Characters that are blatant knockoffs of old TV shows. Whats worse, they end up losing all the charm and nuance of the originals. If they can't make an interesting knock-off of a hamfist like Rodney Dangerfield...what made them think they could successfully clone the subtleties of Jackie Gleason or Art Carney in their prime?Dialogue so inane it's not even funny to a 3 year old. Even old episodes of Superfriends are less groan-inducingly lame than The Flintstones.They are all so leadenly paced. They are half the intensity of a Disney cartoon...which is half the intensity of a Warner Brothers cartoon...which is half the intensity of a Tom and Jerry cartoon. My personal preference is a pace like Tom and Jerry Cartoons -- ie. Constant crazed crack-fiend speed slapstick -- but I can tolerate Warner Brothers because they are witty and inventive. In stark contrast to Hanna Barbara...which is like watching paint dry.Irritating sound effects that seem to have nothing to do with the source of the sound. Why does walk on tiptoes sound like a speedfreak playing the high notes on a xylophone? Why do they use the plucking of high strings to make the "shake head violently to clear mind" sound? These just set my teeth on edge.Their penchant for being turned into egregiously wretched feature films. The mere existence of "The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas" more than justifies the immediate annihilation of the Hanna Barbara cartoon archives.
Grrrrr.
* Note = I'm told that Johnny Quest is a Hanna Barbara 'toon. I can't bring myself to believe it. It doesn't stink enough to be a Hanna Barbara.
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― pete s, Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)
As it stands...Any Hanna Barbara Characters >>>>> Mickey Mouse >> Donald Duck >> Daffy Duck (in current moronic asshole mode) >> Goofy >> Most Warner Brothers Characters >> Tom and Jerry >> Droopy* >> Yosemite Sam
* Note = No-one seems to remember Droopy! or the bulldog with irish accent or southern wolf who tormented Droopy. This is a crime against humanity.
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― chris j (chris j), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 7 March 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― chris j (chris j), Sunday, 7 March 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)
That's because he didn't have one -- he went around in nothing but a hat and bowtie, the perv.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 March 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 7 March 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― earlnash, Sunday, 7 March 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)
HOLY SHIT
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Sunday, 7 March 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 March 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 March 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)
FONZIE NOOOOOOOOOO
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 7 March 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.lessheart.blogger.com.br/barbapapa.gif
Love,
― Gennifer Flowers, Sunday, 7 March 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Enough reason to detroy Hanna Barbara.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)
...look around and examine a colon...Sorry. Not allowed. Haven't gotten my doctorate in proctology yet.
...that has never fully digested the wonder that was Jinx the Cat on "Pixie and Dixie."Pixie and Dixie? This doesn't ring any bells.
His dialogue was so surreal, so burned-out-hipster (sounds like Eugene Levy's character in A Mighty Wind, really), and so purely malevolent that he belongs in anyone's all-time top three.I'll take your word for it.
You're basically just hating the lack of bling in H-B, and that ain't cool...I wasn't bothered by the 'low production value' or the stiff animation (though these seem to irritate everyone else) I'm mostly aggravated by
lame characters.Bad, unfunny dialogue.Pacing like the Bataan Death March.Awful, counter-intuitive, annoying sound effects.Rotten movie tie-ins.
...they were gallant indie fuXXors...No. Hanna-Barbara:Gallant-Indie-Fuxxors :: Knack-Cover-Band:'77-Punk.
...and they had Top Cat...Okay, Score one for the defense. I'll admit that Top Cat was much better than the abysmal average. I think it has alot to do with me not knowing what 50s/60s TV show they were ripping off for character concepts. (Anyone have any ideas?)
...and they had the Laff-a-Lympics...and score one for the prosecution...
...with Paul Lynde...two for the prosection...
...Grape to the motherfuckin' Ape...three for the prosecution...
...and I can't believe I'm even discussing this with you.Because this issue is more important than the hole in the ozone layer!(Though it might be an indirect cause of the hole in the ozone layer...)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.tvtome.com/images/shows/21/0/72-6590-sm.jpg -vs- http://members.aol.com/Polecattt/ss8.jpgUA -vs- HB
"I shoulda been a banker" -vs- "I dunno, Secret"
― dave225 (Dave225), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― zappi (joni), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)
Comparing the pacing in H-B cartoons to Disney or Warner Brothers cartoons is silly; the latter are shorts, aired without commercial breaks, and the H-B cartoons tend to the 15 minute or 30 minute slots, made for TV.
