My DVD players keep breaking

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My DVD player's dying again. We just bought this one in November or so, I think it was, maybe October -- but I use it a lot. It's bound to be near 1000 hours of play at this point, unless my math sucks.

I'm having the same problem I had last time: it skips frequently, even on brand-new discs, even when the lens has just been cleaned, and some discs it either won't play at all (I put the disc in, and the DVD player just sits there on the generic "power on, no disc" screen, no matter what combination of power-on, disc-in, play I use), or it takes several tries for it to read it.

The last time, we bought a new DVD player instead of a lens cleaner because honestly, the price difference was only like $15. This time, I assume I'm paying the price for buying a cheap DVD player and then using it six to ten hours a day.

So I wonder, do I get another cheap one, and sort of treat them as semi-disposable? (Cheap DVD players are very cheap; the money-logic works the same as buying a couple movies you'll only watch two times.) Do I go ahead and buy one of the portable ones, as long as I'm buying a new one? That'll run me a hundred dollars more than the cheap ones, but it's still cheaper than when I first had a DVD player.

Or do I get a good DVD player, one built to last etc. etc., and is that really cheaper than buying a new $40 every few months, or does it just feel cheaper because there's less shopping involved?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, dude, what the fuck are you doing with these DVD players?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, first of all, the DVD player only plays DVDs. You can't warm up mini-pizzas on the tray with the laser.

Sounds to me like bad luck. I don't think the cheap ones should wear out that fast. I tend to doubt a more expensive one would give you better service. Just more features you may or may not need.

Skottie, Monday, 29 March 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, dude, what the fuck are you doing with these DVD players?

I know! That's what I was wondering. If I still smoked, it'd be one thing: but I've never once smoked inside this apartment, and quit smoking altogether within a couple weeks of buying this one. I had a VCR that got fucked up by being around heavy smoking, but that was over a much longer period of time, and it probably could've been fixed.

What I run into is the problem of "well, this could be repaired," but the cost of repair is comparable to the cost of replacement these days, with less guarantee.

I treat my DVDs well. When there's a smudge, I clean it with lens cleaner in a radial motion. I always put DVDs and CDs back in the cases, and don't leave them laying around willy-nilly; if a jewel case breaks, I buy a new one. I'm as scrupulous about that as I am about taking care of my good knives. I have no clue what I could be doing to wear these things out, beyond simply using them often.

Sounds to me like bad luck. I don't think the cheap ones should wear out that fast. I tend to doubt a more expensive one would give you better service. Just more features you may or may not need.

That's my thinking too. I'm trying to look at it in terms of "how many hours of use am I getting per dollar," and I don't think a DVD player that costs five times as much will give me five times as much use. Even the cheap one has the angle/audio/subtitle buttons and plays CDs and mp3s, and other than multi-regional capability I can't think of anything I would be interested in enough to pay for.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(And I end up not buying the extended warranty, since those are usually flat-fee, i.e. the cheaper the product is, the more expensive relative to the price of replacement the warranty becomes.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

(This is sparked in part by the fact that the player is currently refusing to play Bullitt, which I just bought the day before yesterday.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

In terms of quality, the multi laser pick ups and features like that on the more expensive models are only useful in compensating for dirty or damaged disks. If the cheaper models can read the disk at all, the quality of the output signal will be the same regardless of cost. It sounds like you are more than scrupulous in your handling of the disks themselves. I can't imagine you'd need to clean the lens at all in that case in the span of a few months. The tarry atmosphere of a heavy smoker's house is an interesting possiblity that I hadn't thought of, but you've eliminated that. I say keep buying the cheap ones. You'll get one that will last years, I suspect.

Skottie, Monday, 29 March 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Weird, now -- on the fourth try -- it reads the disc but not the menu (it's one of the "play the movie by default" discs apparently, and if I try to button-out to menu it freezes and shuts off).

I sometimes wonder if using Netflix and rented movies is "contaminating" my player at all, but it's not like the discs are covered in cum and pinesap, or I'd probably notice, and I'm under the impression that's less of a danger with DVDs than videocassettes anyway.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're buying cheapo DVD players, yeah, unfortunately you're probably getting what you pay for. Companies aren't putting out their DVD players for $50 out of the goodness of their hearts, really, they're most likely cutting corners somewhere and putting out a player that will run for long enough to satisfy the majority of people who wouldn't spend more than $50 on it. If you're watching DVDs as often as it looks like (my calculation of 6 months and 1000 hours is breaking down to 5 hours a day, unless I'm doing something really really wrong) you really should invest in a good brand-name player that has good reliability ratings from consumers (there are plenty of sites out there that allow users to grade consumer electronics).

One thing worth asking, when you were doing your calculations...did you count the time the discs spend idling while you're making menu choices? Do you tend to turn the DVD player on and then leave it on a menu for long periods? Because it's still technically playing while it's on a menu screen.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I clean it with lens cleaner in a radial motion.

Bzzzzzt

WRONG

http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/disc_care/cleaning.html

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I got a 'quite cheap' one (£50) from Richer Sounds. so do not go to woolworths if you can avoid it.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Last but not least, I gotta say that I find the idea of treating stuff like this as "disposable" is kind of troubling, because it just means all the more chemicals, components and silicon waste due to the manufacture and tossing of these things. I've heard it claimed that the home PC uses up many times its weight in harsh chemicals to create and finish, or something like that, and I can't imagine that a DVD player wouldn't do the same. If you keep buying cheap and chucking it out when it breaks a few months later, then buying cheap again, it rewards the people that build it cheap so you'll have to keep buying again.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 29 March 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

!! Weird. The "radial motion" is right on the instructions of the cleaning solution.

