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where did macoroni and cheese come from?
who invented macoroni and cheese?

Jeramie Rodriguez, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Wertham Kraft

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It was invented when a pasta salesman at the world's fair ran out of sauce. The man in the stall next to him was selling cheese and offered to melt some for the dry macaroni.

A hit was born.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

was that the same world's fair where the ice cream man ran out of paper cups and the stall next to him sold waffles?

We need more World's Fairs.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

shhh! huck. you're ruining my story.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Who invented Rice-A-Roni is the real issue...

andy, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry Sam, I honestly believed you, you have that teachorial tone of authority, doncha know.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Well that's easy. It was a rice pudding salesman at the world's fair ran out of milk. The man in the stall next to him was selling any old crap and offered it to the rice man to use in place of the milk, but the rice man said "No, I don't want that, it would be revolting and not like rice pudding at all". The any old crap man was offended and threw all his crap at the rice. At the same time, a vat of boiling water from the nearby water fair fell off a cart and some starving urchins started to eat the resultant gloop. They called it Rice-A-Roni. The stallholders asked them where they were getting the 'a-roni' bit from, since it bore no relation to macaroni or anything. The urchins attacked the stallholders and the fair was closed.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

and that's the end of that.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

that is what I heard.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

More World's Fair invention stories please!

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

behold - Canada's pride and joy:

http://www.auroradesigngroup.com/microfood/other/kraftdinneronly.jpg

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

what the fuck?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Word on the street is that Kraft's mac and cheese is only called "Kraft Dinner" in Canada.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

but that shit is GLOWING

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Word on the street is that Kraft's mac and cheese is actually a plate of yellow jelly beans in Canada.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Extra love*.

*or radioactive waste. whatever.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Kraft manufactures and markets many of the favourite foods and beverages that are the mainstay of Canadian kitchens. In fact, almost 99% of Canadians are Kraft consumers having purchased a Kraft product within the past year, and an average of 21.9 million Canadians enjoy at least one Kraft product each month."

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

bar3nakedladi3s fans to thread, not.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this less offensive to your delicate eyes?

http://www.kraftcanada.com/assets/brand_images/KD/original.jpg

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Only slightly.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Are Kraft still owned by tobacco overlords Phillip Morris?
mmmmm, that sweet Carolina smoke!

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s. the pic of the "glowing" Kraft Dinner is apparently "art"

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Sigh. It's the only thing I ever really miss from North America. Though I've committed the ultimate heresy of switching my preference from Kraft Din-nehr (only works if you pronounce it like it's French) to Annie's Organic Shells N Cheese. Mmmmmm, that purple box and the bunny!

The River Kate (kate), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Macaroni and Cheese has to be cooked just a certain way for me to eat it (and love it, at that). Undercook the noodles to nearly pre-al-dente, melt slightly more butter than the recipe calls for and let that melt the cheese powder. Do not add milk. I don't know how, but the stuff ends up with a lot more kick that way (that kick probably being cholesterol).

Prepare it any other way and it's worse than baby food. Actually it IS baby food.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 26 February 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

my version of macaroni and cheese = cooked macaroni with shredded cheese liberally sprinkled on top. mmmmm

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 26 February 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Macaroni and Cheese
1 box rigatoni
1 can tomato soup
1 package xtra sharp white cheddar(8 oz package, I think)
10-13 oz milk

preheat oven to 370
cook macaroni as directed, drain
layer in baking dish:
1/3 macaroni, 1/3 cheese cut into chunks or slices, 1/3 tomato soup (in that order)
repeat for 2 more layers
add 10 oz milk
bake for 25 minutes
stir, add 2-3 oz milk
bake for another 25-30 minutes
if you want it to be crustier on top, bake for another 5-10 minutes.

There you have it, my great-grandmother's recipe for the best macaroni and cheese ever. Family pride dictated that I share this recipe for you to test this claim.

Sengai, Friday, 27 February 2004 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

b-but where's the 'cheese powder'?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It was only thanks to South Park that we learned of Kraft Dinner. DB and I were completely baffled.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I found a box of the stuff hidden in my pantry tonight, and I was all, like, "well, well, well.. what do we have here?"

maypang (maypang), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Only in America could you have a potential national dish of Pot Noodle and cheese.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

an outlaw and his beer?

luna (luna.c), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

May Pang, you make it sound like it was caught in an illicit clinch with some string beans.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a Canadian guy who ate only Kraft Dinner. I suppose he's dead by now. To me, Brand X is just as good and 4 for a buck.