I'm assuming Custos is young enough to have gotten the Hanna-Barbera stuff "all in a lump," so to speak, because I'm not sure what to make of this otherwise:
If they can't make an interesting knock-off of a hamfist like Rodney Dangerfield...what made them think they could successfully clone the subtleties of Jackie Gleason or Art Carney in their prime?
Did I miss a cartoon based on a really young Rodney Dangerfield, or are you actually asking why a 1960s hit wasn't informed by a 1990s failure?
― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)
(Custos seems to be asking why George Lucas thought a trilogy about Anakin's kids would be good when Annie was so annoying in The Phantom Menace.)
― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 8 March 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)
And there was a bitchy woman named Lotta Litter who liked to litter - a lot.
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
It amazes me a little to find out, via Google, that Gilligan's Planet was Filmation, not Hanna Barbera. It kinda seems up the latter's alley.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Jabberjaw = Rodney Dangerfield derives
(via connecting DePatie-Freleng element of Mr. Jaws)
from
Anteater = Jackie Mason ?!?
(I dunno, the chronology could be off ...)
― captain gay, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)
http://img.search.com/e/e0/300px-Dastardly_muttley_cast.jpg
Muttley = GENIUS Klunk = GENIUS
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:28 (seventeen years ago)
I think Neil Young was excellent as the voice of Zilly.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:30 (seventeen years ago)
Wacky Races - one of only two programmes I know whose theme tune has no tune (the other one is the Abbott and Costello cartoons but I don't think that was HB).
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:31 (seventeen years ago)
Wow. Paul Winchell: The voice of Dick Dastardly AND Tigger....
some additional info.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:32 (seventeen years ago)
Zilly later did a fairly good job as manager of Scotland, using his real name of Craig Brown
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:32 (seventeen years ago)
xpost the tune was obliterated by the voice over (chained to the post by Dick Dastardly, etc..)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:33 (seventeen years ago)
No, I've got it on the Tunes From The Toons CD and below the commentary there is no discernible top line of melody. But then you could say the same about "Sultans Of Swing" by Dire Straits.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:35 (seventeen years ago)
That's why Geir refuses to watch it then
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:37 (seventeen years ago)
Arkansas Chug-a-Bug possible reference to amelodic Hip Hops music.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:42 (seventeen years ago)
hmm, proto rap then, definitely.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:53 (seventeen years ago)
^Agreed. First of all Dexter's Lab is highly iconic (in my house) so I don't see your point second; you're wrong. Hanna Barbara is good stuff, not always and I'm one of those that hated Top Cat but otherwise, pretty classic. http://www.johnrozum.com/images/batfink.jpg <<--Who came up with this slice of genius?
― VeronaInTheClub, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:55 (seventeen years ago)
So the moral is: HB cartoons television, variable quality.
-- Mark G
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:55 (seventeen years ago)
That's not Hanna Barbera (xp)
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:56 (seventeen years ago)
The Flintstones The Yogi Bear Show The Jetsons Jonny Quest Scooby-Doo Super-Friends
^^ six of the best cartoons ever
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:56 (seventeen years ago)
OK, let's try and remember the worst of them..
"Grape Ape" - An ape that used to go round saying "Grape Ape" all the time. Apart from when he had had some grapes, at which point he'd get super strength.
To what end, I can't remember.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:57 (seventeen years ago)
Never seen that or The Jetsons, Jonny Quest or Super-Friends
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:58 (seventeen years ago)
We never got the Jetsons or Jonny/Johnny Quest in the UK.
There were an abnormal number of second string HB productions as well; Touche Turtle, Wally Gator, Magilla Gorilla, Pixie & Dixie and other stalwarts of the Glen Michael Cavalcade and Ali Bongo's Cartoon Carnival circuit.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 09:59 (seventeen years ago)
We got the Jetsons occasionally. Touche Turtle was crap, Pixie and Dixie was seminal for those of us who hate meeces to pieces, never saw Magilla Gorilla.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:01 (seventeen years ago)
We did so get the Jetsons!
