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Colorado Coach Calls Rape Victim 'Terrible' Player

BOULDER, Colo. (Reuters) - The president of the University of Colorado on Wednesday rebuked her head football coach for trying to explain the alleged rape of a woman player by saying she was not good enough to earn the respect of her male teammates.

"I think everybody's job is on the line," university President Elizabeth Hoffman said on Denver radio station KOA in response to the remarks by coach Gary Barnett on Tuesday. "It was a totally inappropriate thing for him to say."

Adding to the scandal swirling around the school's athletic program, Hoffman said a fifth woman had reported being raped by a football player.

On Tuesday, Sports Illustrated on its Web page quoted former place kicker Katie Hnida as saying she had been subjected to lewd comments by other players, groped in team huddles and raped by a teammate.

Barnett issued a statement saying he knew nothing about the rape and told television reporters she was an awful player who was not respected by the rest of the team.

"You know what guys do, they respect your ability. Katie was a girl, and not only was she a girl, she was terrible. She couldn't kick the ball through the uprights," he said.

The university has been embroiled in controversy over charges that star athletes were recruited with the lure of alcohol and sex parties. The school has been sued by three woman who said they were raped at or shortly after an off-campus recruiting party in 2001.

Hoffman said an unidentified woman, who would be the fifth to complain about an attack by a football player, had reported to authorities that she had been raped.

Boulder Detective Sgt Kerry Yamaguchi said a woman reported on Sept 30, 2001 that she had been attacked two days earlier by a football player. "The victim and suspect knew each other prior to the alleged assault," he said.

A few days later the woman changed her mind about pressing charges, Yamaguchi said.

Detective Katie McEldowney, who investigated the crime, said in a report that the woman had met with the coach and another athletic department official.

"She was told that he (coach) would back his player 100 percent if she took this forward in the criminal process," the report said.

Last week, the National Collegiate Athletic Association said it would review recruiting rules at universities and recommend possible new standards by late April.

Hoffman and University Chancellor Richard Byyny have said they would hire a special assistant to serve as the liaison to the athletic department.

02/18/04 22:20

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Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

he's a real smart guy huh. thats pretty much saying, well she was terrible so she deserved to get raped. i hope they can his ass.

Chris V (Chris V), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Gary Barnett has always been a dick. He used to coach NU. Good riddance. I'm just sorry I have to see him on TV again.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i have had to look at his sad mug every day at the gym this week. they need to start showing m2 again.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't he, like, be imprisoned for that? What a cunt!!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Why aren't I allowed to kill people?

TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

College Football Coach Joins Book Club, Raped By Fellow Readers

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

no no you guys, you're taking his quote out of context, he didn't say she deserved to get raped because she was a bad player, he said that she deserved to be brutally harrassed because she was a bad player.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

OH WAIT STILL AN IDIOT.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

kerry otm, he's toast but not for this, this just sealed the deal. 10 to 1 says alot of this could be traced back to neuheisel.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

too often it seems like you're only in trouble for this kind of stuff when you have a losing season though.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

It's very telling that Hnida was a walk-on who was brought onto the team by the previous coach, but that the harassment didn't begin until the first day of practice during Barnett's first season.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Gary Barnett and Tom Leykis should both be strung up.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

This morning on Denver sports talk- I had to see what the CW is- the jocks were all claiming that Barnett is being unjustly set up, that he is in an impossible situation and that: "We're not going to do this, because it would be wrong, BUT we have statements from three players at CU at the time, with specific times and incidents regarding K#tie *nida, what HER actual behavior was at the time, and they are things YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT K#tie *nida! But we're not going there, we simply want to discuss the facts that are out there now as we all know them. Radio 950 The Fan.

These guys are yr typical morning team, one guy pretty intelligent and rational, the other guy all emotional 'bout everything.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 19 February 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I think those guys who killed Alan Berg were 20 years early and had the wrong target.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, I would lay waste to NCAA semi-pro athletics if I ruled the world. All walk-ons, all the time, athletics for the students, by the students. Yup, I know the gymnasts et. al. would suffer. And I love NCAA basketball, but it's clear that it's totally out of control. Let the NFL and NBA start their own farm clubs and sign 14 year olds if they want. At the very least, they could let the athletes get paid. The discrepancy between the value of the eductions they get and the revenue they generate has gone way over my "wait a minute here!" line. *Returns to fantasyland*

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 19 February 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

That's funny - people on talk radio in Chicago are talking about how much they hate Gary Barnett.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Kerry - you listening to the Score? I meant to listen today, but I totally forgot. I bet North is totally ranting about Barnett getting railroaded or some crap. Then again, he never liked Barnett when he was at NU so I dunno.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I was listening to some other talk radio station - last night and this morning.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Denver/Boulder is obv. supersaturated with Alums, let alone students. These radio dudes are microparsing everything. I normally support microparsing, but there is now a preponderance of evidence out there about how hands-on Barnett is, and how adept he is at recognizing problems. He ain't coming back from leave.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, nevermind - i just turned it on. North just called Barnett a "scumbag" and a "lying dog".

