the Last Temptation of Christ: C/D?

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The OTHER controversial Jesus film (from 16 years ago). I like it very much, I'm sure the Mel Gibson flick won't even compare. Your thoughts?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the fact that Willem Dafoe can flaunt a resume that includes playing both Jesus and the Green Goblin.

I'm afraid I don't have much else to contribute besides that (being a non-Catholic who hasn't seen the actual movie), though reading Scorsese on Scorsese proved illuminating.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The only Scorcese that I have any patience for. Classic. It was one of the films that lapsed my atheism into a nice, tepid agnosticism.

Leee Majors (Leee), Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

That beautiful beautiful beautiful soundtrack by Peter Gabriel. Probably my favorite album that I don't talk about much.

Oh yeah the movie. Hm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The only Scorcese that I have any patience for.

NGAH?!

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw it in the theater; it's pretty great. Why is it that the Mel Gibson movie has christian groups urging people to see it but Scorsese's film was picketed and boycotted?? Despite the film - like the source novel - depicting Jesus as imagining before his death what his life might have been like had he married and raised a familiy, I saw it as a profoundly devout and spiritual film.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 21 February 2004 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm tired of Jesus movies.


Wake me when "G.I.Jesus" comes out.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still holding out for "Return of the King of Kings."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 21 February 2004 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned OTM. Wow, that album sure is great, though I like to pretend that either I don't own it, or cover the name of the artist and label with my thumb when I take it off the shelf. I think I've had sex to that album more than any other!

The movie... erm. Well, a cut above the usual Christian-baiting stuff, and two cuts above the usual "The Robe" style Christian-sanctifying stuff (though I have to admit I have a weakness for those.) We used to watch it every Easter, just because. ;-)

The River Kate (kate), Saturday, 21 February 2004 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

C for creepy, creepy Willem Dafoe and being good a sample source (can't live on Blade Runner forever, ya know.)

anode (anode), Saturday, 21 February 2004 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

a friend of mine used to say 'Passion' was one of the best albums ever as well. not heard it or seen the film but want to now.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

love the soundtrack, the movie was over wrought and kind of silly.

anthony, Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I also like the soundtrack. I've never seen the film, but doesn't David Bowie play Pontius Pilate in it?

sgs (sgs), Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Found the movie to be a kind of turgid, adolescent eroto-orientalism exercise. Masturbation with castanets and incense. W. Dafoe just too weird for me.

Skottie, Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't knock masturbation with castanets and incense, unless you've tried it, in which case fair enough.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Criterion Collection DVD of Last Temptation is really cool. The commentary by Defoe, Scorcese, and Paul Schrader is really fascinating as well.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Steven, I'd play you the album (actually, I've got it on right now) but I ph34r the consequences... ;-)

The River Kate (kate), Saturday, 21 February 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorite moment in the DVD commentary is the scene where Dafoe is in a room with cobras, and he was saying to the crew, "Uh, I'm safe...right? There's no danger, right?" [no response] "Well, say something! Tell me it's okay, and I'm going to be fine!" "Uh......you're going to be fine..."

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic.

I like Barbara Hershey. She's excellent. I am a huge fan of Mr. Dafoe. Supercool as Jesus.

The ending with the technicolored Stan Brakhage type stuff was awesome.

And I agree about the soundtrack. It's crazy that NIN sampled it!

Star Hustler, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

That soundtrack is (secretly) so goth.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the best Peter Gabriel album, right? Trent Reznor owes a lot to Eno, Bowie, and the Passion in many ways. He admits it too.

Star Hustler, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

harvey keitel's judas was a little rich.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Judas with a Brooklyn accent = SUBLIME.

Star Hustler, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it was John Waters who described it as Jesus: Uncut.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

soundtrack to this shit is awwwwesome

max, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:24 (seventeen years ago)

In my day, a premium choice for hot hot dorm room sex. (Did you remember to put the scrunchy on the doorknob?)

kenan, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:29 (seventeen years ago)

the sources disc is good too

max, Monday, 28 July 2008 04:16 (seventeen years ago)

harvey keitel's judas was a little rich.

-- s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:23 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

after getting those 30 pieces of silver, sure!

latebloomer, Monday, 28 July 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)

Music, great. Film, dud, spoiled by wildly inappropriate accents as much as anything else. If there's one thing even Gibson/Passion-haters have to agree, it's that the attention to language/detail in the Gibson film was ace. It's kind of spoiled other "historical" films for me where they speak in English (when the characters wouldn't have).

James Morrison, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)

like "romeo and juliet" for example

max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:41 (seventeen years ago)

if only shakespeare had paid as much attention to the language and detail of italy as gibson did to judea and galilee

max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:42 (seventeen years ago)

shakespeare's "italy" was more or less invented, tho

goole, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:51 (seventeen years ago)

ha, like gibson's "jerusalem" wasn't?

latebloomer, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:52 (seventeen years ago)

uh yeah but the bible's jerusalem wasn't. we have texts in aramaic, there's no original italian version of romeo and juliet

god i need to get out of the house

goole, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:55 (seventeen years ago)

yeah but scorsese differs so greatly from the bible on plot points that you can hardly expect him to make the accents scrupulously faithful

max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:58 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, that's true. i should see this again but i remember bowie as pilate being good. and john lurie! who's he, thomas or something? if john lurie is in your movie, i will go see it.

goole, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 01:02 (seventeen years ago)

My main problem was Keitel as Brooklyn Judas.

