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This afternoon, I bought a suit. Tonight I'm going to see the defuncting Divine Comedy say goodbye to London. After that, I'm going to Stay Beautiful to kick around with weedy pasty-faced Romos. Tomorrow, I'm going to see the Would-Be-Goods. On Sunday, I'm working in a library. In between all this, I'm writing an essay about the influence of the Grand Tour on taste in the eighteenth century.

This has got to be my foppiest weekend ever. What can I do to make it foppier? Are you a fop? Fops; Classic or Dud/Search and Destroy etc

― jamesmichaelward, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

do fops need money? If they do I am not a fop. I guess I dont dress well enough anyway. I'm a try hard.

I think you need to go to one of those gambling clubs tht Beau Brummell frequented. and purchase something lacey, for yourself.

― Menelaus Darcy, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

today i am waering a black suit with a linen shirt and a bright pink tie domino cufflinks. i will carry a black bag with a copy of a belgian fashion rag , some art papers and a compact disc player with momus playing . i will buy art today and on friday drink red wine at a party . on sunday instead of church i will go to the cinema . i went out for thai last night. i am going to vancouver and have managed to fiangle three invites to art openings. i buy flowers twice a week . i write poetry . i own a garlic press and alessi sugar cellars. my bed is brass . my favorite color is lilac but the walls of our apartment are key lime. I own a melon baller . i eat brunch . i have a wine rack . i wear bowties on occasion,cravats and rarely ascots. i spend 100s on books . i avoid shopping in supermarkets . i live beyond my meansd. i know the right names to drop. i live in an ivory tower. i listen to french pop and read obscure novels. i masdterbate to bruce le bruce and fuck to shirley bassey .

am a dandy or a fop ?

and i want to read james paper

― anthonyeaston, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wear eyeliner! Wear lace! Wear mauve! Scent yourself! Kiss people you'd normally only shake hands with! Walk in parks! Smell flowers! Read poetry! To yourself! To others! Be peevish! Be perverse!

This weekend is only a beginning!

― Will, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

actually I think I was getting fops and dandies confused. what exactly is the difference? I want to read the paper too. I could wow people in conversations with that topic

― Menelaus Darcy, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dandies = use of lace?

― Alan T, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi Menelaus

(btw - love your name!) In answer to your question...

Fop - 18th century - snuff, purple, lace, occasional wig, breeches. Beau Brummel, stupid but beautiful.

Dandy - late-19th century - absinthe, laudanum, opium, velvet, often moustache, cane(d), more literary (Baudelaire, Huysmans, Wilde even Proust!)

Both gay.

Theres a picture of Baron de Montesquieu in the Musee d'Orsay that illustrates 'dandy' perfectly.

― Will, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dandies are more cynical than fops, sometimes quite self-destructive, dandies are all about observing people and cutting them down with beautifully formed, heartlessly cruel aphorisms. Jules Laforgue is a good example of a dandy.

Fops are simple creatures, who just like pretty things and dressing nicely.

― jamesmichaelward, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that diet of Georgette Heyer books has been leading me astray! still, they are good for a laugh. I think that at some point during the weekend you should wear foundation several shades too pale and put a beauty spot on. Hell I think everyones life would be improved by those simple measures.

― Menelaus Darcy, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, fop more lace than dandy. who knew. So Jon pertwee = fop, and Patrick troughton = dandy. I always had it the other way round.

― Alan T, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So what you are saying is that Ramon is going as a dandy, NOT a fop on Halloween?

― Ally, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ramon couldn't carry off the fop look, no. A dandy, yes. A pimp, all too well, based on past photographic evidence you posted. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

now you listen here, that sort of comment is completely unacceptable, because it makes me laugh at work.

― Ally, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*Clearly* I am at fault. *throws self off cliff*

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well that's a bit dramatic innit.

― Ally, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Perfect for fops or dandies.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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