Anyway, yeah, I was very happy to see him get shit-canned. How could he be so stupid anyway? He must have been looking for a way out of his contract or something; that's the only thing I can think...

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

He's really a dishonorable piece of shit. I hate college athletics, such an unhealthy fucking culture. I agree with Hunter.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, you know I first heard that clip on Steve Dahl last night -- knowing nothing about the case -- and naturally assumed it was some lunkhead player who resented having to be on the same team as a woman, and not the fucking coach. What an idiot.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Barnett reminds me of Nicholson in A Few Good Men, except with the charisma and intelligence.

I'm willing to bet he encouraged his players to try and run her off the team.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

If society will propel brainless sportsmen to celebrity status then should they be surprised when society responds with wannabe brainless sportsmen acting in this way?

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone who has ever gone through college or high school and seen how faculty and staff treat athletes and how many other students regard them, and then in turn how the athletes act, shouldn't be surprised one bit by this. Everyone worries about kids smoking weed or wearing black clothes, but of course this type of jerk is held up as the pillar of the high school and collegiate community. That's one of the wonderful little slimy aspects of American society that goes unnoticed or ignored.

they only good thing is that most of them are overweight, bbq-eating mongoloids who will die of heart attacks by the age of 52.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

52 isn't soon enough...they'll still have time to impregnate some poor unfortunate before the steroids do their work :(

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Gary Barnett is a jerk, and the wings at the restaurant named after him sucked.

maura (maura), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, you know, i kinda liked gary barnett. that 1995 northwestern season was so much fun and i had season tickets on the 50 yard line! oh, but the barnetts restaurant on orrington was pretty foul. he was kinda cute for an older fella too. not that rape is good, or anything.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

gee, someone who makes Bobby Knight look good. whudda thunk it was possible?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

For once I'm agreement with most of these posts and want to extend a personal thanks to Gear for his comments. But I will add I've never smoked dope and find stoners as uninteresting and pathetic as the very worst of college Jocks.

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Anybody know what question was asked that prompted this quote?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"Coach, why did your players rape Hnida?"

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

stoners are mostly pretty harmless of course. until they start listening to goth omfg

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I chime in for a second and note that demonizing jocks is as small-minded and stupid as demonizing any other general segment of society? Of course a group of jocks are going to be stupid lowest-common-denominator mouth-breathers; a group of people of any type is a group of stupid lowest-common-denominator mouth-breathers.

INDIVIDUALS NOT GROUPS.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

a group of people of any type is a group of stupid lowest-common-denominator mouth-breathers.

even a group of Nobel laureates?

hstencil, Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ever met some of those chemistry winners?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"winners"

Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I've met Gary Becker.

(And Dan OTM; sad that it even needs to be said)

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

ever met some of those chemistry winners?

I WAS GOING TO SAY.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

okay then, basically any culture that unquestionably holds up people as borderline gods is going to result in a greater amount of arrogance, at the very least. It's an individual problem but also a cultural one. Not every person who joins up for athletics when they're young is an arrogant asshole out of the box, so obviously the way these kids are treated when they're young is part of the problem.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

in picking the title, i wasn't alleging that ALL college football types are fuckheads(my bro played defense on a Div II team), just that the CU team has more than their share currently.

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The gary burnett school of rhetoric and excuse, now accessible online! (Sorry Kingfish, I had to).

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe we can amend the title to what you intended to say?

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Spot the Big Lie in Gear!'s thesis.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(AKA Stop stating things like every athlete ever is an evil arrogant bastard and I will start taking you seriously as opposed to dismissing you as a blinkered bigot.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry if I wasn't clear, Dan I didn't mean to mislead you. What I'm saying is that this athletic culture leads to that behavior in greater amounts.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe we can amend the title to what you intended to say?

the title was exactly what i meant to say. These thread is about some college football fuckheads, and their fuckhead coach.

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never met a Jock who wasn't an asshole. Does life experience stand for anything outside of your yuppie Harvard existence Dan, or have you not travelled outside of your own back yard yet?

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

This particular Jock (Mr. Waddell) is indeed an asshole.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I roomed with a football player in college and he wasn't a psycho.

actually what's funny is if you told me I had a choice to go back in time to my college years and go to a football party or an indie film student hipster party you better believe I'd choose the former.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck it, I am going to demonise. Kate gets to do it on ILX, and say she gets all threatened by threads about chicks with nice asses, so if women can have hang ups about how society objectifies them then so can men.