James Morrison, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 07:29 (seventeen years ago)

like "romeo and juliet" for example

-- max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:41 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

if only shakespeare had paid as much attention to the language and detail of italy as gibson did to judea and galilee

-- max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:42 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Good non-argument, though. Shakespeare, that well-known Hollywood director of historical films.

James Morrison, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 09:58 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

how was Last Temptation a historical film other than that it did recreate events from the Bible sprinkled with a story that was mostly fiction?

HOW CUM THE PPL IN STAR WARS ALL SPEAK ENGLISHSHSH

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Sunday, 2 August 2009 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

The Sound of Music wd be way better if they all spoke German.

Calamari Merkin (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

I don't get why they had english accents tho

Cyberdune Butt (Elvin Wayburn Phillips), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:59 (sixteen years ago)

implacable upper-class gravitas in English is the way to go with historical films.

Akon/Family (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:09 (sixteen years ago)

"I say Genghis, would you pass the Yak milk please?"

"Certainly old chap. Wind's getting up on the Steppes tonight, what?"

Calamari Merkin (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:25 (sixteen years ago)

I wish everybody in Boyz in the Hood spoke like Michael Caine

Cyberdune Butt (Elvin Wayburn Phillips), Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:30 (sixteen years ago)

just saw this again for the third time. surprisingly fewer special features than most Criterion dvds, but the movie alone is worth it. beautifully shot too

Cyberdune Butt (Elvin Wayburn Phillips), Monday, 3 August 2009 05:02 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Love this track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHOTGt0amOQ

raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 October 2010 20:22 (fifteen years ago)

I love both the movie and the Gabriel soundtrack. both are favorites. but the Gabriel soundtrack is just chilling at times.

THE SOMEWHAT COMPETENT RANDY (San Te), Saturday, 9 October 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)

I don't even mind that it's even a bit tacky in places (e.g. the walloping beats on a few tracks).

raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 October 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

may even be my favorite Gabriel

THE SOMEWHAT COMPETENT RANDY (San Te), Saturday, 9 October 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

was definitely my favorite when it came out, and for a few years after, but it sounds pretty dated to me now; I think I even prefer Us to it. but, of it's time, it's pretty good.

akm, Saturday, 9 October 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

Glenn Kenny on the BluRay:

While the first Criterion standard-def disc was released, it was “fine,” as they say, but not as special as one felt maybe it ought to have been. This new Blu-ray IS all that. Utterly beautiful. Seeing it in this presentation, with fresh eyes, it’s like a new film, and there’s so much to see IN it. This time around, for instance, for the first time I really felt its Bressonian touches—the shots of hands, of gestures, of figures walking. The colors in this version , the ever-so-slightly pink sand of the desert; amazing. We can finally revel in this as one of Scorsese’s very greatest films. A real blessing.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

David Bowie's Roman haircut like you've never seen it before!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

five years pass...

This movie manages to omit everything I cherish about the Gospels while adding a lot of unhelpful bs, incorporate Paul's misogyny and necrophilia while (rightfully) denouncing the man himself, and still stand as a decent adaptation of the Parable of the Talents overall. Iow, a righteous mess.

Wes Brodicus, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:18 (eight years ago)

How do you find that it denounces Jesus? I think the movie successfully takes up the novel's ambition to point up the high flesh-v-spirit stakes, and pretty clearly has him coming out on top

DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 April 2018 01:14 (eight years ago)

or you mean Paul here I guess?

DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 April 2018 01:16 (eight years ago)

anyway one of my favorite films ever, I love the way all the lines sound dubbed in, something uncannily off about every frame

DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 April 2018 01:19 (eight years ago)

Bowie's scene = A+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuN3baaui8

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 April 2018 01:29 (eight years ago)

or you mean Paul here I guess?
― DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII)

I do. Paul is portrayed as a snake oil salesman, telling people what they want to hear, except what he's peddling is real medicine, which he spoils with his disingenuousness.

Wes Brodicus, Thursday, 5 April 2018 07:11 (eight years ago)

Reading 1 Timothy 5 in HDS' televangelist voice is a lot of fun btw.

Wes Brodicus, Thursday, 5 April 2018 07:13 (eight years ago)

two years pass...

Judas with a Brooklyn accent = SUBLIME.
― Star Hustler, Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:26 AM (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

flappy bird, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 06:10 (five years ago)

Yaw place was on da cross!

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:58 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Qcv3YV4aA

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 14:01 (five years ago)

tbqh i like Keitel and all the other natural accents in TLToC. As for EG Robinson, far less ridiculous than many other things in T10C (exploding tablets, Anne Baxter, etc).

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 14:06 (five years ago)

far less ridiculous than many other things in T10C

bar is set pretty low!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 14:09 (five years ago)

haha I liked it! I think the Brooklyn accents work fine. I had seen the final shot years ago but seeing it actually at the end of the movie was astonishing, it made me weep and I have no real affinity with the Gospels... just a stunning and singularly cinematic ending, so graceful, violent, simple, and beautiful...

Really the only thing that comes close to ruining it is the awful Peter Gabriel score. Jesus, that score is SO bad. it's not used that much in the movie though, and the final song is great.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 20:08 (five years ago)

I like The Ten Commandments.

flappy bird! I love the Peter Gabriel score and I often consider it his most fully realized, most powerful album, but then again I heard it as a discrete sonic entity yeaaars before I watched the movie.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 20:49 (five years ago)

Separate from the movie I wouldn't mind it and would probably like it, some of the pieces were nice, it's just that awful gated reverb 80s production and those horrible horrible drums. The one sequence where they all march into the market/temple and that music is playing it's just... It makes me think of Toto. Last sequence rules and makes up for it

flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 04:09 (five years ago)


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