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I still had that "starting the industrial revolution in ancient greece" thing on the back of my mind from the speculative history thread when I came across the ouverture of meditations by Marcus Aurelius, where he openly makes the joyful inventory of his debts of love, friendship and affection etc by revealing what he owes to such n such, made me think about the anti utilitarian movement in social sciences from whom I gathered that the gift, like the market, is also a way to circulate things and services between persons except that the debt in this system is invested of positive values: "I'm so in debt to X, I'll never be able to pay it off during my lifetime" is a statement of wuv and respect, it indicates an abundance rather than a poverty. I can't quite explain in details how this idea can work into a realist alternative to capitalism (tell me about it) but for the sake of alt.history I'll say the meditations of Marcus Aurelius could have been the birth of a socioeconomy that would have avoided the problems of liberalism down the line by guiding naissant industralized countries toward an altermondialisation right from the start.

So, like Marcus Aurelius, feel free to write about your debts of the heart.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 19 February 2004 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Big words...I am a lost child...
But, I think this is what you want. First, my mom. I can't even talk about this.
Then, my girl. She has put up with the most insane, unreasonable, angry, vain, outrageous, volatile, dangerous, self-centered, lamest, broke-ass, motherfucking shit! for 13 years now. You'd have to ask her why. Can you imagine someone running at you with a baseball bat, insanity screaming from their eyes, you ducking as they swing, only to find they were trying to kill a mosquito? That is probably what it is like, living with me.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Thursday, 19 February 2004 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"altermondialisation"?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 February 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"altermondialisation"?

Alterglobalisation is a neologism that would have made more sene in english. It haves an ok presence on google

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 19 February 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

...made more sense(grr) in english.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 19 February 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard "alterglobalisation" used in English, but "altermondialisation" seems to have gained acceptance in French now (i.e. you hear it on the journal de 20h etc.)

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Thursday, 19 February 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
I liked that thread. It's a good jerry springer like thought to have before the ilx break isn'it?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 2 July 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)


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