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How come Jon Stewart always gives air time to the scummiest reactionaries? It seems to me the equivalent of the ACLU defending the KKK.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't watched it lately, who did he have on?

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

some fool who wrote a book defending Bush. But the guy didn't come across well at all.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

But the guy didn't come across well at all.
That's why.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you really think the show would be better if he only had on bland milquetoasty types everyone can agree with? Controversy makes good TV. Controversy and Stephen Colbert.

yossarian, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

let's see...John Podhoretz was just on, talking about how the "war on terror" was Bush's greatest accomplishment. can't think of who else...just a general feeling of wrongness re: two or three recent guests

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

mmmmmmm.....Stephen Colbert

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I lurve Stephen Colbert.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Stewart goes out of his way to be polite to these people, staying above board all the time, and I guess it just doesn't seem fair especially when were the situation reversed (a liberal on a conservative show) he'd be reamed up one side and down the other.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

But that's because conservatives are assholes, Donna. Duh.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Duh indeed

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

seek out the show where one of the Daily Show correspondents came to my town to do a profile on the biggest loser ever!

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.christiangallery.com/whatcottparade.htm

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

If anything, I'd rather see Jon go up against incongruous right-wingers (whom he ultimately differs from) as opposed to, say, Dennis Miller's show, which is basically just an excercise in sychophantic, press-release logrolling.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"why don't people constantly reinforce ideas that make me comfortable?"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, what happened to Dennis Miller? Aside from turning into a right-winger, was he always such a kiss-ass? And every time he has a black guest, he gets all "righteaous threads, m'man - stay cool, mah bruthuh."

I hate that guy now.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

dennis miller is one of god's cruelest mistakes

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

On the Dennis Miller thing, I can't even let myself watch that smug asshole anymore. I was on of Denny's biggest fans, but his head has gone so far up his on ass, he put a window in his navel. On his old Fox show, in the early '90's, he was so one of us, and now he is so one of them.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(xpost)

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there was some freak accident on the set of MNF where DM and Hank Williams Jr switched brains.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

it's not buggery if it's in the Regina

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Dennis Miller was always sort of a kiss ass. On his talk show (which I actually sort of enjoyed) he'd always have Henry Rollins as a guest, and Miller treated him like some sort of tattooed Demi-God.

subgenius (subgenius), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

But that's because conservatives are assholes, Donna. Duh.

Stewart is usually fairly polite to the right wingers he has on the show, but last night he sounded like he was one straw away from snapping at his guest. And for the sake of balance, has he had anyone on the show who was further to the left than Michael Moore?

Right now I think I only have cable so I can get Comedy Central and MTV2 (which is killing off nearly everything I used to like about it).

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved the episode where Ann Coulter was on, and he told her he liked watching her show, as, for him, it was like watching National Geographic, a glimpse into some alien world he had never known before. The audience booed her too. It was pretty swell.

Prude (Prude), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's further to the left than michael moore?

Stuart (Stuart), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you think John Podhoretz is further right than Moore is left? What Dem did Podhoretz erroneously call a deserter?

Stuart (Stuart), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Lenin?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Now that's television.

Stuart (Stuart), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm probably further to the left than Michael Moore. If I'm honest.

cybele (cybele), Thursday, 26 February 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Michael Moore is terribly leftwing. I mean, he likes McDonalds, he enjoys the trappings of capitalist society. He's not necessarily out to bring the system down or anything.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

loved the episode where Ann Coulter was on, and he told her he liked watching her show, as, for him, it was like watching National Geographic, a glimpse into some alien world he had never known before. The audience booed her too. It was pretty swell.

Wow. I'm actually really sorry I missed that. How was she? Was she wildly uncomfortable? How was her banter with Jon?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved the episode where Ann Coulter was on, and he told her he liked watching her show

Ann Coulter has her own show? Jeebus...

The message board on anncoulter.org is one of the scariest places on the internet. Hate and stupidity galore (from the chorus of approval over comments like "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to christianity" to posturing about going to anti-war rallies to try out new hunting rifles on them anti-American liberal types).

mmmmsalt (Graeme), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

How was she? Was she wildly uncomfortable? How was her banter with Jon?

