If the report is to be believed, Shia militia killing US troops in Baghdad...

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Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 April 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Troops or mercenaries?

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 4 April 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Troops. And for-profit or not, a dead person is a dead person.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 4 April 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Report of 130 US troops killed in the Sunni Triangle today. Doesn't sound like the Shia to me.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

A supposed Al Qaeda message today called on Sunni to fight Shia, but this report says that in some places they're uniting against the US.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Meanwhile, Najaf falls to al-Sadr's people

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The purported Zarqawi message

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

130??? good lord

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

they're only saying 12 in the US press.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I read 13 on another site so maybe it was a typo.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC says a dozen, 20 more casualties and 100+ Iraqi dead.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

U.S. Says It Won't Move Quickly Against Sadr

Very recent New York Times headline.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The situation seems to be deteriorating by the hour. Shia and Sunni radical groups both attacking coalition troups, mainly in the US zone, the british zone is much quieter for now. Plus Al'Quaeda is calling for Iraqi sunnis to crush the Shia. The coalition is rapidly loosing control. I unfortunately predict that at some point soon a group of coalition troups will be encircled and slaughtered by rebel iraqis. It nearly happened yesterday in Najaf where groups of Italian soldiers in Najaf were left controlling the bridges with hostile elements on both sides. There is no quick and easy exit from Iraq, a lot of people on both sides seem set to loose their lives and as the situation deteriorates the chance of all out civil war seems more and more likely.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Civil war is obviously a possibility. The question is how many people decide it's not in their interest to have a civil war. So far, Sistani and the more moderate Shiites seem to want to keep a lid on things, at least until the big-deal "transfer of sovereignty." But it's not clear that they'll really be able to.

And of course, the more fractured the rest of the country looks, the more incentive there is for the Kurds to say, "Hey, we've got our own shit together, you guys go ahead and fight, we're gonna do our thing." Meanwhile, the ramifications of a free Kurdish province -- much less a free Kurdish state -- on Kurds in Turkey and Syria remains to be seen.

And you look at this and wonder, how did any sane adult person ever think it was going to be easy?

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 06:56 (twenty-one years ago)

There is no military solution to this problem. Maybe things will get better after 30 June?

There's a possibility that US cmdrs are using violence as excuse to "take care of unfinished business." Don't be fooled by reports, this is MAINLY agression by US troops, not the other way around.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The "130" number is bogus btw

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

... so when is Paul Bremer shutting down the site that reported it?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a typo probably, the news is coming fast & furious, hard to know what to believe. Here's synopsis of Fallujah:

Marines and gunmen were engaged in heavy battles in the
Dubat neighborhood on the eastern side of Fallujah and in
other part in the center of the city, witnesses said. U.S.
warplanes opened fire on groups of Iraqis in the street.
Rocket-propelled grenade fire set a U.S. Humvee ablaze,
injuring soldiers inside, witnesses said.
Among the dead were 26 people - including 16 children and
up to eight women - killed when warplanes struck four
houses late Tuesday, said Hatem Samir, head of the clinic
at Fallujah Hospital. Others were killed in street battles
before dawn and into the day Wednesday.
Messages from mosque loudspeakers called for «jihad,» or
holy war. Some gunmen in the street were seen carrying
mortars, and some women carried automatic weapons.
Hundreds of U.S. Marines and Iraqi police have surrounded
fallujah, west of Baghdad, since Monday in a largescale
operation aimed at uprooting Sunni Arab guerrillas behind
attacks on Americans.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe things will get better after 30 June?

I have 30th June in my diary as the day everything goes completely tits up.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

If they insist on sticking to that date, which the bloke on the radio yesterday morning said they would (he was US, military? - didn't catch the beginning of the interview)

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Madchen we will be discussing this very question today on Leslie Riddoch. tune in at noon! i.e. is it just symbolic, and what will actually happen.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and of course the "tits upshot"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Al-Jazeera reports "fierce battles" in Al-Fallujah

Al-Jazeera TV's correspondent in Al-Fallujah reported
"fierce battles" in the Iraqi town on 7 April. In a live
broadcast from the town, correspondent Ahmad Mansur said
that there were unconfirmed reports that two US helicopters
had crashed in the area.

