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While I find our resident trolls annoying, I don't find them that annoying. Yet some people seem to find them very annoying indeed. Why is this?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

You're annoying.

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't find the DV annoying, at all.

The same goes for the trolls - I've been more bored by your arguments about "C-Man" (blaaaah) then anything he's ever said - indeed I didn't even notice him until the noise surrounding him had been cranked up into bats-only frequency.

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

You, also, are annoying.

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

trolling is DUD. I personally find it VERY annoying.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey that's twice I've been told I'm annoying by a freak on ILE in the past couple of days! Someone register iledrama.org!

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

nutty nigel's kind of a gay name, tho

― ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

conor smedley was CLASSIC

― kephm, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

hooooooowl....

― smee (smee), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

My favourite was that Dan Perry... o when will those halcyon days return...

The etymology of the word "halcyon" is menko, IIRIC.

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

finding 75% of ilxors annoying: c/d?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

OH, you're all so annoying.

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll bet that some of them annoy the moderators quite a bit.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with DV - I don't know why people get so stressed about them that they talk about making it login only. There's so much ~~crap~~ specialist interest stuff on ILE anyway that the inevitable 'look at me - I'm here to annoy you!!!' people aren't going to affect the signal:noise ratio that much.

I am still kind of intrigued by the whole troll thing in a wider sense - I'd like to meet someone who does this just to see what drives them to enjoy annoying people so much that they'll spend their day doing it to strangers. I guess with ILE they generally are wound up about a perceived PC, smartarse hive mind (which may have ridiculed them in the past).

I'm also quite interested in people's reactions to the behaviour, the way they fall over themselves to say 'oh, so and so is a TROLL'. It makes me think of guides to message board behaviour written in 1996, like they're trying to show they know the score and the lingo. I guess I still find the word kind of nerdy and stupid.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

What's a troll?

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

finding 75% of ilxors annoying: c/d?

ts: 75% of ilxors vs 95% of the human race

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

haha but jody ilx gets more like the rest of the human race every day

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

we'll always have geir

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

and general foods international coffees

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Celebrate the shitness of Geir's life.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

haha but jody ilx gets more like the rest of the human race every da

Or does the world get more like ILx?

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yes it is funny how some people get really annoyed by certain trolls. logic is abandoned, as it has been by the troll, when engaging them in any way. have been guilty of it many times because i am torn between an interest - fascination even - in their behaviour (in accordance with my curiosity of social behaviours e.g. attention-seeking in general) which i feel the urge to quash out of boredom and a need to demonstrate some sort of ability of my own (e.g. wit) perhaps. c-man (used as an example because he's been the most ardent if not only troll of recent ILX times), while not revealing himself to be a particularly interesting person (trolls rarely are in reality) in relation to anyone else round here (i.e. just another normalish guy with a few odd tastes and minor quirks perhaps), has been an interesting troll with regards to his persistence and the nature of his trolling - how can it be satisfying for the troll in this case? how can it be satisfying to the feeders even? tis nowt but a cul-de-sac of madness from which those who indulge must turn back from.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Celebrate the shitness of Geir's life.

witness the shitness

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

ilx gets more like the rest of the human race every day
-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyl...), February 17th, 2004

Said without irony, this is the stupidest thing I've seen all day. So I guess reg'lars can be annoying too!

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

What's a troll? I don't know, but if you want to smack one about I will.

― Nutty Nigel (Nutty Nigel), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i think strongo revels in his annoyability

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm new, what's a troll? Am I one? Am I trolling? I hope not. Please, teach me la lingo.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

A troll is something that hides under a bridge and talks to goats. I think that's right. Why you debating that? Are you all nonces who read kid's books? Where I come from you'd be brained with a picture frame across your head for that. Seriously, you got to be hard to be from my side of the pond.

― Nutty Nigel (Nutty Nigel), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

it's okay enrique i find you the most horrid of all the regs right now

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh my god.

― ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no! Bitter disillusionment!

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Nutty Nigel's posts are not nearly as annoying as the "DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD" x infinity replies.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

nigel's a bit of an upper class poof's name isn't it?

― omg, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I find so many people annoying that the trolls aren't even that annoying in comparison. Especially the ones who try so hard but are so ineffective, you almost have to feel sorry for them in their patheticness. Almost.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The main reason I dislike trolls is because they make otherwise rational people act like fiendishly irritating asshats, prompting me to wish I was a Scanner.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you mean trolls with that last sentence Nicole?