At one point, she said there were some bad Republicans, but there weren't any good Democrats, at which the audience booed. She then lamely added, "Except for this audience...?" Jon seemed mostly bemused. He made that National Geographic comment at the end, and I don't think she had any response.

Prude (Prude), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

He should have asked her what it was like to be part preying mantis.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Locust!
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/zorak.jpg

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Praying Mantis
http://www.uwm.edu/People/mickels2/zorak.gif

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Batmantis!
http://www.c4vct.com/kym/sg/snaps/batmnts1.jpg

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.lifelibertyetc.com/images/Products/ptsf_brook_01.jpg

The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

(that's an ann coulter affiliate)

The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Dennis Miller was on Jon Stewart last night, and the appearance fits nicely onto this thread. Firstly, it was an obvious attempt to win back a piece of his old audience; he mentioned not once but twice that he has "not turned into a right-wing nut." But then he spent the rest of the interview doing these massively uninformed and unfunny rants about global warming. "1.8 degrees in the last hundred years? So what?" was the gist of it. Yeah, very funny, moron. At least he didn't do any of his high-larious material about Arabs.

But the thing is, Stewart ate it up as if it was the funniest thing he'd ever freakin' heard. He seemed a little to eager to accomodate Miller as some kind of grand old man of comedy. I can get with a certain willingness to accomodate all points of view, but Stewart seems to be taking the stance that comedy is still funny even if you don't agree with it, and that seems shaky to me. If it's based on opinions that are wrong and thin and stupid, how can it still be funny?

happy fun ball (kenan), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

"If it's based on opinions that are wrong and thin and stupid, how can it still be funny?"

See: Archie Bunker?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

see: south park

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

On the flip side, there was a Liz Winstead (sic?) stand-up performance on CC a while ago where a line between "comedy routine" and "political rally" was crossed (and I never knew that line existed!) - she called out Bush for this & that, and the crowd would APPLAUD, not LAUGH, after every other line. It was like watching the side of Congress that supports the Preznit do their whack-a-mole thing during the State of the Union. I agreed w/ her for the most part, but I would've gotten more laughs seeing some assbackwards slur-tossing bigot talk about carpet bombing the Ayrabbs & the rest of the Third World back to the Big Bang.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I disagree.
I think stand-up especially, and comedy in general has gone too far into this weird agreement/approval=funny paradigm that divisive and boring and very rarely actually funny.
I think that there are plenty of funny things that you don't have to agree with to find funny, like Don Rickles or Rodney Dangerfield (but maybe that's more of an irony thing? No, I don't think so. Certainly, the irony of their ill-conceived ideologies enhances my enjoyment of their routines, but it's not an essential part of it.).

Huk-L, Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

xxpost

Yeah, but neither South Park nor Archie Bunker are a stand-up act with an "Am I right, people?" attitude.

happy fun ball (kenan), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

xpost back to hfb, obviously I agree with Dr. Diva.

Huk-L, Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Andrew Dice Clay

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

What about him? That he's funny, or that he's probably the single worst stand-up comedian EVER?

happy fun ball (kenan), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

sam kinison!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

(and basically lie about anything they can) got cut off there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 April 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

I was simply saying that I don't mind that they have a politcal slant. Their journalistic ethics are for shite and they are as much of a degrading force for real public morality as a bus full of kiddie smut peddlars and I hope they all die slow, painful and shameful deaths but apart form that I think they're the bee's knees on the cat's pajamas.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 April 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

"FAIR AND BALANCED"

When you think about it, that slogan is funnier than anything that has ever been on the Daily Show. The only Simpsons crack of recent vintage that stands with the golden age stuff is when they had Krusty debate his democratic congresional opponent on Fox news.

Fox drone (to Democratic candidate) "I see, that seems like a very...adulterous...response"

Ash (ashbyman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Stewart is utterly not avowedly left-wing. He's probably only left-leaning because the country is currently torqued so far to the right.

And while he has taken down right-wingers, he generally indicates he disagrees with them while listening to what they have to say (and disagreeing with it where he can). Even when he has lefty people on his big question these days has been "What if Bush is right about bringing democracy to the Middle East? Maybe the ends justify the means?"

