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I hate to be the one to bring it up but it has to be said:

-Lil' Jon. I love Lil' Jon so loved this idea. . .the first time. Then it was overkill.

-Keeping it Real. The "Granny, no!" bit was good but the rest of the piece was snoozville.

more.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The blind Klan member. Kinda funny at first, but went on WAY too long.

Prude (Prude), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the Klan member one was one of the best. But agree the Keeping it Real wasnt good. The internet one had a lot more potential, but I probably only say that because look Im on the internet, and I thought the Lil Jon one was a lot more hilarious after I heard that new Usher song he produced and yes, he does talked EXACTLY like that on the track.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That was the only episode I saw. Haven't watched since.

maypang (maypang), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I listen to all Lil' Jon's shit. It was funny at first.

May, that was the most recent ep so there's nothing for you to have seen since. Give it another shot though b/c that is far from the best this season.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Lil John bits were hilarious... I loved that kept going on and on.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

the first season was much more uneven. things have improved with this one.

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

That Rick James thing was too long. The promos were funny. The show was dull.

Dave singing "Diff'rent Strokes" was great because at the end of the song he said "I was the Gooch."

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Like the early Saturday Night Live stuff, I think that in a few years everyone will look at even the weak stuff he has done and see the genius in it. The first season was full of rough edges but so what? I am not being contrary here, I just remember that stuff like Samurai Deli and "What the Hell is That?" were almost painfull at first viewing, but now reveal themselves to be classic. To me the Charlie Murphy stuff deserves its own half hour. Then again I think Dave's show should be an hour.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the "Granny no!" part is a great moment in a bad skit. A good dose of Dave's purposefully bad acting has saved many a skit.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking Samurai Deli. It was genius b/c the classic comedy narrative of setup, punchline etc were just abruptly done away with CHOP, SLICE!!!! like some kind of dadaist anti-comedy. And the failure, or shredding, of expectations for what you'd see in a normal comedy sketch mirrored the kind of startling misunderstandings just waiting to occur between a slightly uptight customer visiting a store run by an immigrant. It's understandable they'd try and replicate the success of those sketches, but continuing to do so after practically 20 years is just fucked. "If it's not scottish it's crap" etc puke puke.

btw Dave Chappelle rocks and you r all gay for even having the privilege of selecting bits that don't quite work :(

Tracer Hand in London (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

Stuart (Stuart), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

No, the Chappelle hate begins!

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Btw, does anyone have the dvd, and could tell me which musical performances they ended up including?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

first season is out on DVD innit?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I have the DVD .. in fact, I watched it last night. We watched the first disc and didn't see any performances. It's weird. Each episode is like 15 minutes long.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It's possible they didn't have the rights to include the musical guests on the DVD. (Which would cut its intrinsic value by half).

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose. I never really liked the musical performances. I want more comedy, dammit.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm...I did hear that they cut out some for rights reasons (like the Roots), but I thought they kept some in. I think the performances are cool, not just because I like the artists but because they always seemed to put them in some cool, informal setting (like Busta in the all white room with all the cameras, crew etc. in full view or Talib on the waterfront in Brooklyn).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

To me the Charlie Murphy stuff deserves its own half hour.

Definitely. Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories deserves a full series (with Chappelle in it of course). I'm sure they could get an entire season out of Rick James alone...

(anyone who han't seen them, this nice person has DivX copies to DL)

mmmmsalt (Graeme), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

That Rick James thing was too long.

It was not long enough.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a bit long, imo. I love Chappelle but the "XXXXXXXXX, bitch!" gimmick can get old. (see: most ilx posts)

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"Game. Blouses."

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the charlie murphy bits are pure brilliance.

and yeah an hour is needed.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I only saw this show for the first time last week (my friend Dave had a couple episodes on tape) and I will be DAMNED if I'm going to start hating already. All the skits mentioned (well, the one's that I've seen) made me laugh. Hell, the Lil Jon skit made me finally appreciate "Damn!" (which before I found kind of generic....OKAY!!!)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh wait. I'll hate on the musical parts. It's like a scary reminder that he means well.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I know the performance of Mos Def in the car is on the DVD. I like it, but it's really short.
I just have to say that I think the Mad Real World is really funny, esp Dave as Tron

Mitchell (Mitchell), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a bit long, imo. I love Chappelle but the "XXXXXXXXX, bitch!" gimmick can get old. (see: most ilx posts)

now lets not exclude everyday conversation with this, either.

its only funny when I do it, anyways.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 4 March 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to know why Lil' Jon is always wearing a cap from my alma mater. I mean, he's from the ATL?

that last bit was pretty good.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I am intrigued by the sound of this show.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, the nedfox.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, that monologue from tonight's "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" = SO FUCKING CLASSIC.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

agreed. that was much better than last weeks.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, kayne. . .i'm really not pro-the music bit. more comedy please! I mean, shit, I could watch 106 and Park if I wanted to see this shit.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

And his World Series of Dice character with the Bogart-lip cig better become a recurring character

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, the nedfox.