And yeah, I don't like treating these as disposable either, which is why I brought it up -- but by the same token, if I were to buy a $200 DVD player and it broke just as fast, I'm doing no less damage and I'm out a DVD player anyway. If a better DVD player really will last considerably longer, I'm all for that -- I don't want to have to budget for player replacement.

(And I don't leave the disc idling; when I'm not watching something, I turn the player off, usually empty unless I'm planning on watching the commentary track later or something. 5 hours a day is probably right as an average, to take into account days when I'm not home.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Coincidentally, my girlfriend's Discman needs replacing since she accidentally dropped it in water last night -- so I'll be at a store anyway sometime soon. If anyone has any testimonials about brands, models, etc., good or bad ... ?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the solution is to stop watching so many DVDs

all discman seem to die after 7 months. They're crap! I hate them.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 29 March 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I've had the same discman since 1999.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 29 March 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

That was built to withstand Y2K, though, that's a special case. Not many Discmen these days come with a Power Bar dispenser and fallout shelter.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I clean it with lens cleaner in a radial motion.

Bzzzzzt

WRONG

http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/disc_care/cleaning.html

Umm...that site says to clean it from straight from the inside to the outside of the disc...which is radial motion (aka as a radius).

Anyway, my advice to get a model from a name-brand. Never had one go wrong on me; I have had several different ones, but that's solely b/c of moving and things, not failure.

And yeah, treat your babies discs well. If you're England, I second the recommendation on Richer Sounds.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 29 March 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, I actually meant what are you doing that involves watching 10 hours of DVDs a day?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

stop putting peanut butter in them

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Dammit I was about to post the same answer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, watching movies, generally. Sometimes playing CDs. I work best with movies or music in the background, and I'm home four or five days out of seven. I tend to treat a lot of movies the way people treat albus, too, i.e. "I'll put it in over and over again" instead of "I've already heard it, why would I listen to it again?"

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Umm...that site says to clean it from straight from the inside to the outside of the disc...which is radial motion (aka as a radius).

"Distally" might be more descriptive, as "radial" could mean from outside to in. I suppose this isn't physiology. Perhaps we've become so accustomed to hearing about radial tires that the word suggests circular motion to many of us.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

*shrug*

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 29 March 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you hump them?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 March 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

If so...stop it.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 March 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

my sony and panasonic players have done quite well over the years. brand name still does mean something believe it or not. if you want ultra-durability, go for denon if you can find stuff from them around

todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 29 March 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Went to Best Buy today and had long talk with salesgirl (Best Buy wasn't here yet when last this happened, which made my local options very slim). They offer a long-term in-house (like, no mailing it off somewhere) parts-and-labor warranty that includes cleaning, button replacement, basically anything I want done to it. I figure, I can't lose, right? If the DVD player breaks quickly again, I get it fixed for free. If it doesn't break, good.

Sleeping on it for a few days before deciding on a model, though. They have both Sony and Panasonic in my price range, with comparable features.

(She also said my problem isn't uncommon and she's heard a number of people say roughly the same thing in the three months the store has been open.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 March 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Sleeping on it for a few days before deciding on a model, though

At last we discover where Tep has been going wrong.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(I was going to make the same response as strongo, only instead of "peanut butter" I was going to say "your dick".)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

My DVD player will sometimes just pause, or freeze, or slow down to weird jerky motions, and its invariably during the best part of the disc. And there's really nothing I can do, but hope that it will go back to normal. Once, when I was watching Wicker Man it just froze during the best scene and couldn't rectify. Also, the first disc of Buffy season 1 isn't recognised but then I take it out and wipe it off and it is. I don't like this stoppy stuff -- that never happened with tapes.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Now that my pills have worn off a little and I'm more lucid -- the way the salesgirl put it today, if anyone else is considering DVD player purchase, was basically "the first $100 you're spending on basic functionality and cosmetics [the only difference between two models from the same company, with a $20 gap between them, was an LCD display for the track number/runtime], the next few hundred go for extra functions, and at about $600 you actually start paying for longer life and durability." I don't know how true that is, how generalized, or how specific to the brands and models they carried. (There was a sharp distinction between the low-end, middling, and high-end models on display, with clearcut jumps in price to let you know which you were looking at, but that seems pretty typical of electronics and appliances.)

What I'm leaning towards, barring some spectacular online deal or negative review, is buying a Sony or Panasonic at the low price end of the middling group (the rest of the group is largely concerned with adding features I won't benefit from, like surround sound and SACD; I have a bottom-shelf television because the movers broke mine, and even though I can afford to get a better one now, I have nothing non-wasteful to do with a perfectly working television). I'll get the four year warranty, which kicks the price up a fair bit but is leagues cheaper than the cost of four years' worth of replacements.

(Presumably in four years I'll want to upgrade to the new blowjob-and-donut-dispensing models anyway.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I had to exchange several DVD players to find one I liked. High-pitched whines/scrapes/squeals drive me crazy, and everything less than $100 was loud enough to be a bother.

I like my Sony DVP-NS725P, it was ~$129 from Fry's six months ago, and quiet enough not to bother me.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Get an Xbox, and have it modded. It's all you'll ever need (plus you can play video games with it).

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I now have a mental image of Tep's DVD player doing the windmill.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

A friend suggested a Playstation 2, but I don't really want a game console in the house (it's too easily distracting and not multitaskable) and I figure, if my DVD luck kept up, that'd mean I'd be out a Playstation (or Xbox) as well as the DVD player.

xpost; if the windmill has anything to do with donuts and blowjobs, please point me to the sales counter

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.kent.k12.wa.us/staff/trobinso/physicspages/PhysOf99/Break-JLee/windmill.gif

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

One out of two ain't bad.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)


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