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Disliked it , & certainly never got "laid" if that means what I think it means. It was good being in a town with a couple of 2nd-hand record shops though.

you were in the city. HA! We were 45 minutes by bus from the anrest town and that was only 1200 people .

sp: 'spent'; 'experience'; 'nearest'.

I guess girls and their private boarding schools are excluded. So, well, just never mind, then.

no no
I want every little evil detail from prep schools and private schools.
Boarding and DSay schools. I want vendettas Damn it !!!
Girls, Boys, Androgynes, anyone who has a story.

sp: for 'DSay' read 'Day'?

Pinefox is quite right to draw attention to Anthony's spelling. It is quite obvious that people do not send their kids to boarding schools because they want them to receive a better education. They do so because they really don't want to take on the full responsibility of parenthood and would rather pay someone else to do it.

There is ample evidence to show that people receive as good an education at state-run comprehensives and in many cases it is better at state schools as a result of the fact that independent schools only ask that their teaching staff have a degree, not teaching qualifications. Whilst a few boarding school pupils enjoy the experiences derived from dormitory accommodation (being buggered in the showers etc) it is my guess that most do not.

Note close proximity of 'd' to 's' on kbd. Typos != sp. errors.

Ah yes, Josh, but which type of school is more likely to offer its pupils the opportunity to learn how to touch-type?

I don't know much about boarding schools, but am, in principle, in favour of state education. I am not attacking anyone who goes to a private school just cos they go to a private school, though.

Typos are easy to commit - we all do 'em all the time (well, I do). Anthony does, perhaps, more than most. I do find them a tad unsightly - but NB: the reason I am pointing out specific typos is because on another thread he specifically asked for us to point them out. I am certainly not doing it to be offensive to anyone.

Yes, I know. I understand your good intentions. Thought he asked for it re spelling though, not typos. (And my pedantry shines through.)

"buggered in showers": yes Mark, and all the girls who went to comprehensives were slappers who were up the duff at 15, by the same token I suppose.

Seriously the politics of gay sex at boarding school were one of the most strange and interesting things about it. Much like in prison or ancient Greece there was a vast amount of same-sex activity and also a vast amount of homophobia - no room for overt identity-play there. Nobody identified themselves as gay - the kids who were suspected of being so did no more or less than anyone else, so the prejudice was entirely based on perceived effeminacy. Giving someone else a blowjob in a tough or perhaps even semi-ironic way was OK, but there would be codes as to how it was offered and given (NB: I never did anything, cause I was shy and had bad skin. I felt very left out, though, and would have got up to all sorts of mischief had anyone fancied me.).

There was also a massive horror of anal sex - it was the line that Could Not Be Crossed, the thing that if you did it would mean you actually were gay. So nobody admitted to it but there were constant, constant rumours. It would certainly not have been done in the showers, though - too public ;)

From my point of view I think boarding school had not much effect on my sexual development (being not fancied is a pan-gender thing), and mixed effects on my emotional and intellectual growth - but then "development" and "growth" are fucking horrible meaningless teleological words anyway when applied to human beings.

I went to a state comprehensive, and nothing like that ever happened. I got beaten up every single day though, a couple of times to the point that I needed medical treatment. I think if anyone so much as suggested they were gay they would have been beaten up even more, too. It was a pretty weird place.

How the hell do you give someone a blowjob in a tough and semi-ironic way? Does this involve teeth?

If someone gave me an ironic blowjob I would be sarcastically flaccid back.

State school (though this relied on bet with parents that I would do as well in state school as in the public one I got a scholarship. Did better, admittedly not all down to schooling). Really rather liked it, though it was possibly one of the thickest and roughest places I've ever been. But then we have discussed my approach to the bullying in school in another thread. I think I benefitted from the teachers being so pleased that they had a student who would get good A-Levels that they let me get away with murder (or at least ABH).

Youngest girl to get pregnant in my class: 12. Tally at 15 : 5. This still left 12 who used precautions. Had a gay kid though who was openly out and only got beat up every now and then. What a free thinking place.

Hmmm...I have just spent 15 years in various private schools. The first one was pre-prep, and not like a private school in many ways, so I'm not sure it counts. Second one was prep, with cathedral choirs and the lot, and looking back on it, I actually seemed to have enjoyed it, but I'm not sure if I'd get on with many of the people now (I know I get on with one, but he doesn't have the public school arrogance I suspect a lot of them now have). I do get on with the teachers, though, always have done, and I think I find them mcuh more interesting than the pupils in many ways anyway. (Am I a born teachers pet?) Third school was a private ex-grammar, mixed, no boarding, which I take it as meaning isn't a proper public school. Also, it was in scum-hole Southampton, not in rolling countryside. I have bad memories: First year - I came in awkward, shy, probably nowhere near laddish enough, everyone thought I was gay and I got bullied. next two years had no confidence at all, things picked up in the sixth form, but I was still confused, not really sure what I wanted anymore, and have had two quite big bouts of depression over the last year. but I actually ended up with a few friends and close to a few teachers, with the ability to work independently - I guess that's what private school taught me. Bit of a mixed bag there, then.