Battles had been continuing in several areas of the eastern
side for the last one and a half to two hours, the reporter
said, including Al-Askari quarter, Al-Dubbat quarter, the
industrial quarter and the Nazzal area. Mansur added that
"fierce battles are now taking place in the Julan area in
the northwest of the city".

There were unconfirmed reports of two US helicopters
crashing in the area, Mansur said.

"Eyewitnesses have confirmed to us that two US helicopters
crashed near Al-Anbar school. We are trying to confirm this
report and we sent some people to that place," he said.

US forces were engaged in a "real street fight" with the
"defenders of the city", Mansur commented.

"The US forces combed Al-Dubbat quarter and arrested some
people there. The people defending the city are trying to
repel the US attacks. They are firing rockets. The US forces
withdraw or retreat a little and then return. Dozens of
marines have entered some streets on foot in the industrial
area, the Al-Julan and Nazzal quarters," Mansur reported.

Commenting on the humanitarian situation in the town, Mansur
said there was a shortage of food supplies. People were
sticking together and were "determined to defend the city",
he added.

"The mosques are broadcasting calls of Allahu Akbar (Arabic:
God is Great) in all directions," the correspondent said.

"It is very difficult to move around in the city. Barricades
fill the streets. Smoke is rising from the industrial area
after many shops were hit. Some houses are on fire in the
areas around the industrial quarter," Mansur added.

"The people of Al-Fallujah are appealing to the
international community to intervene to end this siege on
300,000 civilians, mostly women and children," Mansur
reported.

Source: Al-Jazeera TV, Doha, in Arabic 0803 gmt 7 Apr 04

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Lesley Riddoch compered a heated debate at one of my conferences last year. She was very good and wore nice boots. Can't listen at work - will it be on Listen Again?

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I had to be on a feminism panel at the ICA with Leslie Riddoch once (she was an editor on the Scotsman who changed it to the Scotswoman on Int'l Women's Day). She was very cool but had fried-dyed hair. Good placement, Tracer!

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, when I typed that I thought 'I sound like Suzy' :)

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

suzy - what date was that ?

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

In '97 I think. I did a lot of things with Riot Grrrl before that and had just published an anthology of female writers. There are tons of reasons I get asked to be on these panels.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

ah - I remembered seeing LR in the ICA bar, but I think it would have been pre-95...
there was a discussion-panel at the ICA in (i think) '93 or '94 about women-in-music & some riot grrrl stuff - can remember the panel included Miki Berenyi of Lush, Debbie Smith(?) of Echobelly, the guitarist from Girlschool

were you at that ?

(apologies - this thread diversion will stop shortly)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that one - the RG thing I ran was at the end of '93 (though Debs and to a lesser extent Miki are mates, or have been). The woman who ran the Talks department at the time, Helena Reckitt, was really feminist and lovely, so she scheduled them all the time. I did my book launch there too, with readings from one K. Minogue and a mini Beth Orton gig.

Anyway.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I've found "Leslie Riddoch" really difficult to say.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Any reason?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Debs works in MVE in Notting Hill, so bring your promos to her and you might get an honest price for them.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe if I spelled it right it would be easier@@???

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all a brilliant move by the Americans to create unity between the Shiites and the Sunis in Iraq.

(Sorry, maybe humor does not belong on this thread.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

What are they going to do when they turn entire cities against them? Kill everybody in those cities?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

What do you think is happening in Fallujah.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Mosque hit by rocket fire from U.S.
helicopter, witnesses say. Bodies seen taken from the
scene. Witnesses estimate more than 40 dead, but no
confirmation. (AP)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Sadr aide says Iraqis capture coalition soldiers

BEIRUT, April 7 (Reuters) - A top aide to the militant Iraqi
cleric Moqtada al-Sadr said on Wednesday that his supporters had
captured a number of soldiers from the U.S.-led coalition during
clashes currently taking place across a large swathe of Iraq.
"Some tribes have captured some occupation forces on the
streets," Qays al-Khazali told a news conference in the Shi'ite
Muslim holy city of Najaf.
He gave no further details. The news conference was
broadcast by Lebanon's al-Manar television station, mouthpiece
of the Hizbollah group.
There was no immediate comment on the report from the
command of U.S.-led forces in Baghdad.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Only Murdoch papers reported the wrong numbers. Simply bad reporting or inflation designed to make 12 seem like not so much?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think assuming malice where incompetence is an obvious explanation is the road that leads to kookdom.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

word

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Rahul Mahajan's blog.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Excerpt from editorial "Turning point for the occupation",
published in English by Qatari newspaper Gulf Times web site
on 7 April

