler said "Hey, I know who that is!" when he returned - am I right in thinking Lawler is his dad?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Stone Cold came to an agreement with the WWE to not renew his contract. Now, while it's almost inevitable that he'll be back when they need instant star power (over/under on about 14 months), a couple of enterprising Japanese promoters have realised that WWE never did Goldberg/Austin, and that Goldberg loves working in Japan... well, you can work the rest out. If they do that in conjunction with NWA:TNA, they could enter the big leagues overnight.

Brian "Grandmaster Sexay" Christopher was fired after being discovered with cannabis crossing the Canadian border. Apparently it wasn't his and he was covering for a friend, but he still got junked. His dad is Jerry Lawler, he doesn't use the name to prevent any David Flair/Scott Puttski style situations.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I can see that - I remember David Sammartino too, and Dustin Rhodes.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What about DOOM?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I might pretend to like wrestling again now that BC is back.

― |OBEY|EYE|BO| (deangulberry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be honest, I'm not totally sure what Butch Reed is doing nowadays. He's still alive, I know that, I'd imagine retired. Ron Simmons is a WWE road agent now.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

But Dean, you used to be an expert!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

It seems a shame to lose Ron Simmons - obviously he was getting on, but he had a strong image and carried it off well, so I'd have been inclined to turn him into something more, onscreen.

BC?

Is anyone else as bothered as me by the new wrestler on Raw, allegedly the general manager's nephew, managed by Stephen Regal? Can't remember what they are calling him, but it's all offence so far as far as I'm concerned, and he's not started wrestling yet.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

>>Has Stone Cold vanished, or is he just having a break?<<

Dom is right. No more contract in the WWE for Austin. Word is he may work a HUSTLE show for PRIDE (the worked part of the Dreamstage empire) with Goldberg in April. Goldberg already signed with them.

Additionally with Goldberg, he's trained for MMA for years, and its likely that he will attempt to fight in PRIDE. Oh, how Takayama/Goldberg the shoot would be...

For Brian Lawler, in his defense, he's a BILLION times more talented than any of the aformentioned sons of wrestlers. And hey, it never hurt Randy Orton.

>>Simmons is totally out of the WWE now, basically because he likes the white powder. I hear the same may be true for Reed.
Is anyone else as bothered as me by the new wrestler on Raw, allegedly the general manager's nephew, managed by Stephen Regal? Can't remember what they are calling him, but it's all offence so far as far as I'm concerned, and he's not started wrestling yet.<<

The Eugene character is gonna be a rainman kinda thing...he's retarded but hell, he can wrestle. Or something. The guy who's doing it (Nick Dinsmore) is GOOD, so maybe he has a chance of pulling it off. Who knows.

-
Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Thursday, 22 April 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Whether he can wrestle or not, I find the way this is played really objectionable.

I can't tell if you think that Grandmaster Sexay is a better wrestler than Randy Orton - I couldn't agree with that at all.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 April 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem is comparing them, because Christopher has never been given the mega-push that Orton has. Neither of them will ever draw as headliners, though, and that's a basic fact.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Orton is a bit wooden, so I agree with you there. But GS got a fair amount of play as a tag wrestler with Scotty before the drug thing, and he never looked like earning anything more. Orton looks a pretty convincing wrestler in big matches, even if he is a bit dull.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

You forget the spring of 2000, though. Grandmaster Sexay (and Scotty II Hotty) were headlining with that Radicals vs WWF ish. He did pretty well in that as well.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

BC is alright.. in a USWA kinda way. If you watch any of their old tv shows.. damn that kid was the shawn michaels of memphis. now i just respect him for his dancery, and thats about it.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, how young we all were then...

(xpost)

― Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I wasn't comparing Randy to Brian. I was comparing Brian to every other aformentioned wrestler (especially Flair, Sammartino, and Gagne's kids). Randy is a good midcard wrestler, and the Foley match helped him out a lot in getting over.

― Alan Conceicao, Thursday, 22 April 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Eric Watts!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 April 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I thought that might be what you meant, Alan, and I wouldn't argue. I was never at all persuaded by David Flair, was it also David Sammartino, Greg Gagne and so on. And if you detached Randy Orton from Evolution, he wouldn't get near a main event on his own. I think Evolution needs rethinking anyway - Batistuta had nothing at all to do in the latest PPV, Flair is embarrassingly past it (though I still sort of enjoy watching him, especially the bit where he sways then falls flat on his face, or when he somersaults into a posting then out of the ring), and Orton only just cuts it as a second banana for Triple H. I'd just as soon they broke it up and gave the Game plenty of play on his own, as I think he absolutely belongs in main events and their biggest plotlines (I've always thought he was their strongest and most compelling dramatic actor).

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 April 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

is embarrassingly past it (though I still sort of enjoy watching him, especially the bit where he sways then falls flat on his face, or when he somersaults into a posting then out of the ring)

AKA the "Flair Flop" and "Flair Flip", respectively. I'm getting tired of waiting for Randy "Legend Killer" Orton to start throwing his weight around during HHH's inevitable movie-star hiatus and realize "oh wait, Flair's a legend. [BLAMO chairshot]" therefore retooling Evolution as an evil-young-folx stable.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 23 April 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

If they actually had a segment where somebody called Flair a legend, causing realisation to dawn on RO's face and strike Flair with a chair, that would be great.

Or if he realised that by killing so many legends he'd become a legend himself and RKO'd himself HAHA etc.

Though of course he's already RKO'd himself a few times - cos he keeps FUCKING IT UP HAHA etc.

(The Foley-Orton thing with the barbed wire and the thumb tacks and the bleeding and the falling off things was pretty impressive. Randy's tack-riddled back and elbows were cringe-inducing).

I remember Erik Watts vaguely, he was rubbish. They had one of those 'ooh didn't he almost do well' matches against Rick Rude, who eventually won by kicking him in the crotch.

Flair's still pretty good ennit?

― ferg (Ferg), Friday, 23 April 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. Though I think by the time he's 80 he'll have deteriorated to the level of, say, Edge.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it's gunna be interesting to see what happens when Ric's son Reid starts getting involved in things.

― Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sandman's son (whose name I've forgotten) to thread!

Was it Tyler?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...

Ray "The Big Bossman" Traylor passed away at his home just last month. he was only 42.

http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/The_Big_Bossman.jpg

http://www.toysandmusic.com/hasbro/loose/bigbossman2.jpg

http://www.ddtdigest.com/updates/pictures/2000112b001.jpg

i believe this pic truly captures his glory.

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 21 October 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

This is hands down the most awe inspiring thread on the whole of ILE.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

what's happened to tatanka? and doink??

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

last i heard(a few years ago), tatanka was out working the indies with that same gimmick.

same for doink, altho, there are/were several fake doinks on the indie circuit. all you need is the makeup & the costume are there you go.

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Fans of this thread are more than welcome to come to http://ilx.p3r.net/newanswers.php?board=97 where the Big Boss Man death was broken about six hours after it happened, and where we're currently discussing how great New Jack is and rubbish Gene Snitsky is. or possibly the other way round.

― Chairman ROFLMAO (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

so what happened to the midjet who was splashed by king kong bundy in the triple + 1 match up against Hillbilly Jim

― Queen Gjabooti, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

same thing that happens to every other midget wrestling. he was re-frozen & put back into deep storage.

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

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