Enrique's Vinyl Justice

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I live near students. Quite often they play loud music; but we have a kind of 'balance of noise' going on, and so there's only been a few occasions when i've had to tell them to pipe the fuck down. The main problem is their awful taste.

Anyhoo, 4am Saturday morning I hear bad things: post-club party noize. Fortunately I am tired enough to sleep through. But at 6.40am, the hippy trance is still going, and this time I don't get back to sleep.

So 20 minutes later, unarmed, without backup, I enter the students lair, and tell the DJ that he is turning the music *off* (the place is full of goths, and smells of last night's dope). I then tell the owner that the music is going off, that he is fucking outrageous, and fucking insensitive.

And they try to make nice, I tell them that their music is fucking shit.

Then off I fuck.

You have to bear in mind that I'm not a big guy, and there were lots of blerks there. I'm quite proud of being an irate, prematurely middle-aged man.

― NRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

blerks?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

'Blokes'.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

oh you crazy northerners

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique: born in Sarf London (um, Kingston), bred in Cambridge, finished in Oxford. Mum is sort of northern, though.

― NRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha goths listening to trance.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Fact.

Worst thing is, they did play one tune I like: that Laya/Bushwacka thing. Not for long though.

― NRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Trance-goth as a new sub-genre, anyone?

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it already existed. Johnney -- two words: The Coven. How gothick is that?

― NRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"trance goth" is hardly what I'd call new.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Bauhaus in the middle of our street...

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Goths listen to nothing but trance nowadays. They just won't admit it and call it EBM or industrial instead.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I give it a bonus point for often being made by foax from Sheffield pretending to be German, but sadly this does not outweigh the minus points.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, it's still rock'n'roll to me too

― Billy Joel (rdmanston), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I'll clarify: they looked gothick (it was a smoky room at 7am Saturday = you do the math) and the music was really wanky 4/4 instrumental synth washy bullcrap. So I say 'goths listening to trance' but perhaps a musicologist and style 'guru' would disagree.

― ENRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Which bunch are they, Stars?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

What's EBM?

Erotic Bolivian Music?

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Electronic body music, apparently. Blame Front 242.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely all of them, RickyT! It has also just occured to me that the front-goth from VNV Nation is also the geezer who sings on that awful Smiths cover which is the theme tune from Charmed.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"I am the law! Put down your trance-goth and prepare to be judged."

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

But but but Sarah, the Charmed singer is Richard Butler from the Psych Furs/Love Spit Love, who is not VNV feller.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

That's what YOU say, Ned. It's not what my ears say.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking goths! I can't avoid them!

― ENREK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I bet they're having a right whinge away about you on livejournal, Enrique.

I am also willing to bet ten pence either RickyT or I knows aforesaid goths (goth, student, cambridge, argh) or they have shagged a certain goat boy of our acquiantance.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I have now got bits of VNV Nation going round in my head. Great.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I watched an episode of Charmed the other day and Beth Orton was singing in the club at the end.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

to me, Grandpont is a pleasant residential area on the southern side of well regarded Middle English student town. To ENREK, it is a macabre area on the southern side of a sinister Middle Earth town.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

goth trance has been a big thing for years, also crusty psytrance and all manner of other bullshit variations. i still fance goth girls, tho. were there any nice ones there enrique? if so, you should have stayed!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, I don't think BtG has known (hem-hem) many Oxford goths (Ostrogoths?). They all seem to be Cambridge types.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry! Oxford! GAH ONE DAY I WILL STOP CONFUSING THEM.

Ricardo, you have got off lightly. I have the Charmed theme tune. Huuuhghghghman and I neeeoiid to be laaaahved... and then the end credits come along with the pan-pipes. WHY WHY WHY.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

But, how do people become goths exactly? When I was a teenager i assumed it was a kind of 80s hangover. But 20 years after the event, still they rise, nightly... I don't get it.

Anyhoo, I expect these FITES to continue.

― ENRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah well it starts with a hungover viewing of Queen of the Dammed.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Goth kultur is currently going through some sort of 90s hangover, what with the glowsticks and all.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i suspect that they may have been Geordie stoodies. The last time I was in Newcastle it was full to busting point with Goths.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

dunno, they were all frightfully well-spoken -- it was trance-goth rathern than sisters of mercy goth. but a goth is a goth.

― ENRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

5 Great goth songs of my crimpy haired youth:

Sisters of Mercy: Nine While Nine
The Mission: Kingdom Come
Skeletal Family: Promised Land
Fields of the Nephilim: Preacher Man
Ghost Dance: Cinder Road

Trance goth can suck my arse.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Skeletal Family"

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

The band names were all ironic. Weren't they?

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Joy Division goth? Could I make up to them by inviting them to tea, scones, and 'Unknown Pleasures'?

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

They all had a rare disease which forced them underground into the goth record deal world.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

if ENRK ever forms his own band, he should *so* call it Enrique's Vinyl Justice!

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Me and my pointy shoes mates had many discussion about who was and who wasn't goth. The Cure were barred for trying too hard and the Cult were banned for poluting the goth well with heavy metal.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

But you let the Mission through despite them quite obviously being hippies.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

argh, it's getting so complicated. my head hurts.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, that was what struck me -- it was definitely gothick up there. But also kind of hippy. Which was not a combo I'd ever thought of before.

― ENRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

You haven't even got on to the topic of Green Chartreuse yet.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

*points at enrique*

*boggles*

Yes, goths are nothing like hippies.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

OH HOLD ON A MINUTE....

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The Mission had hereditary gothness. I also had a soft spot for All About Eve. They trod the line between goth, folk and gypsy bollocks.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, pre-Saturday I felt:

Hippies: nice, laid back, summer dresses, Dylan, girls, upbeat, smoking dope in the park on a nice sunny Friday afternoon, Glastonbury.

Goths: 'snakebite,' horrible apparel, stupid ethics, terrible music (NOTE: I used to like Dylan), going out with older men, smoking crap dope they bought off a dealer who laughs at them in an allyway prior to going to crap goth pub, miserable, parent-hating attit00d, Reading.

Now I see the two things converge a little more than that.

btw what is this 'snakebite' stuff?

― ENRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

if you went to the pub you'd know.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

goth pubs!

― NRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Not if you went to any decent pub Mark. If a pub serves snakebite then it is rubbish.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Eggs-ackly. What is it? Some form of zider?

― NRQ (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Intrepid Fox to thread!

― chris (chris), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes it has blackcurrant in it.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

snakebite that is, not the intrepid fox.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a half pint of cider and a half of lager, and can have either blackcurrant in it, or, more worryingly blue curacao.

― chris (chris), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to be a hippy too. I was many things, but they were all maligned sub-cultures.

Hippes started to peddle their nonsense in the sixties (major strikes against the system, good Bob Dylan, England won the World Cup)

Goths from the early eighties (minor's strike, Bob Dylan in his Christian period, David Batty taking penalties)

Nature, nurture and snakebite.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

snakebite: it's that stuff that you don't know what it is that's drunk by those ppl that you don't like who are into that stuff you don't know about

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard of the blue curaçao versh, Chris, where did you see ppl drinking that????

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

'minor's strike' == no I am NOT going to school!

snakebite sounds absolutely beyond rotten.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Snakebite sick is beyond description

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the addition of blue curacao turns it into a monster (possibly a green monster) it used to be reputed to be served in the goth pub in Chesterfield - The Anchor (I think that was it's name)

― chris (chris), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Snakebite is delicious stuff, until you turn seventeen, then it becomes vile and undrinkable. Consider that thee alternative to snakebite back when i were a lad (drone drone) was special brew which = lunatic's broth, and only suitable for cleaning carburettors w/ I think. I must have thrown up gallons of snakebite back in the early eighties, but lord, did I love drinking the stuff.

For some reason, I have this urge to spend a happy hour or so gawping at gothic babe of the week.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Gothy girls were always fat! Listening to Fields of the Nephilim was like musical pies.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

this week's "gothic babe of the week" does not look too fat to me!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

benny hill ahoy

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate the internet.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

No, she looks super. I'd like to show her my Rose of Avalanche vinyl.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, perhaps I'd better go and lok at something else now

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 16 February 2004 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

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