Well over 100 Iraqis have been killed and several hundreds
wounded in fighting that has raged across Iraq in the last
three days, from the central Sunni stronghold of Fallujah to
the Shi'i bastions of Najaf and Basra in the south. In
almost every major city, there have been serious clashes and
there are indications that the occupation has reached a
dangerous turning point. (Passage omitted)

As is often the case, the quarrel between Bremer and Al-Sadr
seems to suit both. Bremer engaged in repeated escalation of
his provocation - banning Al-Sadr's little newspaper,
arresting one of his aides and then announcing Al-Sadr's own
indictment. Al-Sadr responded in kind, with protests,
violent protest and then outright insurrection.

Bremer's aim - with both Fallujah and Al-Sadr - may be to
try to wipe out or neutralize the main centres of resistance
before pulling US troops back for the June 30 "sovereignty
transfer". Al-Sadr, meanwhile, can hope to reverse the
decline in his popularity by becoming the figurehead for
Shi'i resistance.

One of the two has miscalculated and will find himself in
very serious difficulties very soon. Al-Sadr may hope the
fighting will radicalize and unite the Shi'i population
behind him, while cooperation with the Sunni resistance
could exploit the shortage of coalition troops - military
experts have consistently warned that the occupation force
is far too small.

Bremer may expect there will be no great upsurge of Shi'i
support for the militant cleric, who is not widely popular,
that his Al-Mahdi's Army will quickly be destroyed or
captured and that Al-Sadr himself will be arrested - or even
killed -and prevented from engaging in any more inflammatory
activities. He will not have expected any Sunni-Shi'i
cooperation - the US has talked endlessly about the risk of
civil war - nor will he have expected any of his new Iraqi
forces to have defected to Sadr, as has reportedly happened
in some instances.

It is impossible to predict the outcome of this struggle.
The US has overwhelming military superiority but Al-Sadr
hopes to counter that with religious fervour and sheer
numbers. The tactics the US is using - escalation, besieging
cities, using helicopter gunships and tanks against
population areas - are reminiscent of failed Israeli
strategies. However, unlike Israel, the Americans have a
very short time in which to complete the "pacification".