I, for one, do not appreciate that society holds up brainless, moronic fuckheads - who offer ZERO to fucking progressing culture or society - such as David Beckham and Paul Gascoigne/ Cantona/ Ruddock before him (I could give a shit that's spelt wrongly, I don't watch football).

It's worse in America no doubt about it. If you don't play for the squad and work out and look like this or whatever then you're not going to score, you're not going to fit into some bogus "ideal" of masculinity". It's horseshit and it the eventual conclusion of such pressure from society is a tragedy such as Columbine. It's shameful, and a society weened on sports and turning athletes into Gods should be ashamed.

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Cal, have you ever considered that every jock you've met might hate you?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

And I lived with several types during my first year at uni, one of them WAS a Jock and he was dickhead. In my last year I shared with another two Jocks (along with my best mate) and they were both cunts. One left uni and got addicted to cocaine (HA!) and the other is now fat (HA HA!).

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't the term "jock" inherently bad? I mean, all "jocks" may indeed be assholes, but all athletes are not "jocks."

I have met both types.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

And I wouldn't shag any anything they brought back to the flat. I'm talking barely even making the 5 out of 10 mark... and if she aint at least an 8, I'm not looking twice. You dig?

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin: Did you really intend to give up the gateway to the conversation-killing "not all black people are niggers" analogy that easily?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. Yes I did.

Sorry, I am bored and at work.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

But you caught me, so now it's not as fun.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Aw!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

WUV

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Meanwhile, though on administrative leave or some damn shit, the guy is still being paid - a lot more than most folks in Colorado, including the governor. What a hero...

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 20 February 2004 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

more fun in Colorado

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Friday, 20 February 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't there a regular poster who is a UC-Boulder alum? I'd like to get a reaction from someone closer to the school, particularly with regards to this being par for the course behavior for the football team or if it's just the past five years that things have gotten really ugly (ie did they recruit some bad eggs in 1997 that completely skewed the personality/morality of the team).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

C-Man, how do you reconcile the jock-culture that is Amerikkka w/your own and your peers' penchant for "fit birds" of the Louise Wener variety?

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

If this has been discussed at length elsewhere, my apologies.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

(Donna, it's best to ignore him.) (oops xpost)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan speaks wisdom.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, then

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 20 February 2004 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

you do have to wonder how much of this kind of thing happened when bill mccartney (who went on to found promise keepers) was there. i don't doubt there was some sketchiness - skipped classes and palmed hundreds are par for the course for big time college athletics - but, despite the lame defense offered up by some buffalo fans, this type of thing doesn't happen 'everywhere' (and seven women coming forward is not a 'isolated case' - the other lame defense). i think there's something about this scandal, before rape even entered the picture, that marked it as different from your normal scandal of paid players/skipped classes which alot of fans regard as harmless.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

and i'm sure placing barnett on paid administrative leave instead of straight out firing him was just cu covering their ass from a legal standpoint.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Answering oops' question upthread:

Anybody know what question was asked that prompted this quote?

According to the Chicago Tribune, Barnett was asked why the woman left CU.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Why aren't I allowed to kill people?

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 February 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and for background on the wonderful CU football program, try here, it's real uplifting

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 February 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

And I wholeheartedly agree with Hunter's take on the NCAA stated above. Especially the use of the term 'lay waste.'

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 February 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Answering oops' question upthread:
Anybody know what question was asked that prompted this quote?

According to the Chicago Tribune, Barnett was asked why the woman left CU.

At this point, I'm not sure this is correct. I think he had just finished a prepared statement, and as he turned to go a press person said "Hey, excuse me, I've got a question..." and asked something along the lines of was Hnida a good kicker. It says a lot of things about the media that I can find 80 gazillion hits of commentary about what Barnett said, yet I'll be damned if I can find a transcript of his comments to read them myself. If I find them I'll post.

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 20 February 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

In this week's issue of Sports Illustrated senior writer Rick Reilly wrote about former Colorado kicker Katie Hnida, who told him that she had been verbally abused and molested by teammates, and was raped by one of them. SI.com spoke with Reilly about the reaction to the story, Colorado coach Gary Barnett's recent comments about Hnida and what steps the program must take next.

SI.com: How did your Hnida story come about?

Reilly: I live in Denver, and one night back in 1998 a local high school girl became the first person in history to kick a field goal the same night she was named homecoming queen. I just thought it was cool, so I wrote about her that week for the magazine. You talk about a bubbly kid who had the world on a string; that was Katie Hnida. She was an honor roll student, a state finalist for the forensics team, won best story in the state high school newspaper competition ... and she didn't miss an extra point or a field goal her senior year. She was just on top of world. So I wrote about her, and I've kept in touch with her ever since.