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmmmm... lovely maggots all wringling inside of you!

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Kraft Dinner with ketchup VS Kraft Dinner without ketchup.

maypang (maypang), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

ketchup???? you weirdo.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Mac and cheese is supposed to be baked you crazy peoples!!

Clarke B., Friday, 27 February 2004 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Who calls it Mac and Cheese? Everytime I read that I keep thinking of this:

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/75/131175.jpg

maypang (maypang), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Kraft Mac & Cheese is okay if you're going for the "I have no idea what to fix for a side dish and I'm super-tired and I'm really not feeling the whole creative thing tonight so I think I'll fix something simple and easy". I prefer the Velveeta Shells & Cheese, though. Definitely prefer the Velveeta Shells & Cheese.

I've never had homemade mac & cheese. It sounds really good, particularly as I'm regaining a little of my old cheese tolerance. Hm.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:23 (twenty-two years ago)

The most hideous dish ever. EVER!

Sean (Sean), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

MYmom makes a good homemade mac & cheese.

i always eat it as a main dish. (box kind i mean.)

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, that post confused me a little...

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

if anyone out there has a good, simple, LOW-FALUTIN' recipe for baked mac and cheese can you post it here please? i had a weird craving for this last week but had to settle for kr*ft dinn*r when every single recipe i dialed up called for some weird phantom non-sequitur ingredient like mayonnaise or pimento or just, inexplicably, 'flakes'

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

chopping up a hot dog and throwing it up in there is purdy good.

oops (Oops), Friday, 27 February 2004 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Chopping up a hot dog and throwing it up in there...
That's poetry.

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 27 February 2004 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

instead, I wrap it in sliced Oscar Meyer bologna like a noodly, doubly-processed taco.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 27 February 2004 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

What's hard about macaroni cheese? In my next break I'll chuck my recipe up for you, it's not bloody difficult.

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 27 February 2004 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually "chuck my recipe up" is a bad choice of words there, given what my cat did this morning after breakfast. I'll write my recipe up later.

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 27 February 2004 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

mac and cheese would be SO GOOD for the small hangover i've got...

colette (a2lette), Friday, 27 February 2004 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I was too tired to read this whole thread, so my apologies if someone's already mentioned this, but ANNIE'S mac and cheese is the best thing ever. You get the shells and white chedddar and add a little sriracha sauce and the world is as it should be.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Parenthetical proposals are the very best kind!

(And sriracha on macaroni and cheese is damn good. I haven't had that in years.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Annie's Organic Shells N Cheese

Kate (and later Kirsten) both OTM. I got like 4 boxes in my cupboard at home right now. The boy loves.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Annie's is pretty tasty.

Although it's the artificialness of KD that make it so good.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I had no idea it was 25c a box. This changes everything.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought some homemade mac and cheese for dinner on Sunday, and it tasted funny! I don't know what kind of cheese(s) or seasonings they used.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone want to tell me where in London I might get some Kraft Dinner mix? The place I went to is now shut.

Thing is, Kraft and its ilk are only good if eaten piping hot within five minutes of pouring into your bowl. Any more lagging and there's just nasty coagulated fluorescent mess staring you in the face.

However Stouffer's mac and cheese which you bake is better than most people's homermade versions.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh god, Stouffer's is so good! You have just made me so hungry, even though I just ate like half a loaf of spinach feta bread.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom is the Stouffers ambassador. The mac and cheese and spinach souffle are reliable little stacks of bricks in her freezer, but she always has nuclearoni ready to go too.

Also when Ed makes homemade he puts PEAS in the sauce. Feh, you add ham or nothing at all.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't tried the spinach souffle! Is it good?

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I would eat mac and cheese WAY more often (in other words, at all) if I actually bought milk on a regular basis (in other words, at all). The soy milk I put on my cereal ain't gonna cut it, and I don't want to buy a pint of regular milk just for mac-and-cheese purposes.