Source: Gulf Times web site, Doha, in English 7 Apr 04

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

By BASSEM MROUE
FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - Militiaman loyal to an anti-U.S.
Shiite cleric controlled large swaths of three Iraqi cities
Thursday after clashes with U.S.-led coalition forces,
while U.S. Marines backed by airstrikes fought insurgents
for the second day around a mosque in the Sunni Muslim
stronghold of Fallujah.
Fighting this week has left 35 Americans and at least 459
Iraqis dead. This includes more than 280 Iraqis killed
since the Marines' siege against insurgents in Fallujah,
west of Baghdad, began early Monday said Taher Al-Issawi,
the director of the city's hospital.
At a time when U.S. forces had planned to try to hand more
security duties over to Iraqi security forces, the
intensified violence on two fronts - one Sunni, one Shiite
- has forced the U.S. military to consider sending more
troops to Iraq and to postpone the removal of forces due to
rotate out.
«You can be certain that if they want more troops, we
will sign deployment orders so that they'll have the troops
they need,» Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said at a
Pentagon news conference Wednesday, though he insisted
fighting was not spinning out of control.
The United States has about 135,000 troops in Iraq.
In Fallujah, Marines battled again around the Abdel-Aziz
al-Samarrai mosque, which Marine Capt. James Edge said
insurgents were again using as a base despite a six-hour
battle the day before to uproot them. Helicopters were
deployed to support the Marines, he said.
Capping Wednesday's battle, a U.S. Cobra helicopter fired
a missile at the base of the mosque's minaret, and an F-16
dropped a laser-guided bomb at the wall, allowing Marines
to move in and seize the site, Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said.
Military commanders in Iraq said a large number were
insurgents were killed in the battle. Iraqi witnesses said
some 40 people gathering for prayers were killed in the
airstrike on the mosque compound, but U.S. officials said
they had no report of civilians killed.
«I understand there was a large casualty toll taken by
the enemy,» said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the deputy chief
of military operations in Iraq.
He said U.S. Marines did not attack the mosque until it
became clear enemy fighters were inside and using it to
cover their attacks - nullifying the holy site's
protections under the Geneva Conventions.
The battle began Wednesday morning, when gunmen in the
mosque opened fire on an American patrol, wounding five
Marines, Byrne said.
Marines control 25 percent of Fallujah, a city of 200,000
people, Byrne said.
Heavy fighting was heard Thursday in several
neighborhoods, and U.S. Marines grabbed rooftops of
buildings, firing on gunmen in the streets and sometimes
civilians who poked their heads out of their homes.
Thousands of Iraqis marched the 60 kilometers (30 miles)
from Baghdad to Fallujah to deliver food and medical
supplies to its residents, under nighttime curfew and
surrounded by U.S. forces since early Monday morning. A
Sunni clerics committee organized the march.
Marchers - carrying colorful flags and banners reading,
«Sons of the great Fallujah, we are with you on the road
of jihad (holy war) and victory» - came upon the Marine
cordon on the western entrance to the city.
After searching the vehicles for weapons, the Marines
allowed two ambulances full of medical supplies, two
minibuses carrying vegetables and other food and a dozen
cars with Sunni clerics and officials to enter the city.
U.S. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, said fighting in Iraq came in two broad categories.
West of Baghdad in cities such as Fallujah and Ramadi -
where 12 Marines were killed Tuesday - the main opposition
is «former regime loyalists,» including supporters of
former president Saddam Hussein and anti-American foreign
fighters loyal to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian-born
terrorist believed linked to al-Qaida, he said.
The fighting in the south - which on Wednesday spread for
the first time to central Iraq - is waged by the Shiite
Al-Mahdi Army milita, which launched a wave of attacks
against coalition troops in southern cities and Baghdad
this week after U.S. authorities began a crackdown on its
leader, radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Overnight, al-Sadr militiamen battled with Polish troops
in the city of Karbala throughout the night and with
Spaniards in Diwaniya and Najaf. Nine Iraqis were killed in
Karbala, the Poles said.
In Baghdad, U.S. forces before dawn struck and damaged
al-Sadr's office in his main stronghold, the sprawling
Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City, residents said.
Rumsfeld discounted the strength of al-Sadr's militia.
«There's nothing like an army,» he said. «You have a
small number of terrorists and militias coupled with some
protests.» U.S. officials estimate al-Sadr's force at
about 3,000 fighters.
But the black-garbed gunmen of al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army
militia virtually controlled the Shiite southern cities of
Kut and Kufa and were in partial control of Najaf. Al-Sadr
fighters battled American troops in the town of Baqouba,
northeast of Baghdad - the farthest north that the Shiite
violence has reached.
After heavy fighting the night before, Ukrainian troops
pulled out of Kut on Wednesday, allowing militiamen to
flood into their base, grabbing weapons and planting their
flag.
U.S. commanders fear violence could escalate during the
religious ceremonies this weekend for al-Arbaeen, when
millions of pilgrims gather in Shiite cities to mark the
end of the mourning period for a 7th-century martyred
Shiite saint.
Al-Sadr - said to be holed up in his office in Najaf,
surrounded by gunmen - issued a statement saying Iraq would
become «another Vietnam» for the United States.
Al-Sadr and his militia are unpopular among most of Iraq's
Shiite majority, and there was no sign that the Shiite
public in the south was rallying to their side to launch a
wider uprising. But the week's fighting showed a strength
that few expected from the al-Mahdi Army.
The country's most respected Shiite leader, silent until
Wednesday, called for all sides to stop fighting.
«Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani condemned the methods used by
occupation forces in the current escalating situation in
Iraq... . We also condemn assaults on public and private
property, and any action that disturbs order and prevents
officials from carrying out their duties,» a statement
said.
The U.S.-appointed Governing Council condemned the
violence and denounced al-Sadr.
«For a small group to try and impose itself on the rest
of the people is absolutely rejected. If coalition forces
don't intervene to end this state of affairs, Iraq's
popular forces will intervene to stop it and rid the people
of it,» the council said in a statement.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"Five US military vehicles destroyed in a missile attack in
the area of Abu-Ghurayb (west Baghdad). US helicopters shell
the area," Al-Jazeera TV reported on 8 April, giving no
further detail.