I like that! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah it's only a half-hour show and one whole segment is taken up by music guests? damn lazy stoner can't write enough material to fill a whole show.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

although i have to say this kitchen setting with the second MC cooking somehting in the background when he's not on the mic is pretty good.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

What season is it in, now?

I'm a fan of the show but regularly tune in. Chappelle is my all time favorite racist, for Half Baked alone. Genius.

I always laugh out loud at at least ONE thing in the show. The only other thing that makes me laugh out loud without fail is The Onion.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 4 March 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the second season.

and I hope you're joking about the "racist" bit.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

haha keep it real, sam

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"WU-TANG!"

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)

diversify your bonds, nigga

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Clackity clackity * 50.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
Making the Band and the beer commercial were weak, but Snoop's 'Dangle' made up for any shortcomings in the episode..

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

worst episode ever, huh? missed the first sketch, but my friends agreed with milo that it was lame.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope they aren't running out of the funny already. The Oprah skit wasn't that great, two bad ones this week, Lil' Jon got old quick.

But the puppets had me rolling. Maybe it's juvenile, the show is weakest when he holds back on the offensive content.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I remember laughing somewhat often last week. I also think I remember being a bit tipsy.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure. Ismo can be charming too, in small doses.

Regardless of what you think of eacg of those individuals (they may not be to everyone's taste) it does appear that one can survive as a standup comic without resorting to anti-trans shit or misogyny or racism in order to be "challenging."

Weird.

I don't even LIKE comedy (that is, I don't go out of my way to seek it out, and I rarely laugh at it), but I can easily think of a dozen professionals who seem to be able do it without making "hurting the vulnerable" the centerpiece of their work.

CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:27 (one year ago)

milo otm fern brady is great

last night i watched george carlin’s first HBO special (1978!!) and was kind of surprised that it was ALL observational comedy, given his later political stuff. it was all so fucking good though. only one or two slightly below par moments in an hour and 15 minutes. and all the observations were basically about how much in common we all have in this hopelessly vain human comedy

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:28 (one year ago)

Tomlinson is getting a late night show after Colbert, good for her, it seems like the right venue for her.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:29 (one year ago)

imagining Bob Newhart performing Asylum rn

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:29 (one year ago)

the only George Carlin bit I'm familiar with is the one they listen to with Joe Mande on Hollywood Handbook

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:30 (one year ago)

lol xpost

That Hollywood Handbook episode where Joe Mande presents a George Carlin special as his own set was funny as hell.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:32 (one year ago)

on the one hand I kinda get why comedians are fucked up, it's the one job where you basically are given like 2 minutes to impress people before they turn on you and humiliate you. but it's also a profession that, y'know, you aren't required to be a part of either.

the best kinds of comedians are the ones who can thrive on adversity and turn it into a win. that involves, idk, laughing at yourself and owning failure. the best comedians were great at that, particularly Pryor.

now feels like most major comedians want to be covered by an invisible force-field when they perform and then call everyone else snowflakes

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:33 (one year ago)

he got off of on the misanthropy on his last specials. more than most people i can think of. carlin.

speaking of pryor, i can't remember who i was listening to online who was talking about how pryor would go into a club and just be really bad. like relentlessly bad. working on stuff. bombing over and over. but that it could be a breathtaking thing to see. because he had no fear, i guess.

scott seward, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:38 (one year ago)

(also people would be expecting the guy from t.v./movies and he would work one bit forever even when it wasn't working. and bum people out. which is kinda funny.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:40 (one year ago)

the thing that really bothers me about what Dave is doing is that he's not even being a "dangerous truth teller", he's literally just making things up. like the stinger on his last special "The Closer" was about his trans comedian friend who committed suicide, and at one point he strongly implies that her suicide might've had something to do with being bullied on Twitter after she came out in support of Chappelle. which I think fits in very snugly with what he's trying to do, suggesting that "cancel culture" or whatever is actually hurting them more than little ol' Dave Chappelle ever could. just one small problem though, she actually never was bullied on Twitter, in fact someone wrote an article saying he literally couldn't find a single negative word about this person related to her support of Chappelle. imo that adds a whole new dimension to the shittiness, like we all know comedians bend the truth here and there, but that's another level. when he tells these stories about trans people being rude and unreasonable to him I now just suspect that he's literally making the whole thing up.