Two times during the last two years she said, "I have something big to tell you," but she decided both times that she couldn't go through with it. Last Tuesday she called me. I flew to Albuquerque to talk to her, and the story she told me was just horrific -- she said teammates cornered her in the hallway and threatened her with sex acts, calling her the C-word. She said that became her nickname on the team. She said she had been groped in the 100-man huddles at the end of practice, that players touched her breasts under her shoulder pads, groped her crotch. She said she had endured every kind of vulgar proposition -- "Why don't you come over to the house and do me?" One time she was sick and a player allegedly said, "Why don't you die already, bitch?" She said was eating lunch another day and a guy came up to her and asked, "Why haven't you quit yet, prom queen?" Just terribly degrading stuff, and then after the season she says she was raped by a teammate whom she had thought was her friend.

SI.com: What was her demeanor as she told you her story?

Reilly: I've noticed that the last two years she hasn't been the same person she was in high school. She's more cautious, her face is just sadder. She's more serious than she was. Throughout the interview, she was pretty strong. She cried a couple of times. A few times I could see her just gulping for a breath of air to give her strength.

SI.com: Do you believe her story?

Reilly: I've been writing about sports and people for 25 years, so I've learned not to believe everything I hear, but I have to say Katie's story was very believable. Her tears, the details, the depth of her recollection were all very believable. When she said she never felt welcome at Colorado, that it felt like her teammates were trying to drive her out ... you can see now, after hearing Gary Barnett talk about it, that it was the case. Barnett said she was "terrible" -- plus she was "a girl!" -- as if being a girl was bad enough?  The Buffs have had some bad kickers on their team recently -- were those guys harassed and tormented? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard a coach say.

SI.com: Did you foresee the dramatic chain of events that have taken place since your story was published Tuesday?

Reilly: I knew it would be bad, because there had been so much frustration in Colorado about the fact that nothing had happened to Barnett or Dick Tharp, the CU athletic director, when so much was going on -- allegations of rape, strippers, escort services. This is just another log on the fire. There are now six alleged assaults. If those six are all true -- or if any of those allegations are true --  it's shameful. It makes you ashamed of your school.

SI.com: Did the university take the right course of action in placing Barnett on paid leave following his comments about Hnida?

Reilly: The university wants to fire Barnett. But because of the pending lawsuit [filed by a woman who alleges she was raped at a recruiting party in 2001], CU can't fire him, because he deserves due process from his employer. Plus, it's the university that's being sued. If Colorado officials admit, "Look, we now admit our football program was out of control under this guy," that'd be a sure way to lose that lawsuit pretty quickly. They're stuck, so they found this middle ground. But if he comes back, I'm Eleanor Roosevelt, because I don't think there's any way he's going to.

In interviews I did while working on the story, I asked both Barnett and Tharp flat out about the alleged fifth victim [whose allegations were made public for the first time Wednesday], whom I understood to be part of the football program and who said she was raped in 2001 but never filed a police report. I asked them both if they knew about the allegations, and they both said no. But now, according to the police report, it appears Barnett did know. So if you believe the head coach wasn't aware of any of this, you have to therefore admit you have a head coach who is clueless. I don't think you want either.

SI.com: Is Barnett ultimately to blame for the state of affairs at Colorado, or does it reach beyond him?

Reilly: I think the way we treat women in the culture in this country, especially among athletes, is problematic. I think athletes have trouble hearing the word "no." They don't hear it very often. Instead, they hear "yes," "it's free" and "we love you." That's a problem within the athletic culture. But, like it or not, in college football the head coach is responsible for his players' actions. He has to be accountable. What this head coach has been saying is, "No, I didn't know anything about it." And it think that's stretching believability to a snapping point.

SI.com: What can Colorado do to restore your faith in its football program?

Reilly: I think the program should get a new athletic director. I believe it needs a new head coach. And I think the head coach should be a guy named Dave Logan, who is one of the finest people ever to come out of Colorado. Dave is the play-by-play voice for the Denver Broncos, he was a big star in the state who later played for the Cleveland Browns, and he's a fantastic coach for Denver's JK Mullen High School who always gets his team to the state tournament. He's ready for the job.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 February 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

THanks for posting that Gear.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 20 February 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
Hey did anyone see the NYTimes column about Rutgers Football this weekend? Selena Roberts completely nailed my alma mater.

Will some Times Select subscriber kindly post it, or must I type the whole thing (which I will do)?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I won't post it, but I'll post a link to someone who pasted the whole thing: Selena Roberts: Football Grows, and Students Go the Way of the T. Rex

mark 0 (mark 0), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

Dinosaurs!!! That's brilliant!

Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Screw it, I'm starting a new thread. I don't like the anti-jock thrust of this one, so I'd rather start fresh:

Rutgers Football: A Case Study in Winning and Losing

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)


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