(sorry)

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

a scanner? as in making their heads explode?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It does annoy me when people call people such as Geir 'trolls'. Even Calum started out as a kind of just boring, one-joke merchant who wanted to amuse - it was people's violent (maybe justifed if you're hardcore about laddiness oppressing women) reactions to him that made him (self-confessedly) turn up the 'posts denied to annoy' quotient. Does he still participate in a relatively normal way on I Love Film?

It's the anonymous, one-note, one-liner ones that pop up every so often (saying racist or violently misogynist) things that fit what I understand to be a true troll. They never seem to last for long. I guess sometimes they are incarnations of people who've posted under other names before.

B3cky Lucas was an interesting one. She was just weird and fucked up and started to lash out when people took the piss. I don't think she came to ILE to annoy.

Was is Norman who was saying about the alt.trolls USENET group, where some of career trolls get together and discuss and argue about trolling? That does sound really bizarre.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Are they people who try to wind folk up?

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you mean trolls with that last sentence Nicole?

Yeah, I did. I should have made that more clear. It's obvious there are some trolls out there that try hard only to get diminishing returns.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

a scanner? as in making their heads explode?

YOU KNOW IT!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree that geir is not a troll, and I think his postings are generally heartfelt, if rather monotonous.

I don't recall calum ever posting rationally, except when he was afraid of getting his shit deleted on sight. Right at the very beginning of him posting here, at greenspun, he was kicking off, pretending to be other posters etc. He's a royal pain in the ass.

b3cky lucas, whoever s/he was, was obviously a serious fuckup.

I've never heard of a usenet trolls group, there is a yahoo moderators group, which iirc was set up to discuss how to deal with the uber-h4x0r-troll antiorp.

Trolling pisses me off because:

1/it has been my experience that they chase more interesting posters away, to the overall detriment of the group/list

2/it's a pain in the ass to be reading an interesting thread, and to see it derailed by c-man or whoever

3/they tend to cause meta-threads like this one, which are no good usually.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/mcmahon/48/multimedia/hhhchop.gif

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Trolling pisses me off because:
1/it has been my experience that they chase more interesting posters away, to the overall detriment of the group/list
2/it's a pain in the ass to be reading an interesting thread, and to see it derailed by c-man or whoever

3/they tend to cause meta-threads like this one, which are no good usually.

There are people who are not considered trolls that do this too, though.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think geir's a troll, i just think he's some kind of autistic nazi robot from outer space.

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Well yes, Nicole. There is an ilm regular, who answers your description perfectly, and he DRIVES ME UP THE BLOODY WALL

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

3/they tend to cause meta-threads like this one, which are no good usually.

I like this thread because it's not about anyone in particular, thus doesn't give any of them the satisfaction of being important enough to warrant a thread.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't recall calum ever posting rationally.

calum has posted rationally on ilf abt japanese films (the violent kind) and i think he also posted on amateurist's thread on 'violence in japanese films' on ile.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

And his posts about animal welfare might not be 'rational' according to you, and certainly they are v.emo, but they're not designed to annoy people.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

'Posting rationally' sounds so pompous, Pashmina!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Telling people what to think generally annoys people though.

― Pompousgit (Pashmina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it annoys me, anyway. I get enough of that from my 4yo.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/mcmahon/48/multimedia/dx11.jpg

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Ctrl+F "Jon"

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not the trolls as much as the anonymous trolls that have been plaguing ILX very recently that is about to turn me off ILX for good. It's one thing to be an idiot under a consistent alias. (Whatever, we all say idiotic things, and I'm one of the most obvious examples of that.) But it's another thing to be an anonymous offensive idiot and, by definition, chickenshit. That's the difference that's making the cheese especially stinky.

The only thing keeping me around, honestly, is the CDR Go! project on ILM (i know i know, me.. horn.. blowing), and once i get the website for that running, my involvement with the forum will probably decrease drastically.. assuming the plague of anonymous fucks grow.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(..which is why the idea of required registration for ILX is looking more and more attractive every day.)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That's too bad, I am sorry to hear that.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/mcmahon/48/multimedia/shanechop.jpg

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.misetings.com/gallery/albums/userpics/tings/landshark.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

That's too bad, I am sorry to hear that.

I'll have to second that.

The registration idea has always had its perks and its downsides. An example of a downside -- if a full registering was required, would we have had the immediate feedback on the various Pazz/Jop threads from various writers? I'm not so sure. But the perks are, indeed, noteworthy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not as though it would stop the annoyances from posting, though.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If you lot want to give this up, I'll take it over and call it "Nutty Nigel's I Love Fighting" and we can have a monthly ruck like in "Fight Club". To post you've got be willing to smash yerself in the face until you go unconscious. What about it?

