marc quinn

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i dont know, it strikes me as sort of explotive, like "see, even crips can be pretty"...and his connecting it to late classicism seems whacky.

so tell me im wrong

anthony, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it, anything that makes Brian Sewell incandescent is good in my book, all we need is for Maggie Hambling to climb to the top of Nelson's Column and throw herself off in protest and I'll be a happy man.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

who is maggie hambling

anthnony, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

one of the most awful people in the world - and a really really crap sculptor (plus, i think, friend of Sewell)

she did a monstrosity to commemorate Oscar Wilde somewhere off Trafalgar Square

chris (chris), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I say yawn. It's a poor, overly simplistic idea. Classical scupltures of people with limb deformities. That's it. He's got it in him to do genuinely interesting works that can't be flippantly dismissed. this and the blood head.

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

A friend of mine just asked me why I thought this was crap. Here's what I wrote:

Classical art istraditionally held up as the apotheosis of western art, certainly its origin. They are what our traditional sense of artisitic beauty is based upon - reality, representation, literalness etc. People with limb deformities have been traditionally treated as ugly, crippled etc. Both of these perspectives have undergone a substantial change over the last 150 years; classical art has lost it's prime place in the canon, cripples are now accepted as regular folk.

Quinn is therefore dealing with one of two things - either he is saying that people with limb deformities are just as beautiful and important as the people who are tradtionally represented by classical art or he is saying that classical art is treated as a cripple in today's art world where it has little credence. The former is simplistic, bland and overly utopian, the latter is just stupid and insensitive.

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Does the fact that he is friends with the subject change anything?

I read an interview with her this morning and sh ecertainly doesn't seem patronised or offended by it, in fact the only peeve she seems to have is that it's not one of her own works going up.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. The sculpture is at least four years old, and it's not as if she's the only disabled person portrayed on a plinth there.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Your analysis leaves out a lot of other possible meanings. For instance, the fact that Alison Lapper is not just disabled but pregnant. That she is about to give birth to a healthy and normal baby. (She already has.) The fact that Lord Nelson, on his plinth, is also disabled: he lost an eye and an arm. The fact that whereas Nelson's disabilities were compensated thanks to a lot of blood, Lapper's have been compensated by sperm. (I made a joke on my blog about this: 'Before victory restored it, bloody battle with Napoleon marred the body of Britain's most famous able-bodied seaman. Lapper's body, disabled by drugs, has been restored by able-bodied semen.' The fact that Britain's most phallic monument to a dead (and killing) male has been 'balanced' by a monument to a living (and pregnant) female. And so on...

I think the resonances are fantastic and subtle and powerful.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(The 'you' there was Hmmm...)

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't aware for the friends/nelson thing as I quickly googled only this. The subjects here are "portraits of actual people with missing, amputated, or deformed limbs, survivors of car crashes, motorcycle accidents, birth defects, or in the case of Selma Mustajbasic, a café bombing in Sarajevo. Three are athletes: Stuart Penn is a kickboxer; Jamie Gillespie, who lost one leg, is a runner. Peter Hull, born without arms or legs, won a gold medal for swimming in the Paralympics." I don't think his friendship with one of the subjects is of any consequence.

Your point about postioning it beside Nelson is valid. It is an interesting comparison which perhaps could have been made more interesting by using one of the more celebrated subjects (i.e. the atheletes). The Chapman Brother's 'Ubermensch' (Stephen Hawking thingy) would be a more effective way of making the same point if displayed here - the materials, technique and subject are all late 20th century updates of the same process of celebration that went into Nelson's scuplture.

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

'Restored by able-bodied semen', pfft. Wow! Just one magic shot of man juice and EVERYTHING'S BETTER...I don't think so.

This is exactly like the Aimee Mullins/Matthew Barney collaboration.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Restored by able-bodied semen', pfft. Wow! Just one magic shot of man juice and EVERYTHING'S BETTER...I don't think so.

Suzy, put yourself in Lapper's position. Your own body is so fucked by drugs that you have no arms and penguin legs. You can't do much. But one thing you can do is have a healthy child. It makes a huge difference to your life. As, I'd imagine, does becoming a new national hero in Trafalgar Square.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(And anyone who thinks that redemptive fluids are not part of Marc Quinn's work doesn't know Marc Quinn's work.)

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably, but I loathe the male affectation of talking about spunk like it's holy water.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Regardless of the benefit of a child for Ms. Lapper, I loathe the male affectation of talking about spunk like it's holy water.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Straw man. I don't know any males who talk of spunk like it's holy water.

male, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"I've tossed universes in my underpants...........while Napping"

Bill Hicks

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Wicker man, macrame man, whatever, you're sheltered and wrong.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

thats the other thing, is she only a hero b/c she replaced her (broken) body w. an able bodied one ?

is this a return to the cult of mother hood...and i think that suzy is right when she says semen=holy water, and how wanky it is.

anthony, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, semen is pretty wanky.

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

You're all so binary! Just relish those buzzy resonances! They're spurting out everywhere!

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Well Suzy... I don't know what circles you move in. Different ones to mine, surely. But I neither talk about my spunk as if it's holy water and nor can I remember hearing anyone do it. And I really don't believe it's a very common attitude - at least not without a large dose of irony. So I conclude you were just taking a cheap shot.

male, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Face or tits, Male?

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.thegully.com/essays/realitybytes/img_realbytes/grinch.jpg

This is the semen Grinch.

Whenever you see this sign, you must stop discusing semen.

When the Grinch appears, quickly and calmly leave the place where you have been semenizing.

Use escape hatches as indicated by Grinch staff.

Leave all valuables and baggage behind.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)


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