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

and fwiw, I have *definitely* seen him soft-pedal w/right wingers on his show (Bush's campaign mgr springs to mind). I think Ash is making a little too much of Stewart's "leftiness"...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

haha did anyone see the american spectator's big diss of the daily show (or more accurately the book) recently?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

No, what's the story?

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

oh and conservatives he's actually engaged and conversed with instead of 'shot down immediately (or at all)': bob dole, john mccain, richard viguerie, JONAH FUCKING GOLDBERG

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7720

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Stewart loves Dole. I've seen Bob on his show at least three times.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

also, who was the goldwater-era conservative who wrote the book about how the conservative movement started in the '70s? he took great pains to correct jon by differentiating between "conservatives" and "Republicans"...

kingfish, Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

richard viguerie, the 'founding funder of the modern conservative movement', the left could definitely take some tips from that joker. one thing he said that stood out to me was that at first they focused purely on getting a conservative nominated president on a major party ticket. and they got that in 64. and then they focused on getting a conservative elected president. and they got that in 80. and then they focused on getting a conservative elected president who'll govern as a conservative, and they're hoping they'll get that now or soon.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Why not. Dole's actually a pretty good guest. I wouldn't vote for the guy, but he can be funny.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

one thing i do kinda wish he'd asked dole about the other night is was the 'nuclear option' debate cuz dole sure as hell didn't hesitate to deploy the filibuster that brief window clinton had a democratic congress.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I like Dole. I don't agree with him much but he's funny and comes across as being about as forthright as a politician can.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I'm watching the repeat telecast of Dennis Miller's appearance. It ain't great (haha, Pope Norm), but he's not terrible either. The Church blowing smoke, Germans greeting the throngs, and Sal Mineo's chalkline. C'mon, it wasn't that bad.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

stewart had as many good lines as dennis miller, and he only talked two or three times.

Sym Sym (sym), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

denis leary, someone oughta put a bullet in that guy (preferably THE VENGEFUL GHOST OF BILL HICKS)

-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), April 21st, 2005.

OTFM!

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

i remember some mtv thing awhile back where they had a bunch of comedians sitting around on a sofa 'watching' "bad" videos, hits that had fallen out of favor with what was in mtv's format that week, and adlib on them afterwards, basically a sloppier model of the vh1 talking head blurb shows come to think of it. it was janeane garofalo, denis leary, chris kattan, and john stewart and i remember that garofalo and leary and kattan were clearly working it, just tossing off jokes hoping something would land, just riffing, they were "ON", and every now and then john stewart would casually say something that would be ten times funnier than anything anyone else said.

-- j blount (jamesbloun...), April 21st, 2005.

And then Vanilla Ice came on and LOST IT COMPLETELY. Dude is scary.

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

oh how clever that Am Spectator review is! so very provocative were they when dumping on the throwaway jokes in the Daily Show book.

they didn't even mention the joke about Thurgood Marshall, or them printing the stats of "The Iceman."

or the obligatory maya angelou dick joke.

kingfish, Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Everything has a political slant. Especially the things that say they don't. I think this is a pretty uncontroversial point, but I would love if someone could point out that this is wrong as it pertains to the Daily Show, seriously. I would be very interested in hearing the arguments.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 22 April 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Jon Stewart blew it big time last night during the interview with Colin Powell. Powell hit him with the usual Bush party line about WMDs, Iraq etc and Stewart DID NOT ONCE challenge him on any of it. His fawning demeanour, rambling questions and failure to follow up on any of Powell's non-answers showed him to be totally out of his league. I guess he is just a comedian after all. All in all, a huge disappointment.

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

3/10?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

he gave Gingrich a pass on stuff too earlier this week, although, to be fair, Gingrich wasn't acting like a shithead

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

His fawning demeanour, rambling questions and failure to follow up on any of Powell's non-answers showed him to be totally out of his league.

OTM. Worse yet, he let Colin Powell be boring. Mike Wallace, he ain't.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

i maintain my position that he's a terrible interviewer.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

People who expect a comedian to do hard-hitting, journalistic interviews: C/Insane?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

exactamundo!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I've often thought the Daily Show takes a pretty hard fall halfway through once they reach the interview section.