Source: Al-Jazeera TV, Doha, in Arabic 0851 gmt 8 Apr 04

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

BAGHDAD, April 8 (Reuters) - U.S.-led coalition forces do
not have control of the cities of Najaf and Kut, where Shi'ite
militiamen have seized control of key buildings in the centre of
the towns, the top U.S. general in Iraq said on Thursday.

Lieutenant-General Ricardo Sanchez said coalition troops in
the cities -- who include Ukrainian and Spanish soldiers -- were
in their bases on the edge of the towns.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"MR. McCLELLAN: In St. Louis, the President looks forward to throwing out the opening day pitch for this game between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Milwaukee Brewers. Following the opening pitch, the President will also participate in a live interview with Fox Sports Midwest. And then he will also participate in an interview with Mike Shannon, who is the co-anchor for Cardinals baseball on KMOX. And then we go to Crawford for the rest of the week." - White House Press Conference, April 6, 2004

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"Arrest Warrant For Sadr 'Illegal': Iraqi Judges

By Aws Al-Sharqy, IOL Correspondent

BAGHDAD, April 7 (IslamOnline.net) – As the Iraqi Governing Council Wednesday, April 7, urged investigations into the American military use of "deliberate" force against civilians, the Iraqi Jurists Association said the arrest warrant against Shiite leader Muqtada Sadr is "illegal and based on a lie".

"The arrest warrant is illegal and incorrect, as the occupation forces issued it in disregard for sovereignty of Iraq's justice system," the Association said in a statement a copy of which was obtained by IslamOnline.net.

A U.S. military spokesman said two days ago the warrant had been issued "in the last several months" by an Iraqi judge investigating last April's murder of a pro-Western Shiite leader one year ago.

"What justice are you talking about? You have dismissed 170 justices of their offices and violated the independence of justice here," read the statement.

Iraqi Minister of Justice Abdel-Rahim Al-Shibly had told national press that he had not been aware of the arrest warrant against Sadr.

Sadr is known for his fiery speeches against U.S. occupation forces, calling for the continuum of resistance operations until ejecting them out of the oil-rich country.

U.S. civil administrator Paul Bremer had called Sadr an "outlaw", drawing counter-accusations from the Shiite leader's aides.

"If he means that Sayed Moqtada is an outlaw according to Sharia (Islamic law) and the laws we know, then Bremer knows nothing about these laws and it is he who violates these laws," said one aid.

"We reject all kinds of occupation and hegemony. Everything is going to be changed," he added.

Sadr said Tuesday, April 6, he ended his sit-in at a mosque in Kufa and traveled to the holy city of An-Najaf to prevent "more bloodshed".

'Unjustified'

In another related development, a number of the IGC members voiced outrage over the use of "unjustified" force against Iraqi civilians during the last four days.

Member Abdel-Karim Al-Mahmadawy threatened to resign if the U.S. occupation forces did not pull out of areas they are sealing off.

"There should be an investigation into force used by occupation forces against unarmed civilians," Mahmadawy said.

At least 52 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, were killed and some 100 others injured overnight in continued American bombardment of densely-populated areas in the besieged town of Fallujah.

The town had been sealed off at dawn Monday and U.S. troops were only letting cars with Fallujah license plates enter or leave the town.

Fallujah residents appealed to United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan and the international community to intervene and end the crippling U.S. blockade.

The U.S. occupation commanders have vowed a painful response after Iraqis killed four American security contractors in the city on Wednesday, March 31.

An Iraqi mob afterwards dragged their corpses through the streets and hanged two of them from a bridge in scenes that showed the depth of anti-occupation sentiment in the conflictive city.

Occupation forces also "deliberately used force and opened fire on peaceful demonstrators," said another council member, Ragaa Al-Khazey.

Shiite scholars have warned that U.S. troops of acting "irrationally" after up to 52 Iraqi protesters were killed on Sunday, April 4, in the worst confrontations between Iraq’s Shiite majority and the U.S.-led occupation troops sine the start of the invasion one year ago.

The protesters were denouncing the crushing of two fellowmen by a U.S. tank on Saturday, April 3, the arrest of Sadr’s top assistant Sheikh Mostafa Al-Yaqoubi and a ban on Al-Hawza newspaper, Sadr’s mouthpiece.