― frogbs

i mean it's the standard MO for transphobes. we see it all the time. y'all ever seen The Copypasta? we have. we see it all the time, any time we ever say anything ever. it doesn't say that we _should_ kill ourselves. it says that we _will_ kill ourselves, inexorably, inevitably. we're told this over and over and over again.

and then whenever one of us does - which happens, a lot - the same people who either send us the copypasta directly or consider it to be _well_ within the limits of "discourse" point and laugh and blame us. and say "ohhhh i thought being trans was supposed to be sooooo great, i thought you were getting to finally be your true self, don't look so great to me, lol"

basically people bully us and abuse us, the same people who have been bullying and abuse us all our lives, and then when we suffer, they blame us for the things they did to us. does this bug you? does this bug you? i'm not touching you.

like i said, i agree with jaclyn moore on this. chappelle being a transphobe isn't even the issue. it's that netflix keeps promoting his transphobia, some people keep making excuses for transphobia, and it doesn't matter whether or not _they're_ personally transphobic or not. it's actions and results. the people who are responsible for the results don't get the actions.

dave chappelle going after candace owens? that's not a coincidence. there are double standards. candace owens, as a woman, she gets held more responsible for shit than men do. a lot of trans women can tell you about it. i can. i've experienced it. when women make mistakes, they're held to a higher standard, they're vilified more, they're attacked more _personally_, than men ever are. than i ever was, when i presented male.

and i mean, i'm sure chappelle goes through the same shit. it does seem to me like black people get held to a higher standard than white people, that when they do bad things somehow it all gets made about their race. even when people defend them, it's saying stuff like "90% of chappelle's audience is black", i mean, what the hell is that? sure yeah let's just make some fucking essentialized link between race and transphobia, _that's_ not fucked up at all. even though i'm fucking white and there's a lot of shit as a result i don't see, i don't _have_ to see, i still see shit like that all the time. it fucking burns me up.

yeah to some extent chappelle is being made a scapegoat. he's being made a scapegoat for a system that perpetrates injustice, for a system that pits marginalized groups against each other, a system that he is also personally a victim of. abuse is a cycle. it's not something where you put Victims on one side and Abusers on the other side. chappelle is both. should he be held responsible for espousing hatred and bigotry? yes, he should. absolutely. you know who i think is _more_ responsible? the people who are actively promoting that hatred and bigotry for _their_ own profit. they're not the ones on tv saying this stuff, though. they're just a _carrier_, and just being a _carrier_ means that they're not held responsible. bullshit.

anyway yeah I Have Opinions

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 18:22 (one year ago)

Tomlinson is getting a late night show after Colbert, good for her, it seems like the right venue for her.

she's hosting the revival of @midnight

is there a good stand up comedian who persistently challenges the idea that seems to have sprung up that the form and the vocation is vital and important and the truth society must view in itself

if someone is good at their job of saying silly things on a stage, and other people are saying stupid and hateful things on other stages, the first person's job does not automatically change to being required to debunk the person who is bad at their job

bae (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:00 (one year ago)

it would certainly be strange if anyone had suggested that!

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:05 (one year ago)

There’s the Hot Pockets guy, I don’t think he thinks he’s, like a philosopher with his lantern looking for one honest man

Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:15 (one year ago)

ive no idea where you're going there sic tbh i thought the question reasonably clear

i guess burr leans towards "we aint important gtfoh" the odd time?

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:18 (one year ago)

xps since when are these people bad at their jobs? this industry has always loved bigots and sex pests and rewarding them for being those things. those things are how you get ahead. it's the people who challenge those things who are bad at their jobs, they make way less money and tend to get blackballed

Left, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:28 (one year ago)

I just can’t categorise that Chapelle clip above as comedy. It’s just a “got chya” clickbaity pat on the back for himself and all those who share his beliefs. It seems so far removed from comedy because if there is a joke in there, it’s so weak and entirely second (or third, fourth, fifth, however low you can go) to making a political point.