L'Histoire d'Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

totally! i cant even watch ANY of the interviews without cringing.

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

People who expect a comedian to do an entertaining, funny interview: C/insane

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

xpost Yeah, but sometimes there's a book you might be sorry you didn't read.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

The Daily Show is a HUGE FORCE in the book market, ya know. I don't know why more publishers haven't figured this out yet.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Powell hit him with the usual Bush party line about WMDs, Iraq etc and Stewart DID NOT ONCE challenge him on any of it.

It seemed to me as though Stewart expected Powell to take a more moderate stance. For instance, on the question phrased something like this: "we went to war to find the WMD's and when we couldn't find them, we turned it into a war about spreading democracy -- do any of the admin's decisions seem rash or misguided to you in retrospect?" Stewart was clearly fishing for a sympathetic viewpoint. Instead, Powell reciprocated by spouting the strict Bush party-line, Stewart appeared a bit shcoked to hear it, and he had no follow-up.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

You think Powell really has polite dinner with Bush? I don't.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

He was obviously there, as per usual, as the moderate face of Bush's crew to try to kill a damning story. In this case the Downing Street memo. Stewart fell for it. I'm not an American, so maybe someone could explain why they expect Colin Powell to be anything other than a right wing, warmongering bible thumper.

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Dammit, I want torrents available...

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

You don't wanna waste your time. It was boring. And annoying. And pitiful seeing Jon Stewart grimacing and wriggling around as the show went down the toilet.

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

why they expect Colin Powell to be anything other than a right wing, warmongering bible thumper

Because having hope is fun! (if futile)

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand. It seems Powell has worked as a professional liar for what, four administrations now. Why does he continually get away with it?

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

maybe someone could explain why they expect Colin Powell to be anything other than a right wing, warmongering bible thumper.

because he's black

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Thought so.

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

why they expect Colin Powell to be anything other than a right wing, warmongering bible thumper

I think this is a bit harsh, but Stewart's line of questioning seemed directed toward getting Powell to say something like "remember that speech I gave at the UN? In retrospect, I guess I came off looking pretty silly, didn't I?". No matter how Powell feels about that UN speech today, he's not going to self-deprecate himself, and Stewart was a dumbass for thinking there was a chance that he would.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

It still was worth a try though.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

I don't want to come off as an asshole or anything but there are people dying out there every day and the best we can hope for is for one of the principal protagonists to admit he looked "pretty silly"? Stewart missed the best opportunity he has ever had to deal a couple of hard questions to these guys. Remember all that self-righteous rage on Crossfire. What a loser he looks now.

As for "right-wing, warmongering, biblethumper" being harsh. He's quite clearly all three. I'm sorry I omitted "fat" and "liar".

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

I've never seen him thump a bible.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

When not relishing his front row seat at Bush's prayer breakfasts, here's what else Colin gets up to:

"Colin Powell labels US Judeo-Christian -23/9/03

US Secretary of State Colin Powell called the United States a Judeo-Christian country on Monday but quickly amended that to "a country of many faiths."

The first amendment to the U.S. constitution prohibits the establishment of any state religion - a provision usually interpreted as requiring strict separation of church and state, though Christian activists dispute that.

Powell made the remark in an interview with the Charlie Rose Show on public television while talking about Washington's vision of what kind of government Iraq should have."

everything, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

would you say that calling the U.S. a judeo-christian nation is unreasonable?

"a nation of many faiths", sure if you knock on everyone's door, i guess. but, really...

firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

"would you say that calling the U.S. a judeo-christian nation is unreasonable?"

Hmmm now you mention it, let me check the latest stats. Let's see: 85% of you now believe in angels, 86% believe in Satan and more than 90% of you belive that right now, Saddam's sons are getting their asses jabbed with pitchforks in hell. Colin Powell: voice of the people.

everything, Friday, 10 June 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

Powell could be very religious for all I know but that line you quoted doesn't prove it one way or the other. I remember him saying that and it seemed to me that it is was a statement of fact (in his mind at least). I didn't seem to me that he was necessarily delighted by that. Or bothered by it for that matter.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)


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