"We deem those fallen dead at the hands of occupation forces martyrs," said Abdel-Aziz Al-Hakim, the leader of the Supreme

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Arrest Warrant For Sadr 'Illegal': Iraqi Judges

By Aws Al-Sharqy, IOL Correspondent

BAGHDAD, April 7 (IslamOnline.net) – As the Iraqi Governing Council Wednesday, April 7, urged investigations into the American military use of "deliberate" force against civilians, the Iraqi Jurists Association said the arrest warrant against Shiite leader Muqtada Sadr is "illegal and based on a lie".

"The arrest warrant is illegal and incorrect, as the occupation forces issued it in disregard for sovereignty of Iraq's justice system," the Association said in a statement a copy of which was obtained by IslamOnline.net.

A U.S. military spokesman said two days ago the warrant had been issued "in the last several months" by an Iraqi judge investigating last April's murder of a pro-Western Shiite leader one year ago.

"What justice are you talking about? You have dismissed 170 justices of their offices and violated the independence of justice here," read the statement.

Iraqi Minister of Justice Abdel-Rahim Al-Shibly had told national press that he had not been aware of the arrest warrant against Sadr.

Sadr is known for his fiery speeches against U.S. occupation forces, calling for the continuum of resistance operations until ejecting them out of the oil-rich country.

U.S. civil administrator Paul Bremer had called Sadr an "outlaw", drawing counter-accusations from the Shiite leader's aides.

"If he means that Sayed Moqtada is an outlaw according to Sharia (Islamic law) and the laws we know, then Bremer knows nothing about these laws and it is he who violates these laws," said one aid.

"We reject all kinds of occupation and hegemony. Everything is going to be changed," he added.

Sadr said Tuesday, April 6, he ended his sit-in at a mosque in Kufa and traveled to the holy city of An-Najaf to prevent "more bloodshed".

'Unjustified'

In another related development, a number of the IGC members voiced outrage over the use of "unjustified" force against Iraqi civilians during the last four days.

Member Abdel-Karim Al-Mahmadawy threatened to resign if the U.S. occupation forces did not pull out of areas they are sealing off.

"There should be an investigation into force used by occupation forces against unarmed civilians," Mahmadawy said.

At least 52 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, were killed and some 100 others injured overnight in continued American bombardment of densely-populated areas in the besieged town of Fallujah.

The town had been sealed off at dawn Monday and U.S. troops were only letting cars with Fallujah license plates enter or leave the town.

Fallujah residents appealed to United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan and the international community to intervene and end the crippling U.S. blockade.

The U.S. occupation commanders have vowed a painful response after Iraqis killed four American security contractors in the city on Wednesday, March 31.

An Iraqi mob afterwards dragged their corpses through the streets and hanged two of them from a bridge in scenes that showed the depth of anti-occupation sentiment in the conflictive city.

Occupation forces also "deliberately used force and opened fire on peaceful demonstrators," said another council member, Ragaa Al-Khazey.

Shiite scholars have warned that U.S. troops of acting "irrationally" after up to 52 Iraqi protesters were killed on Sunday, April 4, in the worst confrontations between Iraq’s Shiite majority and the U.S.-led occupation troops sine the start of the invasion one year ago.

The protesters were denouncing the crushing of two fellowmen by a U.S. tank on Saturday, April 3, the arrest of Sadr’s top assistant Sheikh Mostafa Al-Yaqoubi and a ban on Al-Hawza newspaper, Sadr’s mouthpiece.

"We deem those fallen dead at the hands of occupation forces martyrs," said Abdel-Aziz Al-Hakim, the leader of the Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI).

Hakim said he had earlier warned against "closing papers and muzzling" people in the country.

The offensive on Fallujah coincided with deadly clashes between Shiites and U.S.-led occupation troops across the country, which killed at least 100 people and injured some 400 others.

'Military Solution'

Also Wednesday, the Islamic scholars association – the highest religious authority in the country, lashed out at the occupation forces.

"They insist on enforcing a military solution as if they are in facing an enemy in battleground not isolated civilians," Harith Al-Dari, the council's secretary general, said in a press conference.

"Occupation forces want to wreck havoc all over Iraq," Dari said.