Bill

The actual administering of the blowjobs I'm sure would have been entirely unremarkable (probably fairly incompetent given youthful lack of experience). My impression was that the lead-up and aftermath of the act is where the toughness and semi-irony would come in, just to give the impression that, you know, nobody involved was really too *into* it and it was just something you did to pass the time.

Maybe that's why they invented telly and the interweb, so we'd have something other than cocksucking to do to while away the hours.

Personally if I get to the stage when I am so bored I want to give someone a blowjob I'll...... be very popular. Ha ha.

Perhaps not unrelated fact: we didnt have computers and telly access was strictly limited to a couple of hours on a Sunday.

i am so glad i went to a state school

Does this explain the popularity of Last Of The Summer Wine. The only time the public schoolkids were allowed to watch TV this was on. Hence it garned massive ratings because with that kind of prohibition you would watch anything. Even three Yorkshiremen going down a hill in a bath.

Stephen Fry's accounts of sex at school are brilliant - totally encapsulate that gay but not-gay thing you mentioned earlier.

I was state-educated but I grew up in Winchester so had a fair amount of contact with public schoolboys. At the time they seemed tragically socially inept and belligerant in their faux machismo. Yet with hindsight, they went on to succeed faster and easier, thanks to the *network*. It must still dominate the points of power.

I still think that the Ewing's 'tough / semi-ironic' revelations are astounding.

At my school no-one had ever heard of such things.

Social ineptness, pomposity and belligerence = key qualities in business.

But this is a chicken and egg thing - is business like that because it's modelled on public schools?

(Also the machismo and belligerence was in a lot of cases a simple fear-reaction when applied to 'townies' - most boys at Winchester would have been at some point terrified of the lads sitting hanging out on the - Butter Cross, was it? I've only been back to the town twice since I left so I can't remember any more)

All the townies now sit and watch the duck races in the new pond by the post office now or hang around in all the horrible chain pubs that have opened along jewry street. butter cross has the attraction of being the place where all the learner punks/indie kids sit.

Bill

I do have to say that the ritual hazing and belligerance Paul is being put through during his trainees years as a city lawyer are almost EXACTLY the same as the sort of ritual belligerance encountered during high school and college fraternity hazing at private schools. I'm not sure if they learn the fucking hazing at school, and repeat it at business, or if school is as shitty as it is in order to "prepare you" for business. I don't think it really matters.

Mr. Masonic can work for a smaller law firm, Masonic. Won't get paid as much and he'd still have to bill, but he'd be more sane. Besides, legal hazing begins at law school -- it just steps up at the firms is all. Hearing about big-firm life makes me feel a little better now for "only" being a B student at L-school and it's sweet revenge for the more obnoxious Law Review types (Mr. Masonic excepted, of course).

Just re-read Masonic's post, and realized that her husband's at a British law firm (I think). Just remembered that British lawyers and American lawyers get trained differently (well, duh! on my part) I imagine that British legal education/training is probably just as hellish as American legal education/training, just differently so. All the same, Wall Street law firm = Hell on Earth.

I am reviving this thread because my Platonic rimjob thread reminded me of Tom's classic "Giving someone else a blowjob in a tough or perhaps even semi-ironic way was OK" comment and the resulting aftermath.

It reminds me of an Onion headline something like "Ironic porn Purchase Leads To Unironic Orgasm".

ha ha - post a link.

i think this needs to be revivied again (i do have a reason for flicking through this, i'll start a proper thread tomorrow).

!!!

(before you suggest otherwise, dan, i have not had any kind of orgasm to this thread.)

I shall try not to hold Mark H's three year old comments against him, as I have seen none of this kind of thing from him since I've been around.

I experienced various schools: first a local state infants school; then a private juniour school; the local grammar; which then turned comprehensive; then a fairly expensive boarding school. No sex at all, gay or straight - I was not attractive (maybe even less than I am now), nor was I confident. I wasn't even aware of anything like that happening, bar the odd unconvincing rumour. I never got bullied in any serious way (a tiny bit when new at two of the schools, but it was nothing) and was, in the last school at least, popular.

I had lost interest in school by my last year in junior (I had been the youngest kid in the year and off sick more than half of the time, with terrible asthma, but was still top by a mile; they bumped me ahead a year, then wouldn't let me do the 11-plus at the age of nine, so I got bored when I had to retake a year). The new school where no one looked down on academic achievement and you couldn't get away with doing no work got me going again, and I don't suppose I'd have done as well had I stayed in the local comprehensive. Perhaps any other new school would have achieved this, I can't be sure. I think I lost out on some social skills through being in a boys-only school for four years.

i went to a chicago public junior high, but then my parents sent me to this high school in the suburbs with a fancy name that was supposed to be bougie and all, except it turned out to be a halfway house for social misfits who have been kicked out of every other prep school in the city. it was hilarious. but there was no gay sex. except there was this tiny black guy with jheri curls (really!) named LeMichael who I suspected was sucking off on of the science teachers.

i should have gone to boarding school.

LeMichael is a fantastic name and nothing else today can match the magnificence of it.