Anyways, here’s how you can make a joke about a touchy subject
1. Be a part of that subject
2. Be actually funny

I love Aaron Chen, he’s got a 40 min special on YouTube well worth watching if you like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0mIPtaRGvI

H.P, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:40 (one year ago)

deems if you meant "is there a single good stand-up comedian who just says funny things" then the answer is no, there are lots

bae (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:41 (one year ago)

The thing that I found most valuable about Gadsby’s Nanette was when they broke down the mechanics of a joke, paraphrased: “you are trying to say something that makes the audience uncomfortable enough to elicit laughter, because that’s what laughter is, a response to discomfort.” It makes total sense to me that a comedian like Chappelle might be failing to distinguish between “this is making people laugh” and “this is just making people uncomfortable”. Either way I wish he’d make different, actually funny, jokes. I’ve often said that comedians should be afforded a lower standard of accountability when it comes to the expiry date on their material— jokes that were funny ten years ago might be found to be just straight up insulting (or even hateful) in present day; it’s good to keep in mind that the line comedians have to dance around, for their job, will change and their jokes become less-funny over time. Unless you’re a genius (Dangerfield, Rivers).

he’s an adventurer (derogatory) (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:44 (one year ago)

It makes total sense to me that a comedian like Chappelle might be failing to distinguish between “this is making people laugh” and “this is just making people uncomfortable”.


Cmon he absolutely knows what he’s doing & it’s an insult to the comedian he used to be to suggest otherwise. His show was the former and it was really close to the knuckle at times, now it’s all just sub-Gervais “does it OFFEND you YEAH?” ito execution and style.

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:49 (one year ago)

If you’re accusing me of “insulting Dave Chappelle”, I’ll take it; I’ve never found him funny.

That said I do think you’re right— he’s not generating comedy now so much as caping for what he thinks of as being “free speech”— “I should be allowed to gender people in the way that makes sense to me”. At least Carlin approached this stage of his career with good jokes

he’s an adventurer (derogatory) (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:58 (one year ago)

deems if you meant "is there a single good stand-up comedian who just says funny things" then the answer is no, there are lots

― bae (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:41 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

mayne im imploring you to read what i actually wrote

xps re comedy = making audience uncomfortable, re "comedy must punch up", re "comedy must make the target laugh also" imo all of this is taking views of what any given comedy act can do, sure, but treating any of these personal preferences as imperatives is .... wrong, imo

for thread purposes ofc its irrelevant chappelles stuff isnt funny and most happily the reasons it isnt funny are at least linked to his focusing more on his own self indulgence than being funny

left a chara i think not liking comedy is fine but it cant be ones whole personality, we had a poster or two do that bit before and well they were awful

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:12 (one year ago)

The thing that I found most valuable about Gadsby’s Nanette was when they broke down the mechanics of a joke, paraphrased: “you are trying to say something that makes the audience uncomfortable enough to elicit laughter, because that’s what laughter is, a response to discomfort.” It makes total sense to me that a comedian like Chappelle might be failing to distinguish between “this is making people laugh” and “this is just making people uncomfortable”. Either way I wish he’d make different, actually funny, jokes. I’ve often said that comedians should be afforded a lower standard of accountability when it comes to the expiry date on their material— jokes that were funny ten years ago might be found to be just straight up insulting (or even hateful) in present day; it’s good to keep in mind that the line comedians have to dance around, for their job, will change and their jokes become less-funny over time. Unless you’re a genius (Dangerfield, Rivers).

― he’s an adventurer (derogatory) (flamboyant goon tie included)

laughter isn't the _only_ response to discomfort, though! so is silence. dead fuckin' silence. god, the fucking silences were the worst. when someone stops yelling at you at all and just stops saying _anything_. that's when you don't know what comes next.

of course, that's not comedy, that's childhood trauma. stand-up comedy has nothing whatsoever to do with childhood trauma.

a lot of people don't necessarily have to try to make people uncomfortable around them. some people - including, as it happens, a lot of trans people - have the amazing ability to make people uncomfortable around them just by existing. but i mean, any member of a marginalized group can have that experience. it's not exclusive to trans people by any means. all it really requires is that one not conform to someone else's preconceived expectations.

a comedian who conforms to other people's preconceived expectations is unlikely to be a great comedian.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:35 (one year ago)

left a chara i think not liking comedy is fine but it cant be ones whole personality, we had a poster or two do that bit before and well they were awful

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac)

deems have you read any of left's posts? have you read their _username_? accusing left of making their entire personality about one thing is fine, but hating comedy isn't it.

fwiw from my perspective "hating capitalism and transphobia" is the _ideal_ personality.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:39 (one year ago)

Can we derail this thread to talk about Katt Williams instead? First of all, he's much, much funnier than Dave Chappelle, and second of all, he showed up for a three-hour interview with a flamethrower strapped to his back. And had some extremely insightful thoughts about the craft of comedy, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRRZiRQxTs

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:53 (one year ago)

left a chara i think not liking comedy is fine but it cant be ones whole personality, we had a poster or two do that bit before and well they were awful

I don't know who you're referring to there, the main "I hate comedy" person on ILX was Lex, who I hope you're not calling awful. Anyway I've increasingly come to agree with him, though it's really comedians I hate rather than comedy per se.

Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 09:38 (one year ago)

Hating all comedy is a fine and reasonable position to take, but posting it on comedy threads is pointlessly antagonistic.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 January 2024 09:45 (one year ago)

that may have been a fairer summation, even if i think doing so every now and again as a confirmation is probably fine

i was ofc speaking generally

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 January 2024 09:58 (one year ago)

Gary Gulman, another non-mean comedian (although he can be pretty mean to himself).

CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2024 12:36 (one year ago)

Gulman is one of the funniest guys I've ever seen. We caught him again back in November and he absolutely killed it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2024 12:54 (one year ago)

Hating all comedy is a fine and reasonable position to take

... hold up one sec here.

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:08 (one year ago)

there are things within that category that are probably worth saving but there is something inherently authoritarian about standup comedy. the non-awful standups are like enlightened despots.

Left, Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:30 (one year ago)

uh

the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:30 (one year ago)

Why standup comedy specifically and not, say, slam poetry, or one-person theatrical shows?

the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:31 (one year ago)

because nobody has ever defended those tbf

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:32 (one year ago)

OTM

Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:35 (one year ago)

pretty booming column from Bramesco on this

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/jan/03/dave-chappelle-the-dreamer-ricky-gervais-armageddon-netflix

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:39 (one year ago)

Okay maybe Left has a point

the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:42 (one year ago)

xps lol

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:54 (one year ago)

To the quaveringly earnest strains of Daydreaming by Radiohead, he smokes a cigarette in silhouette, as if taking a cue from Dewey Cox to think about his whole life before he goes onstage.

Does this mean Radiohead OK'd the use of its music for him? Wasn't one of the Radiohead guys caught up in some at least fleeting transphobic twitter thing?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2024 14:51 (one year ago)

Jonny Greenwood

Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

There’s the Hot Pockets guy, I don’t think he thinks he’s, like a philosopher with his lantern looking for one honest man

I saw a recent clip of Gaffigan on Bill Maher's show gently pushing back against Maher's anti-Union bullshit.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:04 (one year ago)

Does this mean Radiohead OK'd the use of its music for him? Wasn't one of the Radiohead guys caught up in some at least fleeting transphobic twitter thing?

― Josh in Chicago

jonny greenwood is a transphobe, yes

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:12 (one year ago)

There’s the Hot Pockets guy, I don’t think he thinks he’s, like a philosopher with his lantern looking for one honest man

Gaffigan's most recent special is pretty fucking dark. Not quite Marc Maron dark, but definitely in that neighborhood.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:15 (one year ago)

When Gaffigan denounced Trump there were loads of butthurt conservatives whining about how he wasn't supposed to talk about politics

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:21 (one year ago)

Gaffigan’s segments on CBS Sunday Morning are getting to be almost suicidally depressed.

Chris L, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:00 (one year ago)

No that would be me, watching Gaffigan's CBS Sunday Morning segments

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:04 (one year ago)

(jk I fast forward through them)

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:04 (one year ago)

Gaffigan’s segments on CBS Sunday Morning are getting to be almost suicidally depressed.


Huh, hadn’t been following him recently.

Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:57 (one year ago)

going back up to Katt Williams upthread (I missed that discussion)...I'm a little lukewarm on the praise he's getting for his interview, not because I disagree with the central points he's making, or anything like that, but because he always seems to sidestep his own toxic past.

he told a Mexican heckler to "go the fuck back to Mexico" in an unhinged rant, and never really adequately apologized for it, as well as physically assaulting a 17 year old, physically assaulting a woman at a hotel and leaving visible bruises, and beating an 18 year old with a bottle. He never really took accountability from what I could see, blamed the people he assaulted most of the time.

He seems to have left that behind and I did enjoy his last special and I do like the dude, and don't want him to be 'cancelled' or anything, but if he's crate-digging into other people's pasts as far back as he's going, why couldn't he take the opportunity to admit his own role in toxicity, rather than elevating himself above the people he's critiquing?

idk...I still found his last special funny.

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 January 2024 22:56 (one year ago)

Williams is definitely not a 100% good dude, and there are several moments in that interview where the host asks him about shit that might reflect badly on him and he freezes up and goes very noticeably silent for a long time before answering in a much more measured fashion than when he's discussing other subjects. So yeah. Agree.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:52 (one year ago)


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