It was only made for a very short time and stopped because it hadn't 'hit'.
(xpost)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:01 (seventeen years ago)
jetsons is A+
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:02 (seventeen years ago)
so how about filmation and ruby-spears?
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:03 (seventeen years ago)
I vaguely remember 'SuperFriends'
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Super_Friends.jpg From Wiki: In part, it was feared that the name Justice League of America would have seemed too jingoistic during the Vietnam War and post-Vietnam War Era.
Too Damn Right!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:04 (seventeen years ago)
http://img.search.com/e/e0/300px-Dastardly_muttley_cast.jpg At the LZBC clubhouse: L-R: Passantino, Jagger, Noodle, Enriquit.
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:04 (seventeen years ago)
I really do not recall the Jetsons being on TV at all. I always used to see them mentioned in American comics and think wtf? Maybe they just never played on STV.
Filmation was shark-jumping time.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:05 (seventeen years ago)
Were Seven Arts a subsidiary of HB? The only thing I ever remember seeing by them was Marine Boy.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:06 (seventeen years ago)
http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/160/551/46/dd.jpg
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:06 (seventeen years ago)
Those dreaded words...
"... and viewers in Scotland have their own programme"
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:08 (seventeen years ago)
We got a Rankin/Bass show called Tomfoolery in the early 70s, which as far as I remember was Yellow Submarine-esque animations of Edward Lear poems. It was my favourite thing as a pre-schooler, would dearly love to see some of it today.
xpost Deputy Dawg was the DADDY
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:08 (seventeen years ago)
Yes "Tomfoolery" was the business
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:09 (seventeen years ago)
Tomfoolery was shown just before Wait til Your Father Gets Home, btw. But I usually went out to play once that came on.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:09 (seventeen years ago)
I remember Tomfoolery - that was weird! Quite a lot of the "pay the two dollars" routine IIRC.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:10 (seventeen years ago)
After 30-odd years I can still sing the theme tune.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:10 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.transdiffusion.org/emc/behindthescreens/images/300sept-db-westward.jpg
SLOW DOWN!
ahem. xpost.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:10 (seventeen years ago)
If I could remember them all I'd do a poll of the great programmes we missed on Thursday on account of fucking Current Account.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:12 (seventeen years ago)
Armando Ianucci did a sketch about this
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:13 (seventeen years ago)
Yes and I once played it over the 'phone to Tommy Boyd on his Human Zoo show. The one about the live coverage of the Second Coming and/or Last Trump except for viewers in Scotland who have something with Paul Coia in it.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:16 (seventeen years ago)
I think it was "a quiz show about hills with Paul Coia"
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:17 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7scMC7YSDQ
Check it yourself
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:19 (seventeen years ago)
Where is Paul Coia band now?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:20 (seventeen years ago)
developing self-deprication: http://www.paulcoia.com/tv.html
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:21 (seventeen years ago)
Him and Lou Macari helped put Italian Scots on the cultural map
― Tom D., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:23 (seventeen years ago)
And Lena Zavaroni
Also Tutti Frutti.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:23 (seventeen years ago)
I'm saying nothing.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:27 (seventeen years ago)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Fonz_and_Happy_Days_Gang.jpg
lol @ the gratuitous addition of a dog named "Mr. Cool" to the cast of The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang
― southern dads get tuckered out, totally (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 14 December 2009 09:29 (sixteen years ago)
Who remembers the added dog in the "Osmonds" Cartoon?
Is it the "let's add something we know" factor?
― Mark G, Monday, 14 December 2009 09:33 (sixteen years ago)
Complete history of Scrappy Doo:
http://www.povonline.com/scrappydays/scrappy01.htm
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 December 2009 10:14 (sixteen years ago)
Great story.
― Mark G, Monday, 14 December 2009 10:31 (sixteen years ago)
Via Mark Evanier: an animator named Roger Evans has a Jonny Quest fan site and did a stop-motion version of the JQ opening titles.
http://www.jonnyquest.tv/
Video at the link. Vimeo, otherwise I'd embed it here.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 4 September 2011 13:16 (fourteen years ago)
That's amazing!
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 September 2011 14:22 (fourteen years ago)