Sriracha sauce sounds like it'd be good. In the past, I've added steamed broccoli or salsa.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't even need milk! Just put in a little butter and some pasta sauce.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom likes the spinach souffle, I don't. I wonder if they stopped doing it; not like I'd know because some of the ones in my mom's freezer are fossils.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I stil see them at the grocery store.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't see fresh spinach for my whole childhood because of those damn things.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

lauren (or tep),

will you marry me?

yes, but the coachwhips will be the wedding band.

suzy - my mom would buy me kraft mac & cheese at selfridge's food hall when i was homesick, although i'm not sure if they still have it (this was like 15yrs ago).

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I had macoroni and cheese for lunch today. It was ok.

Aja (aja), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah ed was trying to sell me that peas line too!

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

That is madness, pure madness.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I had macoroni and cheese for lunch today. It was ok.

you should've eaten a pizza hoagie instead!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

blech, kraft mac-n-cheese makes me want to throw up a little when i think about it. i think partially b/c when i was in college it was always spread about the dorm kitchen counters and floors and left in the sink, being all neon-y and icky.
the best kind is when you boil up lots of macaroni, then put a layer of them in a baking dish, then some butter, then some cheese, then noodles, then butter, then cheese, then pour lots of milk in it and bake it for 30 minutes. it's all gooey and wonderful. mmm!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

We are what we eat.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

george michael's a dick

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

oh i meant to say Armin Meiwes is a dick.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck it, they're both dicks.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm a pussy

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

oh jeez i must be drunk

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, paul eater does what?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

'real chicken nuggets' ???? I rest my case....

smee (smee), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone want to tell me where in London I might get some Kraft Dinner mix?

I think they have it at the Canadian Store in Covent Garden (it's now the Aussie/Kiwi/SouthAfrican store as well - Canadian stuff is in the back).

Stolenbus OTM. My University residence kitchen was disgusting and always littered with rotting KD. Yuck. When I was a young lad, I threw up after eating KD and as a result have never been able to stomach it, or any other variety of mac and cheese. I guess I'm missing out (or not).

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It was just an example right? You know what I mean....

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

No I don't. Admit to your junk food habits and be done. I am not a food snob but you, madam, are a food slob.

smee (smee), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I am a food lover. My tastes range from the sublime to the ridiculous and it means I can eat almost any restaurant without turning my nose up. Oh the freedom and possibilities.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Two words for ya - goats testicles.

smee (smee), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure I could fit my gums round them plums.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Yer all talk - most of it filthy, what is up with you today?

smee (smee), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Me so horny.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

ho-dee-oten-doten-day, ho-dee-oten-day-o, ho-dee-oten-doten-day, FATTENING UP OUR TAPE WORMS!

(/ Kids in the Hall)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2207/2842710129_b17c754701.jpg?v=0

and what, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 22:01 (seventeen years ago)

Macaroni and Cheese has to be cooked just a certain way for me to eat it (and love it, at that). Undercook the noodles to nearly pre-al-dente, melt slightly more butter than the recipe calls for and let that melt the cheese powder. Do not add milk. I don't know how, but the stuff ends up with a lot more kick that way (that kick probably being cholesterol).

this post is so so OTM.

J.D., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 01:19 (seventeen years ago)

aw man ham (or chopped bacon, or prosciutto) and peas in mac n cheese is great

donna rouge, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 04:37 (seventeen years ago)

deep fried leftover mac n cheese (has to be leftover, when you refrigerate overnight it congeals and holds better) = A++++ would cure hangover with again

donna rouge, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 04:37 (seventeen years ago)

Going to Arby's tomorrow!

kate78, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 04:38 (seventeen years ago)

and peas are never great.

kate78, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 04:39 (seventeen years ago)

also: HOT SAUCE. and paprika. and/or cumin

donna rouge, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 04:42 (seventeen years ago)

peas... god. there's a guy i work with who makes mac n cheese with peas all the time, except he just goes to the supermarket across the street and buys CANNED peas, which are totally disgusting. hot sauce, paprika & cumin all OTM. go for a little nutmeg. maybe some crumbled bacon.

ian, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 05:08 (seventeen years ago)

i could see fresh spring peas tasting good in mac & cheese.

my burberry tights (get bent), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 05:25 (seventeen years ago)

not a matt leblanc thread :(

jeepski (jergins), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 05:35 (seventeen years ago)

i think cheese should be accepted in modern day society, cos its underminded, as a object rather than aperson thats why i love the olyimpics soo mcuch cos they can be intelligent like me and use all of it

salsa shark, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 10:22 (seventeen years ago)

lock thread

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 10:31 (seventeen years ago)


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