― Nutty Nigel (Nutty Nigel), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't trolling inherently annoying-- it's part of the definition, I thought? It's like saying "Things you don't like, classic or dud."

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really. Most trolls are too dull to be annoying.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The point is that it's designed to annoy. Whether it does or not depends on how 'good' a troll they are.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the idea of registration. it holds people accountable for what they post, i think DB is otm on that count. Anon hit and runs have a displeasing chickenshit factor.

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

An example of a downside -- if a full registering was required, would we have had the immediate feedback on the various Pazz/Jop threads from various writers?

Well, if "registration" is just a quick one-off login/password thing you do once and only once (a la New York Times registration page but NOT taking up the entire page like it does), then it might not necessarily be as discouraging as you might think. Especially if it's just a "Oh you're new -- here, just fill in a login/password very quickly before we post your message to this thread" type fill out form page, which contains the original thread, for example.

(Then again, I admit I've still yet to register on that NYT page, just because I'm used to seeing something I want THEE MOMENT I click on a link to it. But like I said, that registration page ENTIRELY blocks you from seeing what you expect to see. ILX registration doesn't have to be even that daunting)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone explain to me how registration stops anyone doing anything (other than putting people off casual posting after arriving at ILE)? I can't understand the technology? ILX mods can already block certain names from posting, but people can just change their name. Similarly, they could just reregister under a different name, no? Unless you make people provide a non webmail email address when they register in order to get a password, and that really is going to put people off joining, no?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the best solution is to bore all the trolls to death with all these meta-threads constantly.. then they'll all fall asleep, and we win.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

how would registration differ from our current log-in method? would it just make logging in mandatory?

― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd have to get a barcode tatooed on your forehead.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

(Mr Noodles, if you are reading this thread, could you please add an admin button labelled "Punch Author In The Genitals"? )

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

that is exactly the solution i am after. genius!

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The registration issue would mean that--while anyone could read the forum, just as they can today--people would need to register and get a username/password in order to post. No, it wouldn't stop people from continuing to be an annoyance, but it would allow us to cut them off pretty quickly once they started (either by suspending or deleting their account), and since we can track IPs, we could theoretically flag certain IPs (or ranges) as requiring moderator approval before granting that access to the boards, if a certain poster is continuing to be a problem. Again, not perfect, but it might cut out a lot of the stupidity that's posted only because it's anonymous.
Of course, as stated elsewhere, it would also cut a lot of other valid discussion that is currently left anonymous (job complaints, personal questions, etc), and we'd almost certainly lose a bunch of posters who would just not want to participate in a forum that requires login/pass, just on general principle. There is no easy answer here.

I'm all in favour of Dan's solution, but only if that author is Jeff Gomez.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Who is Jeff Gomez?

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, well that's kind of what I thought, Sean. Seems the minuses far outweigh the minimal pluses. It's the persistent twats that cause most hassle and they're not going to be put off by registering. (To anyone who doesn't know, the IP blocking can and is occassionally done already, and suffers from the fact that most ISPs provide IP addresses that change everytime one is connected, and banning a whole range stops other people on the same ISP from posting)

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

It does annoy me when people call people such as Geir 'trolls'.

when it comes to Geir, 95% of ILM posters are trolls, basically saying illmannered things to him solely to annoy.

conor smedley was CLASSIC

Conner Smedley was not a troll. He was a werewolf.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...

dude
its pretty obvious yr all a bunch of obfuscating pelican punchers.
so ime goona keep this in George W terms. the reason people screw with these kind of forums is to inittiate a rivalry. now thats a common sports term so it might be a little unfamiliar with a few of you. but basically they get a kick out of the intellectual arguments and responses that are a result of theyre interruption. they are here the same reason you are the only difference is they care more about pissing you off than having the last word or the wittiest for that matter. thats how they attain a victorious state of mind.
oh yeah registration would make this whole thing pretty dumb because yr average inquisitive reader wouldent take the time to create a login password..etc and so you would loose copious amounts replys and big words that you could pick-up and reuse at yr gentlemen’s club on the 18th hole. long live the queen

― Peter Ries, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

cheers petey

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

can we maek out nwo?

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Better the big words than the bad typing, d00d.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

'Dude' has become an insult, or anexpression of frustration, hasn't it?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dude" began life as an insult, and now, like all things, it has come full circle. Ah, the universe.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am proud of my performance on this thread. I stand by it 100%.

― why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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