A member of the council said at the opening of the conference that "Iraqis have waken up and realized conspiracies contrived against them".

"Ordinary people were killed, hospitals were paralyzed and mosques demolished by those criminal atheists," he said.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's see: 4 US "contractors" killed and how many Iraqis civilians killed since those US "civilians" were killed?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

This is looking less like Bush's Vietnam than Bush's Palestine

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Bloody hell. Someone's clearly working in a wire room.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah it's like crack

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Keep the tinfoil, baking soda and lighter AWAY from the monitor.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

My eyeballs are honestly going to drop out of my sockets soon but I can't. Stop. (And I'm actually not allowed to stop; if anything "big" I have to speak up)

Rockist Scientist, that's a great blog! Eyeitness accounts of the aid convoy/march; amazing!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer in finding out why serious journalists wind up doing so many drugs shocka!

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

IRAQI INTERIOR MINISTER NOURI BADRAN SAYS HE HAS RESIGNED
REUTERS

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I didn't mean to shout. I think it's the meth.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is Bush on vacation?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Easter overrides all priorities.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole administration is working hard to make this seem less serious than it is.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It's going to be very interesting times here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer Hand, his blog entries (with some modification) appear to turn up as articles later on, in various leftist places. He writes for Z Magazine, I think, possibly among other publications.

I've been staying up a little later than I should, going from one news-site/blog, whatever to another online. Fortunately, I have off tomorrow.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)


The valiant Crusaders are fighting in the name of Democracy this time,
but thankfully, God is still rooting for us.
Three cheers for the white man's burden! Hip hip hooray!
Convert 'em or kill 'em! USA!

P.S
Thanks to the Gomer Pyles running this country, we can look forward
to seeing _Black Hawk Down 2_ within a few years. Hoo-ah!

Oops, I'm not supporting the troops. After all, it's
clearly disloyal to try to stop their pointless injury & death.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

insert sarcasm tags.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "coalition" troops should just get out at this point. I haven't been totally comfortable with "U.S. out of Iraq now!" since Sadam was toppled, since throwing everything into chaos and then leaving seems irresponsible; but when resistance is widespread enough that the coatition forces are killing hundreds of Iraqis in the name of pacifying cities and rooting out "bad guys," I think it's better for them to just get out. I'm not sure it's possible for things to get any better while occupation forces remain, at this point.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 9 April 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Aljazeera, meanwhile, has learnt that during negotiations to end the military offensive, US forces imposed many conditions including getting the Aljazeera crew out of the town.

Nice.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

isn't it civil war already?

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Not really. The Iraqis are fighting the occupiers more than they are fighting each other, at least from what I can gather sitting at my desk here in Philadelphia.

*

It's all the Iranians' fault, obviously. They are stirring up the Shiias in Iraq. We'll have to topple Iran if we want this thing to work.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 9 April 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

One lieutenant, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: "Basically the situation has escalated since we rode into Fallujah. At first, the plan was to shake hands with the people and engage the enemy where we find him. But when we came in here, all we faced was the enemy."

Muslim American Society

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 9 April 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Abizaid requests more troops from Rumsfeld. Zakaria earlier wrote on Abizaid's view of the problem of a heavily American coalition.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"A battalion of the new Iraqi army refused to go to Fallujah earlier this week to support U.S. Marines battling for control of the city, senior U.S. Army officers here said, disclosing an incident that is casting new doubt on U.S. plans to transfer security matters to Iraqi forces."--from New York Times article I haven't finished reading.

I love this: the Iraqi army can't be trusted to handle security, because they are unwilling to participate in what has turned out (predictably?) to be the slaughter of civilians, and what is, either way, a suppression of an uprising against outside forces occupying Iraq. Should the Iraqi army not be a bit reluctant to kill other Iraqis?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

wanted to thank you rockist for the http://www.empirenotes.org/ link. bookmarked.

trying to focus on work but it's just impossible isn't it.

(Jon L), Monday, 12 April 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

That Iraqi battalion turned around after being shot at by other Iraqis. It has nothing to do with being "unwilling to participate in...the slaughter of civilians."

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 12 April 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"New Iraqi special forces join struggle in Fallujah"

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 12 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"A revolt within the military against Bush is brewing."

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 April 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)


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