Cleaner becomes art critic...

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So, kinda ironic that someone gets £5 per hour to clean up rubbish, whilst someone else can make thousands by 'installing' it.

james, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So, should things like this be considered art? I'm in two minds personally...Yes, it's art, but no, it's not worth thousands of pounds. Would a video of the cleaner tidying up the installation be a much bolder statement?

james, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think hirst realized it was a fuck you satire , but bacons studio was moved across country and set up in dublin peice by peice. its critics that detrimine prices and really nothign to do w. the quilty of the art !

anthonyeaston, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love this.

Hirst's works often draw a crowd

Three people?

Mascara, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So, kinda ironic that someone gets £5 per hour to clean up rubbish, whilst someone else can make thousands by 'installing' it.

Two points. People (like Hirst) who see things in a metaphorical way usually get paid more than people (like the cleaner) who see things in a literal way. Symbolic thinking is simply a more advanced cognitive skill which deserves recognition and remuneration.

Secondly, although I'm not a huge fan of Hirst's work, I thought the high point of his show at Gagosian this year was the series of shabby vitrines filled with bar heaters, tabloid newspapers, half-eaten sandwiches and the like. These works really summed up the shabbiness of 20th century Britain. The cleaner was taken in because they were actually incredibly realistic little collages of shoddy, shabby British detritus. It wouldn't be the first time a piece of satire has passed for the thing it's lampooning. (Thinks back to his own savage Stock, Aitken and Waterman pastiches fooling the folks at daytime Radio 1...)

Momus, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think though by the article that this was but together rather slapdahedly. i think hirst is glad for the publicity

anthonyeaston, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Richard Allinson was taking the populist "ha ha ha" line on this on Radio 2 yesterday afternoon. Of course, he was standing in for (and sounding exactly like) Steve Wright, who memorably fell for "Hairstyle of the Devil". Whatever goes through their minds, eh?

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As usual, Beuys was here first: a cleaning lady *not* in the pay of the artist cleaned up one of Joseph B's fat sculptures in the early 80s. Until someone proves otherwise, I'm assuming the "cleaning lady" here is a secret Hirst assistant.

I like Momus's rationale a lot and wish I had been aware of it as a small boy: when told by ma to clean up my stinking pigpit of a bedroom I could have taken a very arty line indeed, and perhaps gotten MORE POCKET MONEY FOR LEAVING IT AS IT WAS HURRAH!!!

mark s, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Andrew Sullivan's blogged something about this incident. His comment? "NOT THE ONION: But it could be." Hmm...gotta disagree with that, Andy. You see, while the folks at the Onion might find "Janitor Mistakes Modern Art For Trash" funny, I'm positive they'd find "Gay Catholic Conservative Boasts 'Power Glutes'" much, much funnier.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In a way, the recreation of Hirst's partially tidied work destroys the concepual power of the piece--if the thing was just random trash to begin with, than alternative configurations of said trash should be equally valid as artwork whether created by Hirst, the Janitor, or a gallery assistant. Postmodernism=the author is dead right? So fuck Hirst, give the janitor a show!

Momus, your point about metaphoric thinking seems a bit out of context. The issue here is more about what kinds of vocations are priviliged. Who knows, maybe this janitor was aware of Hirst's work and was simply making a practical joke??

turner, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What could be more 'literal' than a free market which ensures that the most prosaic morons will rise to the top? Certainly, any sort of 'metaphoric thinking' is an excrescence in such an economy. In my hometown, any pretensions to industry are being abandoned in favor of getting the poor and working-class to just give their money to Donald Trump. Interestingly, the 'common man' image is frequently used symbolically, so someone hasn't been getting their proper cut in this exchange.

Kerry, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I kind of agree with Momus. I think. Hirst clearly knows what he is doing, and enjoys pissing off the people at large. I think that he 'installed' the rubbish as yet another joke, frankly, and if he can get away with it, all power to him.

Bill, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the key thing here is that the cleaner guy said "It didn't look much like art to me" which goes to show that The Public still have very fixed views regarding what Art can be, what Art should look like.

jamesmichaelward, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

maybe if you had been paid to get rid of something your entire life you wouldn't think it was art too.

ethan, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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